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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:28 PM
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Finally, Action! Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Defend Constitution!
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 10:33 PM by steve2470
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/finally-action-ron-pau_b_69042.html


It's not every day that there is something concrete you can do to save democracy in one powerful stroke and make sure your kids don't come of age in an American in which we are no longer protected by the rule of law. I have been writing about the terrifying and precipitous assault on our liberties and our very system of checks and balances; I have crossed the country with this message -- today I am in Boston -- and I have heard across the nation that (as usual) the people are ahead of the leaders and the pundits. Americans of all backgrounds are alarmed and outraged and ready to take action against these vicious assaults on the rule of law. But what I hear again and again is: "What can we do?"

Here is what you can do, and it is big, big news. If we do this together in our millions we are safer; and if we fail to act we miss an historic opening and risk far worse to come.
<snip>

The big news is that this idea can now become a law and a law creates a reality.

On Monday, Rep. Ron Paul, the outsider Republican presidential candidate who has long upheld these values and who was an early voice warning of the grave danger to all of us of these abuses, introduced the AFA's legislative package into Congress. (The mainstream press has an irrational habit of disparaging outsider candidates -- as if corrupt money and machine endorsements equal seriousness of purpose -- even though the Founders hoped that the system they established would lead citizens, ideally those unembedded in the establishment, to offer their service to the nation.) It is the American Freedom Agenda Act of 2007 , and you should read it in its entirety: just as accounts of the recent abuses send chills down your spine, this beautifully argued document feels historic and has the ring of great power to correct great injustice.

<snip>

I am NOT a Ron Paul supporter, it was just part of the original headline. on edit: deleted part of original post to include bill information.

URL of bill:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-3835
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:38 PM
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1. I'm reading Naomi Wolf's new book right now, and its great.
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 10:38 PM by Heaven and Earth
It really helps me mentally organize all the different outrages against the Constitution, and it is a timely reminder to us all that discounting what is going on because it isn't happening to you is part of the mindset that fascists and proto-fascists want to impose on you.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:39 PM
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2. Bill who?
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:39 PM
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3. *rim shot* n/t
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Old Codger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:42 PM
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4. Be nice
If it happens, but I am a little sceptical for the most part. I get the feeling that the main reason the dems haven't gone after ol whatsits name is they want the powers to stay there for themselves. (color me doubtful)
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:55 AM
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19. They sure do! If they dug into the mess, they would chance...
losing the current power and it would also open a can of worms that would have people on both sides of the isle going down. I'm sorry but I don't believe that only one side of our government is insane and power hungry and that the other side doesn't see it or cant do or wont do anything about it. Not that all are bad but I would guess there are many on both sides.
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nightrider767 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:46 PM
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5. This is something we've all asked for.
Put a limit back on executive power.
Bring back writ of habeas corpus.

I like the legislation.
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:40 PM
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6. I do hope that he did this because it was right to do
rather than because he is running for the office of president. Although he may be a republicon, I don't see why he couldn't get support from dems on this effort and go on record as cosponcers. I do hope that anybody that sees a possible loophole that another asshole like bush or cheney and even an entire agency/branch of government could wreck havoc with, that they should advise their representative or the bill's originator of said loophole for an ammending of that bill.
Make no mistake here that I am a democrat and plan to vote for a democrat for president, but anybody who aligns themselves for the basics this country was founded on should have our ok on it and a show of unity on such matters of import.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 03:51 AM
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8. My sense of him is that he does what he thinks is the right thing to do, period,
(although I'm strongly opposed to a lot of his actions).
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 01:54 AM
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7. Wow....
just wow.

Short, sweet, and to the point.

I like it. It won't make me vote for Ron Paul, but I like it anyway. On this issue I can honestly say that his head seems to be screwed on right.

Q3JR4.
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Jennifer C Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 04:12 AM
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9. This is great!
Everyone needs to get behind this.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 06:41 AM
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10. He is a bigoted, anti-semitic Conservative yet......
He still is the best Repuke out there.

Sort of a sad commentary on the Righties huh?


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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 11:13 AM
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14. Anti-semitic? That's a pretty serious charge.
Let's see the proof.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 09:58 PM
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Here is a link.
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nightrider767 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:15 PM
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20. What's There?
Yes, AIPAC has way too much influence.

