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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 11:30 AM
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Reviews Pile On: EDWARDS Most Effective & Articulate
REVIEWS PILE ON: EDWARDS MOST EFFECTIVE AND ARTICULATE CHALLENGER TO CLINTON

TIME's Mark Halperin Gave Edwards' Debate Performance an "A"; Edwards "Came Across As Presidential, Optimistic and Patriotic — Essential for a Winner." "Impressively he remained above the Clinton-Obama fray (no "look at me" antics) but swept in to best them while the media waited for the pair to duke it out. Calm and cool, he went after Clinton on (let's face it) character, and only occasionally seemed to be trying too hard. Hit both his Democratic and Republican targets with acute precision and impact. Appeared tough enough to perform well in a general election, with the kind of articulate passion he formerly demonstrated in the courtroom. Came across as presidential, optimistic and patriotic - essential for a winner." http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1678242_1678241,00.html , 10/31/07

David Yepsen: "John Edwards Emerged As the Evening's Most Effective and Articulate Challenger to Clinton." In a blog post titled, "Johnny Be Good," Yepsen wrote, "John Edwards emerged as the evening's most effective and articulate challenger to Clinton. She turned in an uneven, sometimes waffling performance…Edwards came ready for the scrap and he helped his candidacy." Des Moines Register, 10/30/07 http://blogs.dmregister.com/?cat=33

New York Times: Obama "Was Frequently Overshadowed by Former Senator John Edwards." "But for all the attention Mr. Obama drew to himself coming into the debate, he was frequently overshadowed by former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina, who — speaking more intensely and frequently — repeatedly challenged Mrs. Clinton's credentials and credibility. 'Senator Clinton says that she believes she can be the candidate for change, but she defends a broken system that's corrupt in Washington, D.C.,' Mr. Edwards said. 'She says she will end the war, but she continues to say she'll keep combat troops in Iraq and continue combat missions in Iraq. To me, that's not ending the war; that's the continuation of the war.' He added, 'I think the American people, given this historic moment in our country's history, deserve a president of the United States that they know will tell them the truth, and won't say one thing one time and something different at a different time.'" New York Times, 10/31/07 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/us/politics/31debate.html

ABC's George Stephanopoulos: "I Think It Was a Good Night for John Edwards. I Think One of His Best Nights of These Debates So Far." George Stephanopoulos: "I think it was a good night for John Edwards. I think one of his best nights of these debates so far. He was very, very clear. He didn't back down at all. He knew exactly what he wanted to say about Hillary Clinton, again , that she can't bring about change." ABC, "Good Morning America," 10/31/07

CQ's Craig Crawford: "I Thought It Was Edwards' Best Performance So Far." On MSNBC: Chris Matthews: "Who was ready to be her number one challenger between now and January?"… Craig Crawford: "I thought it was Edwards' best performance so far." Crawford later wrote, ""John Edwards was truly passionate about taking on Clinton, targeting her centrist views as 'doubletalk' and accusing her of falling in line with hawkish 'neo-conservatives' on Iran. Indeed, it was the former North Carolina senator's most forceful debate performance so far." MSNBC, 10/30/07; http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2007/10/clinton-as-debate-target-reaff.html , 10/31/07

The Nation's Ari Melber: "John Edwards Had the Strongest Showing." "John Edwards had the strongest showing, pounding Clinton as the status quo candidate. 'If you believe that combat missions should be continued in Iraq ,' he said, 'then Senator Clinton is your candidate.' Edwards repeatedly presented himself as the most credible 'change' candidate." http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?pid=247326 , "Edwards & Obama Confront Clinton In Dem Debate..." 10/30/07

Daily Kos Readers Declared Edwards the Winner. According to the Daily Kos poll following the debate, "Who do you think won the debate," John Edwards led the pack with 33% of the 8,588 votes cast, followed by Obama at 21%, and Clinton at 16%. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/30/224542/32 , accessed 9:04 a.m. on 10/31/07

