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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:19 PM
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Forget "the gays", Taser Boy has apologized
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 01:22 PM by 2rth2pwr
Meyer apologizes in letter to students
By KIM WILMATH, Alligator Staff Writer

http://www.alligator.org/articles/2007/10/30/news/campus/meyer.txt

Andrew Meyer has addressed an apology letter to UF students, UF President Bernie Machen and Student Government for his "failure to act calmly" during a Sept. 17 forum with Sen. John Kerry.

In a letter released to the Alligator on Monday afternoon, Meyer wrote that he "stepped out of line" and felt he had tarnished UF's image.

"For that again, I am truly sorry," Meyer wrote.

Meyer, a UF telecommunication senior, was tackled, Tasered and arrested by University Police Department officers during a question-and-answer session following the speech from Kerry, a Democrat who represents Massachusetts.

However, Meyer's remark to officers in the police car, when he said they "did nothing wrong," was accurate. Meyer had no animosity toward individual officers, Griscti said.

edit to add- More here- www.meyercase.com


The people who said that the cops faked that quote will be apologizing soon, I'm sure.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:20 PM
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1. Skull & Bones got to him
:crazy:
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:49 PM
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16. Kerry's minons for sure. nt
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:09 PM
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23. Kerry is the one person he did not apologige to
In spite of the the fact that Kerry treated him with far more civility than most politicians would.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:26 PM
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2. (cue the sound of crickets)
DU: The Home of Selective Outrage
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:31 PM
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4. I expected nothing but silence from
those who posted over and over again that he was a hero and that Kerry was complicit in the tasering.

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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:35 PM
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6. it's often convenient to ignore the facts
when you have your own hate-filled, ignorant agenda to push. There were kids at the school saying he was a dickhead and was doing this for attention. His own writing in the school paper alluded to the fact that he sought attention and would rather be infamous than respected. And didn't he get some job offer or something for a political blog after this? Mission Accomplished for him, I'd say.

As Babs Bush would say it's "worked out nicely for" him, hasn't it?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:27 PM
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3. What, no First Amendment lawsuit?
hopefully he's learned that acting like a butt head has it's consequences.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:33 PM
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5. I don't get your thread title... Am I missing something? nt
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:35 PM
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8. It sounds a little insulting, doesn't it?
Kinda like "The blacks".
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:36 PM
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9. This post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3659741&mesg_id=3659811

bigdarryl
6. Sense when does the gays tell the party what to do if i


were Obama I would tell them to go to HELL!!! either you vote for me or you don't
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:35 PM
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7. Kicking.
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:39 PM
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10. He still didn't deserve to be tasered. nt
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:42 PM
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12. "he said they "did nothing wrong,"
Even he disagrees with you
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:44 PM
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13. I don't care if he disagrees.
He didn't deserve to get tasered. Being a dick should not get you hit with a potentially deadly weapon.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:46 PM
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14. He wasn't tasered for being an ass
It was for breaking the law and refusing to comply
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:47 PM
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15. Resisting officers, yelling and screaming, acting
in unpredictable and violent ways is just being a dick?
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:19 PM
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47. It certainly does not warrant the use of a potentially deadly weapon. nt
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:22 PM
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48. Don't physically fight the police, simple idea. nt
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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:49 PM
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17. How about punching one in the face? n/t
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:40 PM
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11. Hillarious! I remember all the apologists for his behavior.

Three cheers for Andrew Meyer!
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:52 PM
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18. Remember the one's saying he was the modern Rosa Parks? nt
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:56 PM
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19. They probably water-boarded him until he'd write this
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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #19
31. DU has officially gone completely insane... n/t
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:56 PM
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20. And what choice did he have but to apologize?
Just like any journalist must apologize for speaking out without permission from the boss of get fired. I mean that is the way things are now are they not?
So if Myres was an asshole for what he did so is Code Pink and all the others that stray our of there free speech zones to get attention.
It is that kind of thinking that makes protesting the war a joke and a complete wast of time.
Just stay in line and wait until you are called on and then ask your question with the utmost of respect or be declared a troublemaker and attention seeker.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. What pressure do you believe would have caused a false apology?
His employer?

His parents?
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. Or the school
UF is a Conservative university
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:24 PM
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34. So he couldn't sue the school?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 07:59 AM
Response to Reply #21
54. It sounds to me like his lawyer wrote the statement...
it's one of those, let's just make this go away kind of apologies.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:01 PM
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22. Get fired from what? He was a star and hero to many
his future was bright if he decided to become the poster boy for many people's agendas.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:16 PM
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24. Read his "apologies"
His apologies are for things like losing his control. Especially in the apology to other students, he still is projecting himself as this hero fighting for truth. In fact, all he had to do was when Kerry said he had the book - asked what he thought of the conclusions. Senator Kerry gave him that opening and is not known for refusing to answer questions. Also, it helps to shut up after you ask your question - he shut the Senator out when he started to answer. He is not telling the truth when he says he just wanted an answer - he was there to disrupt.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:58 PM
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28. Just like Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan right?
So if he was wrong then so are they and you have dismissed all civil disobedience including Kings march across the Edmond Pettit bridge as disruptive.
But that is right I suppose sense during the civil rights marches in the 60 that was the complaint against them that they were "agitators" from the north trying to dictate how they lived in the south.
Hell yes it is disruptive and if it is not you might as well just forget it and accept the fascism or racism that the powers that be put on us.
Just make George a king and be done with it.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:03 PM
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29. Ha! see post #18
You just can't make up this stuff.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. In case you don't know your history at all
CodePink members do NOT resist arrest. The civil rights workers did not resist arrest. You are full of it.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:34 PM
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35. So then your only complaint is that he resisted arrest?
The lady with blood on here hands did almost the same thing as Myers did, they did not leave quietly.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:41 PM
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36. Oh no she didn't. She did not resist arrest, and
she wasn't self-promoting either. She was confonting one of the perpetrators of war crimes. Kerry? How does he fit that description? And actually, I think he was being disruptive. He had no interest whatsofuckingever in letting Kerry respond to his questions. Nevertheless, I don't think they should have tazed him, simply arrested him for Disorderly, and removed him.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:57 PM
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41. I guess she went down on the floor just for attention then.
And attention whore then I suppose
If you can't challenge your own party members then how can you challenge the rest?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:28 PM
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44. Code pink has taken the consequenses of their action
In Meyer's case, what exactly was his cause? Election fraud? If so, wouldn't LETTING KERRY ANSWER, be more productive than continuing his tirade? Or, was it it that there was nothing Senator Kerry could have answered that would have been more insightful than Meyer's own ramblings? If this was the case, then it is true that he was not there to ask a question and get an answer. He was there to cause a disruption and embarrass the Senator.

Given that Kerry is one of the strongest voices on the Democratic side for getting out of Iraq - more than the top 3 Presidential candidates are, do you want him silenced? Do you think it strange that the Gainsville Sun, owned by the NYT put the initial video, edited by Meyer's friends that distorted the situation refused to answer to supoenas on this matter and their original article was not on their web site last week?

Who is the victim here? A bratty kid who never learned to behave or a Senator, who went out of his way to give a lecture on foreign policy to a student audience because he had had to cancel a book tour appearance because of unexpected votes? Which one do you think the current administration or the MSM would rather silence?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:00 AM
Response to Reply #28
55. Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan know enough to cooperate with
the cops, that's the difference. They do their thing, the cops come and take them away and they go without resistance.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. Perhaps, but not in northern Florida
Most of northern Florida is like Alabama.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:52 PM
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27. Well, you disrespect your fellow students when you step in front of them
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 02:57 PM by LittleClarkie
How is being rude to people good for the cause? How does that make you a hero? If he had actually been there to ask a question, as he says, rather than to rant, it would have been different. But he didn't really give Kerry a chance to answer, did he? And that wasn't the point.

if you say you're there to ask a question, and then never let the person who's supposed to answer get a word in edgewise, you might be called a disrespectful troublemaker.

And the title of attention seeker is earned when your on/off switch depends on whether the cameras are on, or off.

He got what he wanted, nothing more, nothing less. I hope he enjoyed his 15 minutes.

Behold, the conquering "hero":

