What other President has taken us so far in the wrong direction?

[goclark]

History majors, please help me.

I am over 60 years old and I can't think of a President in my life time, or an administration, that messed up everything that they touched --- education, social security,the war, the diplomacy etc. etc. etc.

Maybe they messed up a War or there was a depression or there were Civil Rights issues but for ALL OVER messing up with a President that belonged in Rehab--- please help me with some details to hold on to during these last two years.

This Resident seems to have his fingerprint on every thing!

I am reminded of the expression, " You Can't Make Chicken Salad out of Chicken S---!"

:hurts:

[BlooInBloo]

1. Dunno - can the Native American genocide be pinned largely on just 1 President?

[Done]

3. Andrew Jackson played a big role nt

[goclark]

5. Did his Administration mess up everything else

How were they on the Courts,the economy etc.?

[Done]

6. Some good, some bad

He didn't like slavery. He also shut down the national bank and help to bring a depression. The worst thing he did was the "trail of tears". He hated native Americans and even ordered an eviction in violation of a supreme court ruling.

[goclark]

10. Thanks Done ~

One difference from that time to this is the lack of 24/7 Communication.

A President could do bad or do good and people would not instantly learn of it.


Well, let me think on that--- How long before we were told there were NOT WMD? :puke:

[wuushew]

24. Are you sure he didn't like slavery?

I toured his house in Tennessee many years ago and I believe it had slave quarters.

[Done]

31. You're right...

I remember seeing a documentary that stated he was against slavery, but now that I think of it, it may have only stated he didn't own slaves.

This is from encarta:

"However benevolent Jackson may have been toward blacks and Native Americans in his personal life, they clearly were not included in the “common people” he sought to aid in his public life. His Native American policy deprived America’s original peoples of millions of acres despite prior treaties and the disapproval of the Supreme Court of the United States. His party promoted the interests of slaveholders and thereby helped to delay a solution to the slavery question until it erupted into the Civil War in 1861."

It looks like Jackson was a bigger a$$ than I thought.

[goclark]

45. Thankd Done for the Encarta reference

He was a bigger a$$ than I thought he was too.


Bush did his dirt with Katrina$$$$$

[goclark]

2. I'm not sure

I do know that this War is all on Bush and they still give him a pass for the most part.

I think the only way to get the attention of the World is for everyone, in every city and every Hamlet, to MARCH and shut down America until we get answers!

A March of the "Anti-War" people doesn't hurt but it does not get the attention that it deserves.


The CON NEWS will just say they are "crazy protesters" and they don't really count. They don't show the full number of people on any channel but CSPAN.

[Done]

4. I think you have to go back to Nero...

to find someone who compares to *'s

[goclark]

35. And they didn't have CNN to spread the news

24/7 with Nero.

It is not so much that we have news 24/7 but that they can "select" the news that fits their $$$ pockets.

So, we hear "News" but we are only allowed to hear what they want us to hear.

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[etherealtruth]

9. Truthiness

Remember ... it has nothing to do with facts or reality ... it has only to do with what YOU want the truth to be!

[Done]

11. It is unusual you get to read one ot these things...

before it gets deleted.

[siligut]

18. I thought we weren't supposed to feed them.

The cloying sincerity of it is what gets me.

[acmejack]

12. The economy is fabulous for those in the blessed "base"

Foreclosure figures, factory closings, lay offs, say you live off of your stock dividends. Either that or you're retired and you got out in time.

[goclark]

14. You must not have spoken to the poor people of the USA

It is an unnper middle class ecomony.

Social Security and Health Care are not great if all you have to live on is your Social Security and you can't afford Health Care with Blue Cross/Kaiser etc.

[Virginia Dare]

25. Got some links to back up your claims gordjeff?

I won't hold my breath...

[etherealtruth]

32. That's the beauty of "truthiness" ... you can't back it up

"claims to know intuitively, instinctively, or "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or actual facts" ... Truthiness.

[Sydnie]

27. Excuse me

You're comparing Saddam and Hitler? Why was it so important that we get Saddam out? Was he threatening the world? Did he have any WMD at all? Or, was he our guy who had out lived his usefulness and oh yeah, he tried to "kill" someone's Daddy.

blivet** could have headed off this terrorism if he had listened to Clarke in January of 2001 and done due dilligence to the systems and intelligence that was in place when he walked into office. He could have stopped it if he hadn't listened to his PNAC buddies and been their water carrier for their "new world order" plans from BEFORE he was selected.

You're post is a joke. Your position is misguided.

Welcome to DU ... enjoy your stay.

edit - subject line

[goclark]

52. Thank you Sydnie! nt

[TahitiNut]

42. That's a remarkable perspective.

[trekbiker]

47. Please, please Mods... dont delete this guy!!!

I'm in bad need of some humor this morning..

[Efilroft Sul]

49. Clinton "asleep at the switch"?

Oh, I disagree.
http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/Clinton_and_Terrorism.html

[AspenRose]

56. Where have you been? Everything is Clinton's fault.

Increasingly, Carter is getting some of the blame, too. Yessir, Carter and Clinton ruined everything for America! :sarcasm:

[TahitiNut]

58. Don't forget Poland.

... and FDR.

[snappyturtle]

8. I'm also sixty and I can't think of one......

you also "Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"!

[leftyladyfrommo]

13. Me, either. And I'm just a little younger than you.

I remember the 50's as being a really, really worrisome time. All the nuclear threat stuff going on. We were all expecting an atom bomb in the living room at any second.

But everything is screwed up right now. Economy may be good for the stock market people but it isn't good for the rank and file. I just heard yesterday that real income is down again - due to increases in healthcare and such.

New Orleans is still just sitting there rotting. That is just an absolute disgrace.

We are going to need money for the baby boomers retirement years - and we have spent 2 trillion in Iraq instead.

Americans can't travel in lots of parts of the world any more because we are so hated everywhere. And for good reason.

I surely can't think about much to celebrate. Polls show that most people just wish that Bush would disappear. I would go for that as long as he takes Cheney and Rice with him.

[goclark]

16. I'm with you Snappy Turtle

We are dealing with the "Sow's Ear" big time.

[Loisenman]

15. they are so skilled at what they do

The best mess-makers ever. It's as if they stay up nights thinking how can we make things go even worse than they are. They must say, "I know there is a way we can mess up even more if we just all put our heads together and use the best of intuition and conscious deliberation. Let's not give up now--- I am sure we can make it worse."

[goclark]

19. You are right Loisenman

GW tells us all the time that he goes to bed at 9 PM and never reads the paper.

Maybe that's when he and his elves get busy.

It must really be " hard work" to mess up in so many areas like this Clown.

[newyawker99]

55. Hi Loisenman!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Virginia Dare]

17. The only other one I can think of is Buchanan...

who dithered away the latter years of his Presidency while the nation marched towards civil war.

[goclark]

20. Was Buchanan on drugs or retarded or just old and tired?

We all know that Bush is a Prime Time candidate for constant Rehab, not just one of those in and out places.

[Virginia Dare]

22. No, I think he was just out of his league...

he was one of those constitutional egghead scholars, who didn't have the stomach to take a side one way or the other. He tried to appease everybody and ended up making the situation worse, so he just gave up. He ended up very weak and ineffective.

Bush is out of his league, drunk and retarded, so it's a triple whammy with him. If we can get out this Presidency with anything less than a disaster on par with the Civil War, we'll be very lucky.

[goclark]

26. Virginia Dare I am marking each day off on the calendar

This is just too much for a country to take.

[meldroc]

63. Buchanan++

He did absolutely nothing to address the slavery issue, which caused a greater divide between the North and the South, and by the end, the South was seceding. He split his own party (yes, the Democratic party, which in those days was the conservative party, and had a significant portion in the South that was pro-slavery.) His adminstration was corrupt, inept, and created the clusterfucked mess that was the Civil War, which his successor, Abraham Lincoln, had to clean up.

[A wise Man]

21. Why shouldn't he screw up

after all he was selected as President in 2000 making him illegal and in 2004 stolen a second term in Ohio. A thief and a lying, cheating, greedy murderers stripes never change.

[Virginia Dare]

23. Plus, his Poppy has fixed everything he's ever screwed up

in his life, which is pretty much everything he's done, so why should this be any different.

[goclark]

30. Two years is too long to wait ,America needs to MARCH

When they take those 62% of the people are against the War polls, we know that the figure is much higher.

But, if only 50% of the people that are opposed to Bush would MARCH, we could shut down America for one day and somebody would have to listen!

