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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:37 PM
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Posts which blame Al Gore for indecision are really pissing me off
One poster says he's so upset at Al Gore that Gore "is beginning to piss me off." Come on, people. Al Gore has said numerous times in different settings that he is not running for President of the United States. He said he is running a campaign of a different kind--global warming. If you are getting upset at Al Gore because he won't give a "Sherman-like Statement" then get over yourselves. He has said quite forthrightly he isn't running. His heart isn't in it and he's working on something he considers very important. Those who say to Gore "Piss (the nice way of putting it) or get off the pot" are taking your aggressions off on the wrong guy. He has decided. It's you who won't accept what he says and causing your own agitation.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:39 PM
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1. Gore's indecision has simply been which words to use to declare his non-candidacy.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:39 PM
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2. Please link to the definitive statement. (nt)
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:41 PM
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4. please link to where he has said he will consider running.
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 12:41 PM by book_worm
He has said on many ocassions he isn't running. Where has he said, "I will consider it if..." Please link to that.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:53 PM
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13. Ask and ye shall receive...
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0705/22/lkl.01.html

"Well, I have not closed the door at some point in the future to consider being a candidate. "

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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:04 PM
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16. thank you
but I read it and it seems to me he is not ruling out ever being a candidate again in his lifetime rather than talking about 2008:
"Well look I'm 59 years old, 59 is the new 58."
King: And you're 40.
Gore: "Well I have not closed the door at some point in the future being a candidate. But even saying that makes me want to immediately follow up with a disclaimer. Because I don't expect it to happen. And I'm not jockying to create an opportunity...Look I'm enjoying my life. And I'm enjoying serving in other ways."

Gore's daughter in July says it will not happen in '08.

Gore in Oslo on 10/17 said "I don't have plans to be a candidate again...I'm involved in another kind of campaign."
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:33 PM
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19. Why does he choose different language now?
This is the root of this issue. In December of 2002 Al Gore made a definitive statement that he was absolutely not running in 2004. There was no room for interpretation and he even contacted the leaders of the Draft Gore movement asking them to stop.

Why does this extremely intelligent person not seem to be able to say the same words he used before?

Why keep leaving the door open?

Its a very simple statement.

"I am not running in 2008, but may consider running in the years ahead"

That closes the door on 2008 AND leaves the door open for the future.

Explain his absolutely refusal to issue a definitive statement for 2008 like he did in 2002?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:40 PM
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3. I agree
and furthermore, the Gore as Messiah narrative is something I find highly disturbing. Gird yourself though. You're sure to be on the receiving end of some outrage.

I'll just sit back now and :popcorn:
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:41 PM
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5. I agree. He's not running, and he said it, and we (myself included)
just weren't willing to face it. I'm fine with it now, and really think people should move on - there are some really good candidates out there to get behind.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:43 PM
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6. There's more to it than that.
Al knows that a lot of people are trying to get him to run. Yet he continues to play with them. He says he's not running "at this time," or has "no plans to run," etc., always leaving himself an out. And that's what causes the problem. If he isn't going to run, he just needs to make that perfectly clear, with no chance of anyone interpreting it otherwise.

I think he should just flat out say, "Thank you for your interest, it's very flattering, but it is not going to happen in 2008. Period. I am not going to run for President in 2008, so, use your time to support a candidate that has announced they're running. I feel the global warming issue is where I best spend my time at this point."

No biggie. And it pretty much indicates there's no chance of him running. Anything less truly is playing a game.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:43 PM
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7. Al Gore has not once said "I am not running" or "I will not run."
He has used all sorts of tap-dancing to get around making a Shermanesque declaration, which is why so many feel he is planning to pull one out at the last minute. Good for him. Since when do campaigns have to be three years long anyway? Since the corporate media went 24/7 with the news, that's when. There is absolutely no reason to have to drag this out for so long. If Al wants to wait, I don't care if he jumps into the ring on November 1st. I'll vote for him. What's with the people who feel that their support for anyone has to be carved in stone over a year before the election?

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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:48 PM
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9. so when is he going to jump in? You say 11/1? that's fine. I don't care if he does jump in.
Fine with me. But it's people who blame him for not giving what they consider a definitive statement which makes me mad.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:51 PM
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12. I think Atman means 11/1/08. n/t
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:53 PM
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14. probably.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:46 PM
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8. There are thousands of people currently working to put his name on the ballot.
They believe that he wants this. If he does not he should say it clearly, so people can move on and work for other candidates. All the people working for Gore firmly believe that he si interested in the presidency. If they are all wrong, it would be nice to know. Otherwise we can end up dividing the vote, which would unfortunately mean a Hillary win.
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:50 PM
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10. And cue up a self-righteous post
by The One & Only Keeper of Al Gore's Flame Of Truth berating everyone for "harrassing" Gore in 5...4...3...2...
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:51 PM
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11. I'm also being indecisive......I haven't announced whether or not I'm running.
I'm just stringing you all along...

:eyes:
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:05 PM
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17. I wish you would make up your mind though.
Because that really does piss me off :)
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:00 PM
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15. One reason he may have decided not to run...
If I were Al Gore and looked at the way the leadership of my party had become the voice of the people who elected them and gave them control of Congress, I wouldn't run either.

Why bother?
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:24 PM
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18. WHAT indecision GORE says he is not going to run
damn people are proving over and over they are stupid, what part of N-O. don't they understand.
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