How come them stupid environmentalist wackos wouldn't let peoples

[Quixote1818]

clear out the worthless brush from millions of acres of vast, rigged, mountain and canyon wilderness in Califernia? All them fires are the environmentalist's fault. :dunce:


Look at this picture. It would be easy to clear out several million acres of this stuff:

[Buzz Clik]

1. I know that Michelle Malkin made that incredibly stupid comment, but...

... has anyone with a brain made such a claim?

Having been in California and witnessed minor fires and major landslides, only a totally deluded moron would assume that a) clearing the "wood" would be possible or b) if it were possible, someone would actually do such a thing -- without the brush, the hillsides erode.

[Toots]

18. Actually the Moron was Bush* and he established a policy of logging and clearing

in 2003 after the last major California fires. I think he named it the Healthy Forest Act or something similar. It basically was just a bone to the logging industry and it is completely obvious it did nothing to stop the California fires..

[Buzz Clik]

20. No argument from me except...

... back then, trees were actually burning in forests. This time, Malkin is simply repeating the same stuff in the wrong context and looking like an idiot.

[lonestarnot]

2. Well I guess they are cleared now,

or is bushitler werk'n on it? If not turn 'im loose.

[1620rock]

3. Insanity said the same thing on his hate radio show today.

[Quixote1818]

4. Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck said it too

I nearly spit out my cereal the first time Rush said it. These ass holes will say anything!

[porphyrian]

5. The non-stupid way to do it would be controlled burning.

We do it all the time here in the Southeast, and as a result, our wildfires are relatively easy to bring under control. The only problem we have is, with the droughts of the last few years, the burning was postponed in some areas, and those areas are where our worst wildfires broke out.

Anyway, I know that the logistics of making controlled burning in Southern California would have to be worked out (obviously, it can't be done while the Santa Anas are blowing), but it can't be more expensive to figure out a way to implement controlled burns there than it is to clean up the aftermath of those wildfires every year.

Controlled burning reduces the amount of fuel on the ground, turning it into nutrient-rich ash without killing off all of the living things. It also reduces the populations of pests.

[Quixote1818]

6. I would assume they do controlled burning in California

They do it in most of the Western states. Unfortunately one controlled burn got out of control near Los Alamos a few years ago and burned dozens if not hundreds of homes.

[porphyrian]

9. From what I've heard, they don't.

And a single incident of one getting out of control is no excuse for not making it a regular practice. It can't possibly be more costly than events like they've just had.

[Quixote1818]

11. According to my quick search on Google, they do have controlled burns in CA.

This is one of dozens of articles I came across:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21309147/

[porphyrian]

14. No, not simply allowing private property owners to burn...

...I'm talking about coordinated city, county and/or state programs to burn on public land as well as promotion of the practice on private land where significant fuel builds up, perhaps with a property tax incentive. It's quite obvious the majority of the fuel is not being burned off the land of Southern California, so don't act as if I'm being stupid.

[Clovis Sangrail]

16. can we assume you're stupid now?

there most certainly are coordinated city, county, and/or state programs for controlled burns in Ca.

had you actually used google as a previous poster had suggested you would have found this to be the case.


http://www.ci.santa-paula.ca.us/blog/2006/11/controlled-burns-scheduled.html

"Firefighting authorities will burn excess vegetation over a two-week period in the canyon areas west of Santa Paula and north of Foothill Road. The controlled burns start Monday. Burning combustible vegetation benefits the ecosystem and protects against wildfires, officials say.

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_991117.php

The point man on wildfires for the Cleveland National Forest spent Wednesday making public apologies for a blaze that scorched more than 6,600 acres in Orange County this week.

That’s because the fire most likely grew from remnants of a controlled burn in forest a week ago.

[porphyrian]

17. Look, I don't know who shat in your Wheaties, but it wasn't me, and I don't appreciate your 'tude.

You can assume whatever you like, but that doesn't make you any less fucking dense. I said that during the blowing of the Santa Anas is not the time to be doing controlled burns, and that if it were studied and coordinated properly, this shit wouldn't happen. I guess you were too busy worshiping Google to bother reading, but that's fine with me. I have no expectations from you, except that you stop being a dick.

[Clovis Sangrail]

21. look in the mirror "dude"

read upthread, you are the one with the "tude".

Let's recap:
- you said Ca doesn't do controlled burns.

- somebody replied that, yes, they do, and you can find the info on google.

- to which your snarky reply was:
"No, not simply allowing private property owners to burn...
I'm talking about coordinated city, county and/or state programs to burn on public land as well as promotion of the practice on private land where significant fuel builds up, perhaps with a property tax incentive. It's quite obvious the majority of the fuel is not being burned off the land of Southern California, so don't act as if I'm being stupid.

- my reply simply pointed out that, contrary to your aparently strongly held belief, Ca does engage in controlled burns on a govt level. And that you, in fact, may be considered stupid for not actually looking it up and continuing your rant anyways.

As for your expectations of me... why should I conform to your expectations?

[porphyrian]

22. You want to take this outside or something?

I wasn't being snarky, just because your shoulder chip and lack of comprehension told you I was.

I said that I've heard that California doesn't doesn't do controlled burns, not that I'm trying to prove it. And, it is obvious that they aren't doing them correctly if at all, regardless of what your internet search "proof" seems to indicate.

I don't care what you do, but back the fuck off.

[Clovis Sangrail]

23. too funny

are you a repub in hiding or something?
:rofl:

I ask because you:
- made a demonstrably incorrect statement
- got self righteous and indignant when it was mentioned you might be wrong
- ignored the proof that your statement was wrong
- when called on it again you changed your assertion to something else ("they're not doing it right")
- then you act as if finding information on the net, information that is from reputable sources, isn't real.

I do find it amusing that you think you can screw up and than just tell somebody to "back the fuck off"

[uppityperson]

7. They did. al Qaeda snuck it back in.

[tjwash]

8. HAH!

:rofl:

[begin_within]

10. Since the Normal Heights fire of June 30, 1985 and especially since the Cedar Fire of 2003

there have been periodic reminders in the media around San Diego to homeowners that they have to clear a 100-foot "defensible space" around their homes if they want their home to survive a wildland fire. Right after a big fire, this message is everywhere, and then it becomes just leaflets and brochures that you see in many places, but few people ever seem to read them. A lot of people apparently don't want to take the time and the considerable expense necessary to do the clearing.

[Quixote1818]

12. According to Glen Beck, the Environmentalists won't let people clear underbrush

around their homes. What complete BS! He is such a liar!

[MiniMe]

13. Just invite * over on his vacation. He loves to clear brush

[Rosemary2205]

15. WHY do they let that man touch power tools?

it'd be bad enough if he whacked of his own body parts but a guy like GW is the kind that is more likely to whack off other people's body parts through unsafe and incompetent use of said power tools.

Never give a coke head with fried brain syndrome a power tool.

[SammyWinstonJack]

19. ...

:spray: