If USA is so advanced - why weren't we first to have woman leader?

[Liberal_in_LA]

Israel
Britain
Canada
Phillipines
Poland
France
Ireland

now maybe Argentina AGAIN... if the US is so advanced why are we still wondering
if a women can lead? Why weren't we first? ????

[Xipe Totec]

1. Egypt, India, Germany... nt

[Liberal_in_LA]

2. Forgot about those... thanks.

[sutz12]

3. How about Paki-fucking-stan?

:shrug:

[Disturbed]

5. "If USA is so advanced."

Obviously the USA is not so advanced on a whole lot of issues, as well as this one.

[Liberal_in_LA]

9. Many americans assume we r the most advanced in so many areas - health, science, equality, education

[stirlingsliver]

20. They Are All Wrong

Every single American who believes that the USA is the most advanced in so many areas is wrong, wrong, WRONG!

People really beliee that the USA is advanced in health, science, equality, and education??!!!

Those people need to travel some more -- if their government will let them leave the USA.

[Canuckistanian]

22. Egypt?

I don't recall a woman leader of Egypt.

[Xipe Totec]

24. Cleopatra. Where have you been?

[Thothmes]

29. Hatsepshet, several centuries before Cleopatra, where have you been?

[Xipe Totec]

31. Sorry, didn't know we were looking for the first.

In which case, Sobeknefru preceeded Hatshepsut.

(Cleopatra is just the most easily recognizable).

In any case, my point is that Egypt had a female ruler long before other "more enlightened" countries.

[Thothmes]

38. good call

[BlueJazz]

4. Something tells me it has something to do with the Right-Wing ...

..Religous nuts expecting the Modern Woman to follow the Bible's bullshit. (About Women being inferior)

[Liberal_in_LA]

yes, and I think it goes beyond gender... bet person of race diff from majority has more chance outs

ide usa.

[cali]

6. Pakistan, India, Iceland, Nicaragua

Ireland, Liberia, Chile, the Phillipines, and many others.

[Liberal_in_LA]

8. And for USA it's a parade of white males (no offense white males!)

[WillyT]

7. We Ain't All That Advanced !!! -

:shrug:

[Benhurst]

10. France?

[Liberal_in_LA]

17. Read it on website I consulted when starting this thread. ???

Too lazy to go back and look again. If I read it on the internet it must be true.

[Benhurst]

23. I tried to think of one; but couldn't, not even a reigning queen.

I think if Ségolène Royal had been elected, she would have been the first.

[muriel_volestrangler]

33. They've had a female Prime Minister, but not President

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89dith_Cresson

[Benhurst]

42. Thanks.

:hi:

[DesertFlower]

11. chile's president Michelle Bachelet

is also an atheist and single mother. and chile is a catholic country.

[Ezlivin]

12. That's what makes us so advanced - we don't trust women

Gotta go, my wife's got some chores for me to do.

:)

[MannyGoldstein]

13. France?

What'd I miss?

[Bitwit1234]

14. Because the men in this country, contrary to what they say are sexist

My brother has been a democrat all his life. When Kathleen Kennedy Townsend ran for governor or Maryland he voted for a republican, because women didn't know how to run the state. I threw it up in his face day in and day out the mess Ehrlich made of the state of Maryland. Now he says Hillary is a woman and can't run the country...sexist sexist and it is the view of most of the butthole men in this country. They don't dare want to see a woman clean up the mess a man has made. AMEN.

[Make7]

15. It is disappointing when someone makes an overgeneralization...

... about an entire gender.

- Make7

[BlueJazz]

21. Yep...I totally agree with you. A large share of American men .....

...are scared to death that a Women might "Show them Up" which translates into...
"I'm so insecure of my Manhood that any competition is downright Scary!"

