History Channel: "The Lost Book of Nostradamus" declares OBL to be "the third anti-Christ"

[arendt]

Ever since the X-files started manipulating our attitudes, I have tracked what Jacques Ellul calls "deep sociological propaganda", especially UFO/occult stuff. This TV program started out as typical occult-like crapola, but after two interminable hours they finally showed their true colors. (I had it on in a side-window as I was web surfing - can't watch that mindrot by itself.)

The program was based on some obscure manuscript that just surfaced at an auction, which the "experts" claimed was really some writing by Nostradamus that had been lost "until just the right moment". (But even their so-called scientific experts were forced to report that the book was not in Nostradamus's handwriting and that the last page had been added well after his death.)

They recited the usual cant that Nostradamus had "prophesied" the coming of Napoleon and Hitler, and that, with the "clues" in this lost manuscript, they were now in a position to identify Osama Bin Laden as the third anti-Christ. Oh, and also, this book showed that our "current timeline" was one of the "darker" ones that Nostradamus had seen - this timeline led to the Apocalypse, with no way out.

OBL, Apocalypse. Lather, rinse, repeat. How bloody convenient.

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Clearly the History Channel is part of "the mighty Wurlitzer" drumbeating us to our very own Final Solution. Nostradamus looked at today and decided OBL was a bigger anti-Christ than George W. Bush? Oh, please!

The History Channel should do a little historical research. The British used this astrologer's prophecy shtick against the Nazis in World War 2. Who knows if it worked? But, the modus operandi is so clear:

"One of (an agent's) jobs was to get the astrologer Luis de Wohl launched on his new career...to shake public confidence in Hitler...de Wohl said Hitler's horoscope showed the planet Neptune in the house of death...a statement by the prominent (Egyptian) soothsayer Sheikh Youssef Afifi: "Four months hence a red planet wil appear in the eastern horizon. A dangerous evildoer who had drenched the world in blood will die."...Such stories were echoed by muezzins from their minarets in Malaya, the Chinese in their temples in Hong Kong, and wherever else British propaganda warfare could orchestrate prophecies that would confirm de Wohl's eminence in his field...The AP carried reports of the annual convention of the American Federation of Scientific Astrologers. They agreed the Fuhrer's star was setting. It would have been odd if they said anything else, since the Federation was a BSC (British Security Coordination) creation.

- William Stevenson "A Man Called Intrepid"

And I thought the History Channel (a.k.a. the WW2 channel) had some shred of impartiality. Not in Bush's Amerika.

arendt

[shadowknows69]

1. Thank Gods he's probably dead in a cave somewhere

Maybe "Righteous George" should step up that search then if the Big N-Man decreed he was going to end all civilization on us. I still vote for W as 3rd anti-christ. Thought it was Reagan but who knew?

[babylonsister]

They have no clue who Nostradamus was talking about. For my money,

I'd say GWB is a helluva lot more dangerous than OBL ever thought about being. Compare the evidence; under whose watch have more people been killed and brutalized? I rest my case. :party:

[arendt]

9. I don't even buy into the frame that this is really Nostradamus's writing. Just propaganda. n/t

[asthmaticeog]

2. *yaaaaawwwwwnnnnn*

[arendt]

5. Somebody paid real money (probably your tax $) for this propaganda. Keep snoozing. n/t

[asthmaticeog]

24. Evidence in support of your implication that the History Channel is govenrnment funded, please?

Failing that, any evidence that my tax dollars were spent on this would be fine. I don't give a whisper of a fart how much private money people spend on convincing credulous dumbfuck woowoos of preposterous things. They're beyond help anyway, let 'em have their crystals, crop circles and Christs if it makes them happy.

Edited to add: evidence of DIRECT government funding - no tortuous crap about "GE owns NBC which partly owns A&E which owns the History Channel, and GE gets tax dollars by selling military equipment to the government." By that logic, "Chuck" is taxpayer funded.

[semillama]

36. I find it more likely that instead of government propoganda

it's just a show marketed to titillate the beliefs of people who take Nostradamus seriously. Someone may have done some market research and found that a show claiming "Nostradamus predicted OBL as 3rd anti-christ" would appeal to a certain segment of the History Channel's viewership.

I always ask myself this question about stuff like this: Is it more likely to be a government bureaucracy manipulating the masses through media, or a media corporation exploiting the masses to make a buck?

I think that usually it's the latter, although recent events have shown that a combination of the two unfortunately is more than possible.

[asthmaticeog]

48. I agree.

Some people have a seemingly unshakable will to see conspiracy everywhere, even when Occam's razor shows us that "stupid" is a much better explanation.

[IsItJustMe]

26. I find it interesting. Go back to sleep with the rest of the sheep.

[asthmaticeog]

27. I'm not sleeping. Just bored. nt

[JoDog]

32. No kidding

I actually fell asleep about halfway through this show.

Those so-called "illustrations" that were in the manuscript looked for all the world like cards from the Major Arcana of the Tarot. As they presented the watercolors and what they supposedly represented, I mentally ticked them off: The Tower, The Hierophant, The Wheel of Fortune, Temperance, Strength, etc.