It takes too long to Impeach this fool.

[A wise Man]

34. I don't just want them removed

I want them to pay for what they've done to this country and to the world. I shutter the thought of him, Cheney, Rice, Rove and all that are complicit in the coup'de tat of 2000.

[goclark]

36. Speak A Wise Man ! "The Coup'de tat of 2000"

That is exactly what happened.

That should be its own thread because they have managed to overthrow this government with our eyes wide shut and flags waving.

[goclark]

37. I want them in the Hague

I would get my plane tickets immediately.

But, we have less than 24 long months with this gang and my dream of the Hague are dimming. :cry:

[radfringe]

28. funny you should ask that question

Earlier this morning I sketched out and completed my toon for tomorrow and deals with the issue of 'wrong direction'....

GMTA or am I psychic?

as to an answer for your specific question - I'm 51 and you have me stumped... can't think of one that continually drives on the wrong side of the road going in the wrong direction

[goclark]

33. Can't wait to see your toon

You may want to have a giant screw that is painted red white and blue with GW twirling around it--- LOL

You are right GMTA :hug:

[Mr. Jinx]

29. None in recent memory

We've had a few ringers over the history of the republic, but this guy has really loused things up. Who knows how long it will be before we're cleansed of what this gang of idiots...

[goclark]

41. It will take forever to erase their wrongs

And this next President MUST be a Democrat with the power to lift up America, like JFK and the power to inspire the rest of the World to believe in us again.

[bluedog]

38. I'm 59 and have Never..seen this

country in such a freaking mess.......I knew when * got nominated that he looked like a disaster for this country and by God I was right...........
I haven't to this day .seen one thing he has done right.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

39. Andrew Johnson was pretty awful.

By undermining the Radical Republicans over reconstruction he managed to stifle the hopes of the freed slaves and return power to their white oppressors.

A feat that America still suffer from today.

[goclark]

44. Thanks for including that information

We are sure still suffering from his dirty deeds,IMO.

[Jack Rabbit]

40. None, really none

Buchanan is accused of fiddling while the Union burned, but he was the last of four successive presidents who did little more than that. Slavery was not an issue that could be triagulated. Even by the time Buchanan entered the White House, the nation was well on its way to civil war.

Bush inherited a budget surplus and squandered it. Bush inherited a Middle East peace process and abandoned it. Bush inherited a world in which Saddam was contained and disarmed and he went to war. Bush inherited a functioning counterterror program and he downgraded it, neglected it and ignored it warnings about al Qaida. Add to that Bush's assault on the Constitution and the rule of law, in which a Republican Congress was complicit, and we have a leader who blazed trails into quicksnad.

[goclark]

46. Speak Jack Rabbit Speak!

That is what I'm talking about, we have allowed him to destroy us.

Katrina is but another example of what we have allowed him to get away with -- he KILLED his own people and left them to die in a Dome and in the WATER while he did nothing!

[progressivebydesign]

43. None. Bush is the worst. EVER. n/t

[mmonk]

48. The one that follows

this sentence.

[goclark]

51. You got me! That was a good one.

Let's hope that he is only ONE of a KIND for this century and all centuries to follow.

[MilesColtrane]

50. Perhaps Warren G. Harding? nt

[goclark]

53. Worse than GW????

That is so hard to believe that anybody could be that bad.

[MilesColtrane]

54. Well, let's put it this way. It will be a cage match battle royale between....

Harding and the Primate Pretender, once he leaves office.

Harding's the defending champ if you average several surveys of scholars and historians taken over the past 50+ years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_United_States_Presidents

A "preemptive" war with Iran would probably push Bush into the worst of all time. Bombing Iran w/nukes, and starting WWIII would clinch it.
Of course, after that there may be no historians left.

[goclark]

60. Thanks to the link Miles ~just a matter of months

until Chimpy goes for 1st Place with another loser.

The clock can't tick fast enough for me.

[treestar]

57. Chimpy is the Winner

No previous President has managed to create such a mess.

[liberal renegade]

59. You can't

make diamonds out of dogshit!

[goclark]

61. You made me spill my water bottle all over the computer LOL

With these clowns in Residence, we need a good laugh.

[goclark]

62. USA Today President validated my post

took him long enough to realize it...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x228658