NOT the Men of DU (I Hope) :)

[Romulox]

39. Cop out. Women are the majority of the voters. nt

[Clark2008]

47. True, but only recently.

And this is the first year - ever - in which women voters have had the option of voting for a viable female candidate for president (needed to add in the "for president" part. :hi: )

[Romulox]

53. That is arguable (see my #50) and also beside the point: women are accountable for their votes

even if they are cast for a male candidate.

Female supporters of the Iraq War, for example, cannot insulate themselves from moral culpability by claiming they voted for a male pro-war candidate, for example: the underlying issue is support for war, not he candidate's gender, after all!

[Clark2008]

58. Yes, they are accountable for their votes, but my point

was a little less introspect.

I meant that after 87 years, this is the first presidential election in which a woman is a viable candidate.

Women really haven't had an opportunity to represent themselves prior to now (and with HRC, I'm not sure that they are still being represented - that's another issue).

[uppityperson]

16. USA isn't so advanced as far as sexism goes. eom.

[hfojvt]

18. Does Austria not count?

Maria Theresa was Queen there before the USA even existed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Theresa_of_Austria

So is there something "advanced" about having a woman leader or electing a woman leader? So electing a Margaret Thatcher is more "advanced" than electing an FDR? Riiiiiight.

[Thothmes]

30. Dont forget Cathrine the Great of Russia

[stirlingsliver]

19. The "If" Part Of Your Question....

Ummmm......

The "If" part of your question (If USA is so advanced) is bogus.

The USA is not advanced at all.

The USA was the last nation to rid itself of slavery.

The USA was one of the last nations to rid itself of legal segregation based on race (although de facto segregation still exists).

The USA does not have national health care.

The USA is NOT an advanced nation -- whatever made you think it was???

[Boojatta]

48. "The USA was the last nation to rid itself of slavery."

In 1962, then-King Faisal abolished slavery in Saudi Arabia by royal decree.

Source:
http://hrw.org/mideast/saudi/labor/

[Quantess]

25. Who said the USA is "so advanced"?

Fox News?

(edit to say: whoops, I forgot that if you even question that USA is not on top of the game, then you automatically hate America).

[tritsofme]

26. A majority of US voters are women

Apparently they have found adequate representation in the people chosen by them thus far.

[JTFrog]

27. There were women leaders before

our country was even formed. What is your point? How could we be first?

[SoCalDem]

28. We are only "advanced" because during WWII, we did not get the shit

bombed out of us, like most of the rest of the world did..

We believed our "own press", and rested on our laurels as the rest of the world recovered (largely with our help)... the rest of the developed world got new transit sytems, new infrastructure, new industries, and we twiddled our thumbs as we built up our entertainment system, and told everyone how great we are(were)..of course we never bothered to keep up with the world with our own industries..somewhere along the line, we decided it was cheaper to just let the factories rust and decay and just pay foreigners to do it..

We are no longer the "leader"..haven't been for a while now, and probably never will be again..except in the minds of the egomaniacs who run the place..

At the core of 'merika we are a paternalistic, uptight, greedy, racist society.. Men still control most of the assets and deep down, most of them would be perfectly happy if their "wimmin" were home cookin & cleanin & birthin' babies..

[Squatch]

32. Is having women leaders the benchmark for how advanced a country is?

:shrug:

[Romulox]

40. Yeah. Pakistan, e.g. is much "more advanced" than the US by virtue of having elected Bhutto...

Never mind the lack of a civil society! :eyes:

[Rabrrrrrr]

34. But we're not advanced - no women leaders, death penalty, high child death rate, uninsured people

we're everything the third world is trying to get out of being, and everything the fundamentalist Islamic states are.

We have more in common with the Taliban and poor countries than we do in common with Western, post-enlightenment-style countries.

[depakid]

35. Women have only been allowed to vote in America for 87 years

[Romulox]

41. Women have long been a majority of voters, so they are responsible for those policies too.

Every awful policy, from the War on Drugs to the War in Iraq have had loud support from women.

[Clark2008]

49. Not they haven't

They've only been the majority of voters since 2000.

