52% Support U.S. Military Strike Against Iran

[Postman]

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1379

[BayouBengal07]

1. Here we go again...

Third time's the charm, eh?

[me9399]

89. don't these idiots understand....

that if we atack Iran with a nuke, humanity is finished?

Btw, I heard one of those idiots call into Lionel yesterday.

[MethuenProgressive]

90. 52%? Expect Obama to be back in favor of it by debate time.

:rofl:

[hvn_nbr_2]

96. In a weird sort of way, this actually shows progress

I've said for decades now that 80-90% of Americans will support any war anywhere any time for any reason or for no reason at all, until they get tired of cost or casualties. For a long time now, all that any president had to do to boost his popularity ratings was to invade a small country.

At the start of the Iraq war, that core support for any war anywhere was down to about 70%. Now it's down to 52%; however, if Dimbulb and Darth do attack Iran, I'm sure the number will jump up because the American public loves to see TV images of things blowing up and to wave a finger in the air, shouting "We're number one."

I figure that a couple more disastrous wars might get the core support down below half. Seeing family and friends coming home disabled or in body bags takes a lot of the pleasure out of waving a finger in the air. Of course, a couple more disastrous wars might end our superpower status as well as wipe out whatever international goodwill remains. But that's apparently what it takes for people to learn. After all, how many centuries of disastrous wars did it take for Europeans to get a clue?

[atreides1]

2. Damn Idiots

Every single one of them.

[and-justice-for-all]

3. WHAT!!!

:mad:

[bdamomma]

4. what the hell?? what is wrong with people? do they know

the consequences of this action? cause we will not be immuned from anything, god, what is wrong with people. 52% fucked up people, is that percentage for real?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

5. Who makes up that 52%? The lower end of the bell curve? nt

[kysrsoze]

75. Oh, no. They're moving to the right on the bell curve. WATCH IDIOCRACY

The day after you watch it, you will find it simultaneously funny and completely disturbing, because it predicted exactly what's starting to happen. It'll make you giggle and scare the sh*t out of you at the same time.

[distantearlywarning]

6. That's very difficult to believe.

I don't know ANYONE who thinks that's a good idea.

[Postman]

8. I didn't make it up. It's Zogby. Isn't he a respectable source?

eom

[distantearlywarning]

10. Yes, generally.

I guess I'm just in denial about this shocking number.

If this is true, it's scary. Stop the planet, I want to get off! :scared:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

22. We have a very illiterate, emotionally ill population. nt

[CoffeeCat]

86. The sad truth...

...is that the neocon PR machine has made war "the new normal."

Americans are now accustomed to war being in the background of their
lives; and most of them believe that the consequences of war are relatively minor.

They've pretty much blocked out the images of war, by embedding reporters--which
controls the message and serves up a sanitized version of bedlam. We aren't even
allowed to see soldiers' caskets returning from Iraq.

The Iraq war is the prettiest war the United States has never seen.

Most people don't understand the destruction and suffering we've caused over there.

As a former PR executive, I sadly say that the neocons have this entire country over
a barrel. They are skilled masters at re-defining reality, marketing that reality,
and positioning detractors as unAmerican scum.

The only hope for this country is that at least one of our politicians or government
officials shows up for work and decides to expose these neocon thugs for who they are.
I don't see anyone in government stepping up to the plate. Every time a Democrat does,
they either apologize or they're censured for speaking the truth.

[FREEWILL56]

59. If that is true you won't have to have the planet stopped to get off,

you might get blown off. Personally, I think people are starting to lose their common sense if they ever had it and the sight of what is right. It should be put into a perspective as if they had a survey of those that pick their noses in public and it was 68% feel it's ok does that make it ok to pick your nose in public? This is more serious than picking your nose though and people must not have a concept of what they are oking.

[OzarkDem]

52. No, not always

He's taken money to distort polls before.

[MikeNearMcChord]

7. Fox Noise should be declared a Public Health nuisance

The 52% had to to come from them.

[Postman]

9. Zogby.

check out the link above.

[MikeNearMcChord]

18. Yes I know it came from Zogby

But the responders, must be serious Fox news watchers.

[proud2BlibKansan]

57. I am one of the ones they polled on this particular question

and I can guarantee you I rarely watch Fox News.

[FREEWILL56]

62. So are you saying you favor military action against Iran?

Even if they are pursuing for weapons they can't use it anymore than anybody else could without the retribution and annihilation that comes with that use. Furthermore, we are not the only ones who will get involved with this as the Soviets have said backoff with those kinds of threats that are coming from bush. Many aren't aware of the nuclear bullying bush does and that he's planning to put nukes in Poland under the guise of protecting the middle east. :wow: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :scared:

[proud2BlibKansan]

68. Of course not

I am just saying I was polled. I do Zogby polls.

[TahitiNut]

11. Like I say, we've become a nation of cowards and outlaws.

Case closed. :shrug:

[Junkdrawer]

12. Push Poll: "would support a U.S. military strike to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon"...

Loaded Question.

[Postman]

15. Good point.

but isn't that the issue that Bush and the rest of the crazies have been pushing?

[Junkdrawer]

19. ...and all the UN inspectors say isn't happening....

Repeat a lie long enough...

[Postman]

21. Apparantly not enough Americans have seen El Baradai say its BS

eom

[Hamlette]

74. The push poll for Iraq was: "If the UN agrees to invade Iraq to get WMD should US join?"

in the fall of 2000...after the results of "Should we invade Iraq" (in answer to the poll about joining the UN) were reported over and over as 60+ %, Americans joined in. By Spring of 2001, when it seemed inevitable and to answer no meant you were disloyal, Americans were supporting the war even with the UN part of the question dropped.

Colin Powell and Tony Blair got us into Iraq. Bush and Cheney seemed like mad men but Blair and Powell seemed reasonable. Who will it be this time?

[Islander Expat]

84. You're right,!

They wanted the "yes" answer. How they got it was fraudulent.

[bdamomma]

13. this is just sick, really sick, who are those 52% ???????????

[Amonester]

61. I would venture to say 1st: the 24% who still approve of king chimpy

(gotta wonder from which f**k*d up planet, or solar system, they came from)

2nd: that leaves out 28% who disapprove of king awol, but stick to "the center"... (or "the center-right")

(and my guess is there must be more Rs than Ds in that remaining 28%, and the LIEberman types)

[BayouBengal07]

14. It's interesting

how "organic" this opinion is. It's like it has just bloomed over the last few weeks out of nowhere. What gave people the idea that all of a sudden, now that the US has been stuck occupying two Muslim Middle Eastern countries for 6 and 4 years, that it's time to go into another one?

Are we guaranteed to stop at limited strategic airstrikes? Is the US public and the army ready for an invasion of a giant, rugged industrialized country full of millions of fairly Westernized, yet highly proud people? Are our soldiers and the civilians in Iraq ready for retaliatory strikes? Are Israel and Lebanon prepared to face a whipped up Hezbullah? Are the American people ready for $100+ barrels of oil?

Everything about this just screams bad idea.

[Postman]

17. Didn't stop 'em before...

don't let "facts" get in the way...

[Disturbed]

27. Most Americans are real ignorant.

That is not saying that most are stupid. If the Corp. Media broadcast some of the highlights
of the 8 yr. Iraq/Iran War the American population would have the info about how Iran responds
to being attacked & to what lengths their population will go to defend their country. A War with Iran
would be a monumental disaster for America, destruction, lost lives & economic. How even 50% of Americans can even consider this is alarming & sad.

[patrice]

16. Proof that most people think whatever they're told to think. nt

[rAVES]

20. What a disgraceful Number....

[baldguy]

23. Who are these people?

I've got a friend in Nigeria who wants to send them emails.

[FREEWILL56]

63. Anthrax emails?

[baldguy]

67. I was thinking more along the lines of the "Nigerian Email" scam.

"I've got $10 million to move from my crappy Nigerian bank to a real bank in the US. If you give me your bank account number so I can move it, I'll give you $200,000."

These morans would be prime candidates.

[lonestarnot]

93. Plum Island must have cooked up another batch.

[tjwash]

24. No draft. No sacrifice. No war tax. No real coverage by the MSN any more.

I'm surprised the number isn't higher than it is, considering the ignorance of the average American. The only reason that the polls are low on the Iraq debacle is that it is a complete mess. Most people (outside of political and news junkies like us here at DU), look at the Iraq quagmire as a football or a hockey game that we are losing, and not the nightmare that is going to haunt us for decades to come that it is. It's just not affecting them personally. At all. Joe Fox-News watcher just wants to go and play the next game ignorantly thinking that we are gonna win this one.

[FREEWILL56]

64. Remember bush told them to look at it in a similar fashion and

to just go about their everyday business of going to the malls and such. Do not bother to educate yourself on the real horrors or facts of war as the great decider decided you aren't to know.