It looked like to me some 16th century occultist/alchemist's notebook and nothing else.

The truth is, almost every generation predicts and presumes the end of the world in there own time. It's a combination of lack of faith in the future and a certain amount of egoism--"we're the best, the cumulation of society, so we must be the last."

[WinkyDink]

3. Funny, I could swear it's Bush. LINK:

And he didn't go to Texas:

[Sanity Claws]

4. Ambus -- Osama + Bush

There was another show on Notradamus just before that and I have kind of combined the two in mind but somewhere in the two shows, one interviewee said that Ambus (the third Anti-Christ) is a combination of Osama and Bush. It's a situation where we can't tell good from evil.

[ProfessorGAC]

23. It's Mabus

OsaMABUSh. I saw that show too. That's how they showed it on the screen.
The Professor

[KharmaTrain]

6. I Remember When The History Channel Had REAL History

Seems like every night they have some biblical or paranormal theme. There especially appears to be a fixation with Armegeddon and a good doseage of theology thrown in as "history fact". It almost makes me miss the fascist drill instructor. These days, if I'm watching a History Channel, it's History International...and even then these shows seep in.

[LibDemAlways]

38. I know a guy who works for a production company that

develops programming for the History Channel. I once gave him a short course in PNAC and suggested it would be a good topic for a documentary - how the neocons got us into Iraq and their plan for an American take-over of the Middle East. He said it would never happen. History channel is owned by GE, Disney, and Hearst Corp. - none of which have any interest in providing accurate, informative info to the public.

[tabasco]

45. You can always switch over to the other disaster channels.

Discovery and TLC.

DOOM-DESTRUCTION-KILLER COMETS-THE END IS NIGH!!!

[hatrack]

7. ZZZZZZZZZZZZ . . . .

Man, talk about the Thousand Typing Monkey Theory.

[arendt]

12. Go read Jacques Ellul or any student of propaganda on how seemingly trivial BS like this works. n/t

[Ian David]

8. Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities- Voltaire

[C_U_L8R]

10. oh that's just silly

Makes as much sense as Bizarro World Superman. Geesh.

We're just stuck on stupid, aren't we?

[arendt]

13. Well, TV is intent on keeping us "stuck on stupid". That's for sure. n/t

[Pawel K]

11. I love the history channel, turned this on for a while last night

it was absolute crap. All the specials they had on Nostradamus before clearly called out the bullshit hype in all of it, why they didn't do this here is unbelievable.

But I have a really hard time Bush was behind this.

[Lex]

14. Nostradamus? Strictly for entertainment purposes

if one is easily entertained.

[Eurobabe]

15. Make that the 5th, behind Bush #3, and Cheney #4 anitchrists, respectively n/t

[AllegroRondo]

16. In 1991, the same type of shows called Saddam the 3rd anti-christ

all in the run-up to the first gulf war. I remember a Nostradamus show hosted by Jonathan Frakes that went heavily in that direction. At that time, the end of the world was supposed to be 1999.

[SpiralHawk]

17. "How conveeeeeeeenient." - Commander AWOL

[Benhurst]

18. How strange. Pope John Paul II thought it was George W. Bush.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_9_27/ai_108881880

[fasttense]

19. I saw a part of it, but when they kept pushing Osama as one of

anti-christs, and not bush, I figured it was nothing but propaganda. Didn't Hitler get someone to make up quotes from Nostradamus to show he was destined to rule the world? Maybe this new text was the one that was made up by Hitler's minions.

[Blue_Tires]

20. a few years ago, weren't they saying it was saddam? nt

[ToeBot]

21. And a few years ago, Nostradamus 'scholars' argued Saddam Hussein was the 3rd anti-christ...

and before than it was Muammar al-Gaddafi and Ruhollah Khomeini. That's the thing about prophecy, it means what ever you want it to.

[bullimiami]

22. if nostradamus viewed this time in history and saw obl as antichrist and bush as something less

that would blow his credibility right out for me.

:)

[BB1]

28. What credibility?

As a European, Nostradamus hasn't all that much attraction. Damn fairytales keep poppin' up everytime some-one invents a new religion. The bible has its share of fortune-tellers, Nostradamus wrote some poems that are multi-interpretable over a lentgth of time of hundreds of years (yeah right, we can't even do the weather for more than five meagre days). If you were to believe all that crap, and live accordingly... you'd vote for Bush.

Why air it?
Why watch it?
How to reach help if you did any of the above?
There's a new market out there for DU'ers to provide mental help to those caught in the webs of lies spun by the mediaspiders: "Take the red pill, and UNPLUG!"

[bullimiami]

49. what credibility? exactly.

[Mutineer]

25. It's just a t.v. show.

Lighten up. How many people do you think actually saw it? And of those how many do you think actually believed it? Not everything is part of some massive conspiracy. I think you're overreacting and overreaching on this one.

[Junkdrawer]

29. Did you see it? I saw parts and the parts I saw were VERY much propaganda. n/t

[Oilwellian]

30. In their previous Nostradamus shows...

the anti-christ will come from Persia (Iran) and before his reign of terror begins, he travels to France wearing a blue turban. OBL is from Saudi Arabia. Oops.