[Romulox]

50. Link? According to this source, they have been since about 1980...

Men and women have registered in the same proportion since 1980. Because there are more women of voting age then men, women therefore have been the majority of the electorate for almost three decades.

At any rate, one might ask the question that if 7 years of electoral majority is not sufficient to take responsibility for the results of one's votes, just how long is required?

For six decades after women obtained the right to vote in 1920, they voted at lower rates than men. However, in the 1980 election women caught up with men, and according to U.S. Census data, in every subsequent election women have voted at an increasingly higher rate than men. In the 2000 elections, 56.2% of women reported voting, compared with 53.1% of men. Because women are a larger proportion of the population and vote at higher rates, about 7.8 million more women than men voted in the 2000 elections, and at least that many more women than men are likely to vote in 2004.

http://www.apsanet.org/content_5270.cfm

[Clark2008]

57. Looks like there's some discrepancies in sources:

For most of the presidential elections since women gained the right to vote, men have proved more likely to vote than women. In 1964, for example, 72 percent of voting-age males participated, versus only 67 percent of voting-age females. But by 1980, the two sexes had reached a statistical tie. Then women began to tip the balance the other way. By 2000, women led men: 56 percent to 53 percent.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0228/p04s01-ussc.html

[LeftishBrit]

36. Not to mention...

Norway, New Zealand, Germany, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and quite a few other places. If one's talking about countries in the pre-democratic era, we had a rather good female president (Elizabeth I) in the 16th century; and there were many other women leaders before that, all the way back to Hatshepsut, and I don't even know if she was the first!

I do think, however, that Britain could have done without Maggie Thatcher!

[flashl]

37. I believe this to be true

Impact of Racism aganist Women

A world that promotes the equality of women and men will lift much of the burden from women. Likewise a world free of racism will further lighten women's load. But the benefits extend even further. While women are the ones primarily affected when race and gender inequalities coincide, the human race as a whole is disadvantaged and its progress retarded by these injustices ... "As long as women are prevented from attaining their highest possibilities, so long will men be unable to achieve the greatness which might be theirs."

[Javaman]

43. technologically we are. Socially: we are still in caves. nt

[Blue_Tires]

44. ttt

[Beelzebud]

45. Because pounding on our chests proclaiming "We're Number 1", doesn't make us advanced.

[Toasterlad]

46. I'm Sure If America Knew That Having a Woman President Made Us Advanced, They'd Get Right On That.

I'm not sure myself where you're research is coming from, but I'll take you at you word that we need a woman in charge, or we're not advanced. But I'm still not voting for Hillary.

[Lex]

51. Newsflash: American not very advanced.

Never has been.

[MUSTANG_2004]

61. Actually, it usually is ahead of the curve. Or not far behind.

Back in 1789, there were plenty of countries that believed in free speech, freedom of religion and a government that derived it's authority from the individual citizens. Like, um, (crickets chirping...)

As far as women's rights, women got the right to vote in 1920. Compare that to 1928 for the UK, 1940 in Canada and 1944 for France.

Even today, the amount of freedom we have here in America compares favorably to any country in the world.

There are some areas where the U.S. lagged behind (slavery ended in 1865 vs 1838 for Great Britain and blacks had trouble voting in the deep south until the Voting Rights Act), but overall the U.S. has been a good place to be for those who believe in human rights and freedoms.

[EstimatedProphet]

52. Why should that be more or less advanced?

[NeedleCast]

54. I was not aware that the gender of your leader

applied to how advanced your country is. How does the math on that work?

[Romulox]

55. See Pakistan, e.g. nt

[tammywammy]

56. I don't equate gender with being an "advanced" nation

I don't vote based on someone genitalia.

[fedupfisherman]

59. Queen Elizabeth?

n/t

[mcscajun]

60. Answer: We're not as advanced as we'd like to think we are.

We haven't been, in many areas, for quite some time now. More's the pity. :(