[Junkdrawer]

25. CNN Poll: 68% OPPOSE attack on Iran:

"If the U.S. government decides to take military action in Iran, would you favor or oppose it?"

.

Favor Oppose Unsure .

% % % .

10/12-14/07
29 68 4 .

5/4-6/07
33 63 4 .

1/19-21/07
26 68 6



http://www.pollingreport.com/iran.htm

[bdamomma]

30. the media is no better promoting another invasion, is this what

people except now this pre emptive shit, we have to get them before they get us???? this is total BS, the IAEA said this would throw us in the abyss. sickening.

[Postman]

32. I tend to believe most people are against more war...

I'm not so sure about this Zogby poll....

[Junkdrawer]

36. It's all about what questions you ask and in what order...

I read these polls like this:

The public doesn't want another war, but if you can convince them that Iran is just on the verge of gaining a Nuke, well then they can be scared into grudging support.

And, as you said upthread, the scare headlines get maximum play and the actual inspection results are buried.

Just like Iraq.

[Union Thug]

49. I wouldn't support war even if Iran did develop a nuke.

Once the US, Israel, Pakistan, India and all the rest give up theirs, perhaps the hypocrites in the imperial thrones will have a leg to stand on. Until then, they can shut the fuck up. Nukes in Bush/Cheney's hands are no more comforting than being in the hands any of the Iranian Mullahs.

[brazos121200]

26. And 41% of the Democrats questioned in this poll supported a strike.

[liberalmuse]

28. Jesus F. Christ!!!!!

How can so many Americans be so evil??? I knew it was going to get bad under this Asshole, but I didn't think my fellow Americans would turn fucking Nazi. And we also hear today that some people are immune from prosecution for cold-blooded murder. I'm at my wit's end. Fuck Blackwater. Fuck Bush. Fuck every idiot American who supports this evil. I never thought I'd live to see anything this disgusting in my lifetime.

[NNN0LHI]

29. What would you be thinking if you were an Iranian man or woman with little kids reading this?

Think about it.

Don

[Postman]

31. I think I'd be wishing the crazies on all sides would go away.

eom

[bdamomma]

34. bombing and killing people for their oil resources, Cheney is

sick SOB, and he was in NY today apparently spending the day shooting? hey dick shooting again huh?

[1monster]

33. One word

BULL

On edit: A few more words.

I simply do not believe this is a legitimate poll. Zogby is supposedly reliable, but their numbers have been suspect before, and they always seem to carry the Bush Admin's water for them...

I have yet to talk to ANYONE who thinks striking Iran is a good idea. And I live in the heart of very republican red Florida.

[yardwork]

35. I agree with you.

[Postman]

37. I hope you're correct. Check out Paul Krugman's Op-Ed

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/opinion/29krugman.html?_r=1&n=Top/Opinion/Editorials%20and%20Op-Ed/Op-Ed/Columnists/Paul%20Krugman&oref=slogin

[Disturbed]

38. The possible consequences of a War On Iran have not

been explored on any Corp. TV Media, as far as I am aware of.

[Postman]

41. They don't do consequences.

It's all about the selling....

[Strelnikov_]

42. Like the following . . .

All data 2005.

- The Persian Gulf represents nearly 50% of the worlds petroleum export market.

- The vast majority of this resource passes through 8 to 10 major facilities (one facility in KSA alone processes 60% of its petroleum, you know, starts with a ‘A’).

- If Iran is attacked in such a way as to threaten the continuity of the regime, they will use their substantial missile inventory in taking out these facilities (I do not believe they will target Israel, as it would have no strategic purpose, and is out of range, whereas targeting the gulf energy infrastructure would strike a mortal blow against the attacking western economies, in particular the US, as I discuss below).

- The US imports ~ 12.4 Mbbl/dy (60% of total consumption) of petroleum which represents around 29% of the worlds petroleum export market.

- The next largest petroleum importers (Japan 5.2, China 3.1, Germany 2.4, South Korea 2.2, France 1.9) all have substantial dollar reserves and are significant exporters of finished goods. Basically, we will be outbid on much of what remains of the worlds petroleum export market post attack, as these countries use their export capacity in finished goods to purchase petroleum from Russia, Nigeria, Norway, and Venezuela.

- In the weeks following destruction of the Persian Gulf oil export market, the US will probably see 2/3rds of its imports sold to higher bidders, leaving us with about 60% of the petroleum supply we had pre-attack.