CBS's Jeff Greenfield: "It Was Former Senator John Edwards Who Used the Toughest Language" On Iran. "But it was former Senator John Edwards who used the toughest language, at one point reacting with incredulity to her claim that a vote to brand the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as terrorists was a way of opposing the president." "The Early Show," CBS, 10/31/07

The Nation's John Nichols: Edwards "Ended the Night as the Candidate Who Had Done the Best Job of Defining Himself as the Alternative to Hillary Clinton." "It wasn't just a fight about Iran, however. Edwards hit hard, and effectively, on every front. After detailing the front-runner's contributions from defense contractors and other corporate interests, he said. 'If people want the status quo, Senator Clinton's your candidate.' That's tough talk. Blunt talk. The sort of talk that Barack Obama seemed to suggest that he was going to deliver Tuesday night. But it came from John Edwards, who ended the night as the candidate who had done the best job of defining himself as the alternative to Hillary Clinton." http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid=15; http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20071031/cm_thenation/15247313, 10/30/07

The Nation's John Nichols: "Edwards, Not Obama, Hits Clinton Hardest, Smartest." "It was supposed to be the night Barack Obama took Hillary Clinton down. But, when all was said and done, Obama was a bystander…Where Obama was unfocused and ineffectual, John Edwards landed plenty of blows. The former senator from North Carolina began by suggesting that 'it's fair' to talk about essential differences between the candidates. Then he highlighted a big one. '(Clinton) says she'll stand up to George Bush,' argued Edwards. "In fact, she voted to give George W. Bush the first step to war on Iran...'… It was a smart, at times intense dialogue…But Edwards owned the moment. Accusing Clinton of voting for an Iran resolution that read like it was 'written literally by the neo-cons,' the 2004 vice presidential nominee declared, 'We need to stand up to this president. We need to make it absolutely clear that we will not let Bush, Cheney and this administration invade Iran.'" http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid=15; http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20071031/cm_thenation/15247313, 10/30/07

NBC's Tim Russert: "Edwards Was More Aggressive, More on the Offense than Barack Obama."
Meredith Viera: "So did Edwards emerge?" Tim Russert: "I think Edwards emerged as the most aggressive candidate against Hillary Clinton…But clearly, looking at their performance last night, Edwards was more aggressive, more on the offense than Barack Obama."

Marc Ambinder: "John Edwards's Instruments of Persuasion Were Sharper and Louder." "In this discordant symphony – 'A Clintonian Lament' -- John Edwards's instruments of persuasion were sharper and louder; Barack Obama's were more resonant and more subtle. In music terms, Edwards played the French horn; Obama played the violin. Or, as the New Yorker's Ryan Lizza told me during a commercial break, 'It's the difference between someone who goes to law school and becomes a prosecutor and someone who goes to law school and becomes a law professor.'" http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/10/obbidoddwardsson_versus_hillar.php , 10/30/07

ABC's Rick Klein: "Edwards Still Seems Better, Though, at Finding Compelling Ways to Set Himself Apart." "11:05 pm ET: Rick Klein wrapping it up -- Hillary Clinton gave a truly bad answer at the end, on illegal immigration, one that feeds the argument Obama and Edwards were making all night. Did Obama clear the bar he set for himself? Probably yes, but not with much room to spare. Edwards still seems better, though, at finding compelling ways to set himself apart. And other surprises -- how about Joe Biden taking on Rudy Giuliani? Is he the new George W. Bush, in terms of punching-bag status?" <http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/10/live-blogging-2.html , 10/30/07>

NBC's Domenico Montanaro: "Clinton Blurring the Lines AGAIN, Now on Illegal Immigrant Driver's Licenses… Edwards Called Her on It." "Is Clinton blurring the lines AGAIN, now on illegal immigrant driver's licenses. She said the plan makes sense, but can't commit apparently. She said she didn't say she supports the plan, when Dodd said she did. Russert tried to pin her on it, and she obfuscated again. Edwards called her on it, evoking Bush-Cheney, saying Americans were tired of 'double talk.' Obama nodded and got called on and he got to chime in as well. Does this become a problem for her? Can she directly answer a question?" http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/10/30/439655.aspx, "Clinton having it both ways... again?" 10/30/07