Like the other lobbies....

Is that anti-semetism?

No.


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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:11 AM
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25. He has not been proven to be anti-semitic. He is against the power of the Israeli
lobby. That's a big difference. This is just a correction and not anyway support for this man. His view of government could destroy our society.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 09:58 PM
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18. Dupe
Edited on Sun Oct-28-07 09:58 PM by sellitman
Double post
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:16 AM
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26. I've never seen anything that he's said that I thought could be construed
as anti-semititic, but he has KNOWINGLY taken money from the guy who owns Stormfront, and NOT returned it. There's no place more anti-semitic than Stormfront. And I have seen comments of his that are racist.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 06:44 AM
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11. Sad that no Dem could do this in the last year.
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nightrider767 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:17 PM
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21. Think about it....
:wtf:
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leaninglib Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 07:59 AM
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12. In order to defend The Constitution, you must know what it means.
Unfortunately, very few people in government, including Supreme Court justices, have a clue in that regard.
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kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 10:04 AM
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13. His job this election is to pander to us and take away votes from the real deals. n/t
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Spoonerian Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 12:19 PM
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15. I know, I MUST hold my nose and vote for the real deals!
Maybe the real deals will give me my bill of rights back this time. And if they don't as they didn't after the 2006 election, I'm sure they will in 2010, or if not then, then by 2012 for certain--right after the real deals start to "bring the troops home" (But by then, they won't be dismantling the 14 U.S/private mega-airbases in Iraq, of course. There will be NO talk of that--ever.)
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 12:28 PM
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16. Benjamin Franklin True Patriot Act (Introduced in House)
Keep trying...

HR 3171 IH
108th CONGRESS

snip from Thomas>>

"To provide for an appropriate review of recently enacted legislation relating to terrorism to assure that powers granted in it do not inappropriately undermine civil liberties...

Mr. KUCINICH (for himself, Mr. PAUL, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. GEORGE MILLER of California, Mr. SERRANO, Ms. SCHAKOWSKY, Ms. BALDWIN, Ms. SOLIS, Mr. HONDA, Ms. WOOLSEY, Mr. MCDERMOTT, Mrs. JONES of Ohio, Mr. MCGOVERN, Mr. ABERCROMBIE, Ms. LEE, Mr. STARK, Mr. FILNER, Mr. GRIJALVA, Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas, Mr. HINCHEY, and Mr. FARR) introduced the following bill;"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin_True_Patriot_Act

"The Benjamin Franklin True Patriot Act (H.R. 3171) is a bill introduced in the United States House of Representatives intended to review the previously passed USA PATRIOT Act..."
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 01:14 PM
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17. The Last Couple Of Paragraphs Deserves A Post Of Their Own !!!
We at the AFC are putting out a call to pass this set of laws. Pick up the phone -- every day. Email your representative -- every day. Let them hear from millions of Americans a day. Let them hear from twenty. Please play hardball -- the times demand it and nice girls and boys have managed to get this Congress to do literally nothing at all to protect liberty.

Congressmen and women say off the record that they can't support liberty, much as they'd like to, because they are scared of "looking soft on terror" and they want to run out the clock -- a naive and self-serving posture in a time of crisis. Make them more scared of you if they don't. Tell them you will bombard their donors with the message that they have sold out liberty. Tell them you will denounce them as traitors to the Constitution in your local and regional letters to the editor and op-eds. Tell them they are unpatriotic to stand by while liberty is disemboweled. Tell them you will stop at nothing to ensure their future defeat unless they support this and make it the law of the land.


Word!!!

:patriot:




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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:23 PM
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22. Yes.
It is a good bill. Ron Paul belongs to the conservative counterpart to the American Freedom Campaign which is called The American Freedom Agenda. I support the American Freedom Campaign, but also support this effort. I believe though, the next executive branch will determine if we return or not to the constitution and the rule of law. Chris Dodd said he will reinstate as much of it he can on the first day he would take office through executive order.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:41 PM
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23. One of the reasons I'M voting for Chris Dodd. n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:07 AM
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24. Great reason I must add.
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