- Approx. 42% of US petroleum is used for personal transport, 22% for commercial transport (trucks that carry food to the stores, etc.). I will leave it to the reader as to the impact a nearly overnight loss of 40% of the US petroleum supply will have to the economy (not to mention the impact due to the collapse of the petrodollar system).

- Russia, India and China will take a pass. Russia stands to make a fortune. And if all the gulf petroleum goes off line, they become the worlds sole energy superpower. China and India will dig in (as they consume much less petroleum), weather the storm, and emerge in a position to snap up all those production contracts that will no longer go to US multinationals for rebuilding the gulf.

- In conclusion, Iran is not toothless. We can physically destroy the country of Iran. There is a good chance they can destroy our economy and begin the process of petrocollapse, ultimately leading to the destruction of a greatly weakened US in a few decades.

So, who wins?

He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing - Muah'dib

[FREEWILL56]

99. Add to that the fact that most of the US military is in striking range

from attack by Iran and that means our military will be weakened and preocupied in Iraq and Afghanistan. One thing most don't think about is: What if they already have the nuke capability and we attack them?

[EFerrari]

54. I don't believe it either. Zogby or no. n/t

[Canuckistanian]

39. Let's see that poll again with a WORLDWIDE perspective

Honest to FSM, what the HELL is wrong with Americans?

[lovuian]

40. this is a LIE

I don't KNOW ANYBODY who has said Attack Iran that I know of

Zogby is crap

[Junkdrawer]

43. Look at my posts. This was a push poll. Asked straight up, 68% oppose...

an attack on Iran. And I would bet that number is actually higher.

[Tom Rinaldo]

44. 32% of DU members voted exactly the same in a poll I did here

I ran a poll that asked if DU members agreed with this question:

"Under Absolutely No Circumstances Can the U.S. Allow Iran to Acquire Nuclear Weapons"

I was very careful to qualify that question also, including making this statement:

But the question for this poll is an absolute one. Vote "Yes" ONLY if you are convinced that, at the end of the day, the United States must do whatever it has to do to prevent Iran from possessing nuclear weapons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3340289

I ran this poll on June 26th of this year and got 138 replies - not a huge sample but not tiny either, and the percentages of how people responded never varied much as the votes kept coming in. Go visit the link for a real eye opener. Discussion on that thread was robust and extensive. DU members who self identified as Democrats were more likely to vote yes than those who self identified as Independents by the way.

On June the 15th I posted a blog at Kos called:

"We Are Losing the Fight Over Iran"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/15/133035/232

It talks about the very problem we are now seeing in this poll

[spanone]

45. i say fuck 100% of the 52%

[tuckessee]

46. Only 52%? That's encouraging.

I thought it would be considerably higher.

Most people I talk to favor not only attacking Iran's nuclear infrastructure but want to reduce Iran to the Stone Age.

[TwilightGardener]

47. That's godawful. I hope the people voting "yes" are preparing for

a draft to achieve that wonderful plan.

[Union Thug]

48. WTF? If true, Americans are the dumbest herd of frightened sheep

ever assembled on a single hemisphere.

And I'll know it's now, officially, time to leave this country.

I hope this isn't true.

[screembloodymurder]

50. I agree.

I don't want to be a part of this shit.

[OzarkDem]

51. I don't think this is valid

Its contrary to most recent polls asking the same question.

[tom_paine]

53. Is it possible that this is true? Then we deserve our tyrannical masters.

We deserve to have lost what we have lost, freedom, morality, dignity, simple human decency...

I stand amazed. If this is true, I stand amazed.

Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war.

[Imagevision]

55. This is so-oo Iraq all over again, M$M will promote the Iran war as they did the Iraq war, don't we

ever learn anything??? the Zogby poll says, next CNN, then Msnbc and of course Faux news will go 24/7 on this as well. It's like the latest generations of Americans aren't really too bright.

[proud2BlibKansan]

56. Wow

I am on Zogby's email list and I just took this poll the other day. I wondered how many people would support attacking Iran and I figured no more than 20%. Damn this is scary.

[Basileus Basileon]

58. The most depressing thing I've read all day. nt

[Imagevision]

60. duh! If the Us. wasn't occupying Iraq they wouldn't be having problems with Iran afterall,

Bush is claiming Iran is blowing up US. troops, but it's ok for the US. to kill 100,000+ Iraqi civilians under the *oops* law of war (shit happens)

[liberalsoldier5]

82. One's intentional, one's accidental....

just saying... plus, I too am pissed that my country's troops are getting blown up by Iranian weapons (if it's true). And I see a major difference between insurgents using Iranian explosives to purposely and deliberately kill U.S. soldiers and innocent Iraqis getting caught in the cross fire. Of course, however, both are deep tragedies. But there is a difference.