It's my understanding the History Channel is owned by a rightwing fundie. I don't recall where I read that but it certainly explains their increased reporting on fire and brimstone.

[Junkdrawer]

35. Looks like Rupert Murdoch...

Launched in January 1995, the channel is owned by A&E joint venture (Hearst, Disney, NBC) and Sky News Corp. and operates, in various forms, in the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain, Italy and Latin America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_Channel

News Corporation was created in 1980 by Rupert Murdoch as a holding company for News Limited.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corporation

[MarianJack]

31. History Channel used to be pretty good.

There were a few months in the mid-90s when I wouldn't miss "Civil War Journal" and a few other shows.

It seems to have become mostly sensationalistic crap with the frequent seasoning of pro-war & pro-rethuglican propaganda.

YUCK!

[deutsey]

33. What nonsense...everyone knows that the Bible Code is the only true predictor of future events.

:sarcasm:

[nealmhughes]

34. Balderdash! It is from the livers of sacrificial victims and birds flights, everyone knows that is

how true augury works! With an occasional tea leaf reading and direct revelation from the Great One on Kolob!

[deutsey]

37. Superstitious claptrap! The Bible Code utilizes COMPUTERS so it must be scientific, see?

Livers, indeed...

[Javaman]

39. Nostreldomis, the man who smelled the future! "somthings in the wind!" nt

[Arugula Latte]

40. Shouldn't that be the "Fantasy Channel"?

:eyes:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

41. At least they had a show on something other than WWII. n/t

[ShortnFiery]

42. Travel outside of the good ole' propagandized M$M bubble within the USA, and you'll

discover just how much we've been lied to by those who have "hidden agendas" to serve. :scared:

[MiniMe]

43. Nostrodamus made vague predictions

You could take his predictions and fit them into almost any time period. Its just like a good fortune teller, they never give specifics, just generalities, so you can fit it into whatever happens in your life and you think the prediction came true.

[Beelzebud]

44. The History Channel is such a let down...

Lately here all they show is pseudo-scientific bullshit.. UFOs, The History of Bigfoot, and this Nostradumbass crap.

[tabasco]

46. Truly.

They do have some decent shows but WAY too much of the crap like you mentioned.

Part of the dumbing down of America.

[bbgrunt]

47. yes--I saw that piece of propaganda and

I think you are exactly correct. It is definitely a piece of crap crafted for those with very little ability to critically evaluate information. I especially liked your characterization: "Clearly the History Channel is part of "the mighty Wurlitzer" drumbeating us to our very own Final Solution."

....in the tension between faith and physical reality, they slip in the shiv. It is certainly easy for people to denounce all belief as total crap, but these days it is becoming more and more difficult to believe we can, as a species, sustain our existence much less progress without some understanding of a higher purpose to our existence. To declare that urge as b.s. is missing the point. The point being that this desire is as real as sex--it will not be denied....and this kind of propaganda is deep background for all those who want to believe in something. Very insidious.

[tom_paine]

50. You actually still thought the Bushistory Channel had some validity left?

I guess you missed being informed that:

James Madison was just like Bush
The War of 1812 had anti-War Democrats against Republcians who stood fast (Madison, of course was a founder of the Democratic Party, which makes this particular lie heienous)
Ulysses Grant fough a War on Terrr against the KKK.
The KKK was the terrorist wing of the Democrat Party.
George Washington used to primp himself up before public appearences, just like Bush and the Tailhook landing.

More, much more...they frequently compare things (favorable PR only, natch) to Bushler or use Bushler terminology to describe great historical figures.

It's creepy, but probably no more creepy than watching nazi Hitler-worship stretchh into every corner and cranny of life. It what totalitarians like Bushies and Nazis do.

I happen to like the History Channel, and can;t stop watching it and I try to remember that it isn't Soviet-style Bushiganda, but there is so much of it, particularly in the framing as well as the programming choices which seem to be 100% coincidental with whatever feel the Bushies are trying to foster among Amerikan Fat White Man Subjects.

This month is FEAR and the End of the World. When the Royal Bushies are ready to nuke Iran in the spring, mostlikely, we will know by the History Channel's carpet-bombing our minds with Bushie "attack Iran" shows.

Oh, and I checked and I am certainly FAR from the only one who has noticed this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1660648

[arendt]

51. It is the beginning of the Orwellian/Soviet washing of history..."

Missed your thread back in August. That's a scary point.

Jesus - another info channel that has been corrupted. Its hard enough to keep up when you are informed and sceptical. As you point out, the skewing is subtle at first - something you could blow off as just a mistake. But when the same mistake keeps happening, that is way to much "coincidence".

But, as you say, the uninformed will lap up this poison in their daily ration of dog food.

arendt

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. Well they didn't mention MABUS

aka Osama and Bush...

Now that is a likely one.

If you believe in such things... after all the Jewish tradition does not have this antichrist thingy if you know what I mean

[TrogL]

53. Don't be silly - I am the Antichrist

[Rex]

54. 10% of the time The History(ha) Channel shows factual events

as best we know they unfolded, the other 90% is the history of religious militarism.