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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. Someone is always being disrespected when you oppose
The status quo
When the black people refused to sit at the back of the buss they disrespected those that sat in the front.
When they sit in at the lunch counter they disrespected the right of those that just wanted to eat there lunch in peace
When Sheenhan camped out on bush ranch she disrespected his neighbors.
When Code pink confronted Condi Rice they disrespected those in the hearing room that just wanted to sit quietly and lessen to the lies.
But I suppose that this is a different age now where those things are not permitted, and we are all suppose to be sheep herded here and there but never going anywhere at all.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:19 PM
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32. To compare an upper middle class white kid to an oppressed
minority and those who really put their lives on the line for justice and civil rights, is profoundly disrespectful. To compare a self-confessed attention whore to CodePink, is also profoundly disrespectful.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:51 PM
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38. There were upper middle class white kids in the struggle for
Civil rights in the 60s
Two of them Cheney and Goodman were killed in Mississippi in 1964 for disrespecting the local tradition that black people should not vote.
And there actions were not all that notable, they were just trying to talk black people into registering to vote.
But the way I am hearing you seems like you would say that if Myers would have done the same thing at a town hall meting in 1964 in Gainesville Florida to Senator Hubert Humphrey and the law set the dogs on him to bite him you would say he deserved it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:56 PM
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39. Yeah, and cheney and goodman literally lost their lives
fighting for civil rights. What the fuck was that little attention whore fighting for?

And no you don't understand me and you appear to have a problem reading, along with your disgusting comparisons of Andrew Myers to people who really deserve credit for what they did/do. I said I don't think it was right to taze his.

Now continue wallowing in your bullshit. I'm done.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #38
45. Meyer is not in the same ballpark with those heros
You can't even see that he is USING THE ISSUE. What was very clear here, was that even though he was rude from the get go:

1) Senator Kerry, hoping to defuse the situation, asked the police to let him ask a question.
2) Senator Kerry told him he owns and has read Palast's book - if that were the issue, asking Kerry what he though would get an answer to the question.
3) When he finally got to the question, he wouldn't let Kerry answer. If he were genuine, he would give Kerry a chance to answer.

Where would you draw the line. At some point everyone else in that room had rights too. Very few likely attended to see Andrew Meyer speak.

He was tasered because he was still not in control and they couldn't get him out of the room otherwise. He was resisting arrest, using force.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #38
46. Not if the dogs bit him
but it would have been ok to shoot the fire hose at him.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:18 AM
Response to Reply #38
59. Ultimate Agenda
Ultimate Agenda : On one hand, we have Civil Rights. On the other hand, we have Being An Attention Whore.

Fell free to compare the two if you find resemblance between them; but as for me, you minimize the civil rights struggle in doing so, whilst insulting those who actually fought rather than prostituted themselves for attention.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:01 AM
Response to Reply #30
56. Oh no, you're not comparing Andrew Meyer to Rosa Parks are you?
:rofl:
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 03:17 AM
Response to Reply #56
62. I'm telling you
you can't make this up.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:44 PM
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37. Reminds me of Cheney's friend apologizing for putting his face in front of the shotgun.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:57 PM
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40. It would. n/t
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #37
42. That is what you must do in this bizarre world
Never challenge or suggest that the leader did anything wrong.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 04:57 PM
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43. Exactly, or you will be tazed.
That's what I get out of this apology. The conservative University of Florida sensing a Modern day Rosa Parks in their midst (remember Kerry as a member of S&B is really part of the cabal that illegally placed Chimpy McHitlerburton in power) when they saw Andrew moments away from exposing the sinister plot, spirited him away and tased him to set an example.

As the background checks and NSA wiretaps revealed Taser Boy to be a publicity hound, they waterboarded his ass as a way to convince him that the cops were in the right.
And to add to the reeducation, The Starks apology was seen as a very successful example of the public humiliation required to make the point stick. Unfortunately, the massive torture required to get compliance took away his ability to speak, so the black ops were asked to type up a series of written apologies to live on forever on the net.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:53 AM
Response to Reply #43
52. anyone who "sensed" that Meyers is "modern day Rosa Parks" has no sense
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 06:54 AM by onenote
And since when is Rosa Parks ancient history.

Good grief.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:03 AM
Response to Reply #42
57. What exactly did Kerry do wrong in this instance?...n/t
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:56 AM
Response to Reply #37
53. Yeah, that was truly bizarre
One can only wonder about what went on.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:24 PM
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49. He's working for Greg Palast now
so he is doing alright.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. Is that true? , cause it sounds like
a joke.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:44 AM
Response to Reply #50
51. Yes it's true
I saw Greg Palast Sat night. He talked about this kid.
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Beerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:04 AM
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58. That's way cool, I was kind of waiting for that.
I'll have to watch the vid again, but if I remember right, the kid was smoking and the cops tasered his ass. All in all, that's enough right there. All the other kids smoking stuff got right the fuck out.
They are @ least college edumacated, after all.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #58
60. Yeah, somebody's smoking something
but it's not taser boy.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:59 AM
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61. It's not the smoking...
It's the :beer: :beer: :beer:
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