Oh yeah, and I don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons under any circumstances. Do I believe that the US should have them and Iran shouldn't? Yes. Sorry, but I just can't be a "citizen of the world" like many DUers on this one. I still give my home team the benefit of the doubt. (Though, I am having trouble knowing what the heck to believe anymore...hopefully a Dem president in '08 will help)

[Swamp Rat]

65. Bull shit n/t

[Emit]

66. My Sad Prediction

coming true. :cry:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1912216

[alfredo]

69. It is up to us to write letters to the editors about

IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei saying Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program. Remember, he was right about Iraq.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=86336

[Disturbed]

70. " Then we deserve our tyrannical masters."

Hell, no!!! Just because many Americans are ignorant & support another War doesn't mean that the ones that aren't ignorant & are railing against the two present ones & a possible third one, deserve the shit that the Busholini Regime dishes out.

[alfredo]

72. I'm not going to stay silent.

[Tom Joad]

71. the pro-war lobby been workin hard for this. it pays off.

[dysfunctional press]

73. majority rules...

bombs away.

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. Here we go again....

[BrightKnight]

77. You couldn't even get all of the backwash to support that. - n/t

[UrbScotty]

78. 48%'er here (nt)

[B Calm]

79. What did Russia say?

[Lasher]

80. 40% Favor Military Action to Prevent Iran Nuclear Capability

Saturday, March 31, 2007

The current survey found that 40% believe the United States should use military force to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. Another 40% disagree and say force should not be used. Republicans, by a 2-to-1 margin, favor the use of force. Democrats, by a similar margin, are opposed. Those not affiliated with either major party are fairly evenly divided.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/40_favor_military_action_to_prevent_iran_nuclear_capability

Notice in the above survey it is a foregone conclusion that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. And even at that only 40% were in favor of using military force.

[LibertyorDeath]

81. It's Official 52% of America is RETARDED!!!!

"A majority of likely voters – 52% – would support a U.S. military strike to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon, and 53% believe it is likely that the U.S. will be involved in a military strike against Iran before the next presidential election, a new Zogby America telephone poll shows."

[weeve]

83. Polls, polls...

... and more polls. The same polls that say all us Democrats want Hillary as our nominee. Whatever.

Of course when the polls say that Kerry had a sizable lead going into election day '04, and the exit polls then confirmed it ... well, OOOPS, those were just wrong. You know ... the Evangelicals and stuff. Give me a break with these "POLLS" please.

[bonito]

85. Well we all must believe it ,because the polls say it's so.

:sarcasm:

[Perry Logan]

87. Beware of any poll that makes you feel isolated.

Whenever the Repubs are planning another atrocity, one of these polls appears--and the polls always reveal that people are crazy about the proposed new catastrophe.

Then--a few weeks later--the polls all say the opposite. What could it possibly mean?

[mogster]

88. I'm wondering about these polls now ...

It's too convenient, and this is in fact a poll about the Dem candidates, not about a war against Iran.

They cheat in elections, they cheat in the media - both are ways of harnessing democracy, faking opinion.
Should we take the poll results; the very basis for 'opinion of the people', as the word of truth? I think not.

[marmar]

91. Never misoverestimate the American public......

:dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

[flyarm]

92. bullshit..zogby is owned..this is bullshit! ..who here knows anyone wanting iran bombed?

i don't know a single soul who wants us to bomb iraq..not dem or repig!

so sick of the bullshit phony polls in this country!

fly

[iamthebandfanman]

98. i do

but its my brother and over the last couple of years hes slid into the Right Wing trap (being afraid of illegal immigrants and the other bigot/idiot stances they have)

[fasttense]

94. Very strange.

Even my right wing neocon friends don't want a war with Iran. I guess it's all in how you present the question.

[halobeam]

97. No, it's all how much can you lie and get away with it.

I don't believe this poll at all.

I call Bullshit.

[kenfrequed]

95. Polling is useless

No matter the "weighting" used I no longer believe in the validity of any kind of polling except exit polling.

They often fail to properly interview the poor and people that rent. They fail to account for reasons that people hang up and who is most likely to do so. It disproportionally represents middle-middle to lower-upper class respondents.

Aside from this, the very framing of the question creates an unavoidable bias.