The Politico's Ben Smith: "John Edwards Kept Up the Pressure Most Skillfully on Clinton… Drove His Point Home When She Refused to Say Whether She Supports" Spitzer's Plan. "John Edwards kept up the pressure most skillfully on Clinton, putting his courtroom skills to use to build a case, at times mockingly, against the New York senator … Edwards drove his point home when she refused to say whether she supports New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's plan to give drivers' licenses to illegal immigrants." http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6633.html, 10/31/07

ABC's Rick Klein: "It's Rare That a Highlight Comes This Late in a Debate, But Edwards Picks up on That Inconsistency On Immigration." "10:56 pm ET: It's rare that a highlight comes this late in a debate, but Edwards picks up on that inconsistency on immigration: 'Sen. Clinton said two different things in the course of about two minutes.' Obama: 'I was confused on Sen. Clinton's answer.' And Obama calls the Spitzer plan 'the right idea.'" http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/10/live-blogging-2.html, 10/30/07

CNN's Candy Crowley: Edwards "Stepped Up His Game." Appearing on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360, Candy Crowley said, "John Edwards, who has never been shy about going after the frontrunner, stepped up his game, questioning her candor." CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360," 10/30/07

CQ's Craig Crawford: "I thought Edwards made a good point when he said Republicans talk about you so much, because they want to run against you." MSNBC, 10/31/07
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 11:51 AM
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1. I thought Edwards and Biden came across the best last night
with Obama a close third. Kucinich was best on the issues, as always. Poor Richardson, whom I know to be the best as far as experience and quite possibly the best in ability to get the job done, came across as a dimwit. He is just not a decent speaker in front of a group.

I will cast my vote for whomever the nominee is in 2008, no question about it. However, last night solidified my opinion that I will not be happy to cast it for Hillary Clinton.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:18 PM
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9. Golly gee you are gonna be flamed to death
If you don't prostate yourself in front of Obama, the saint the journal Obmas worshippers are going flame your butt to the devil...watch out.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:24 PM
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11. I backed Dr. Dean in 2004
So trust me, I can take it.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:40 AM
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79. So did I, and I agree with you.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:12 AM
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62. This Edwards press release has been posted four times!
Edited on Thu Nov-01-07 07:32 AM by MethuenProgressive
And is getting "k&r!" posts by the all same posters :rofl:

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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:23 AM
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88. so what
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 11:53 AM
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2. I think after everything shakes out, he'll get the nomination.
nt



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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:17 PM
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8. Good God, I hope not.
I'd like to be able to vote.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:31 PM
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13. Typical. *yawn*
nt

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 02:40 AM
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53. boy did you say it Lex...
talk about a broken record... amazing. Time to finally put him on ignore as he never adds anything to the debate, but one liners attacking Edwards as being slick and little slams like the post above.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:29 AM
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77. Speaking as a person who still holds a grudge against Edwards...
...not only voting "yes" to the IWR, but co-sponsoring it---then expecting to be held in a higher regard because he said the magic words “I’m sorry”. "Sorry" doesn't cut it.

....No, No, I can’t forgive him, even though he did impress me with his ability to make the Corporate Queen Hillary look bad. True there were times when Edwards did seem somewhat presidential, BUT when he started saying something like none of the candidates up on stage (including himself) were “pure” (or something like that) (pertaining to their pass)... he lost me AGAIN.

And when Kucinich started talking about Edwards dealing in hedge funds, I thought who could vote for this phony who says what we the people want to hear only when it's prior to elections, and only after he’s out of the senate when he’s worthless to us.


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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 04:18 PM
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97. I'd rather give that "phony" a chance rather than the other one everyone
calls a "phony" in HRC. And Obama is about toast with his green-ness in making decisions, so for me it's down to them (unless Biden surges or Gore enters, which I don't foresee, but hope so), so I'll take the "phony" from the Southeast and give him a go around and see if he backs the American people as strongly as he says he will, I mean, what the heck, B*sh to Edwards is gonna be a HUGE difference. Hope you change your mind and will vote for him when/if he's the nominee for the GE.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:59 AM
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93. So, just to be clear about this...
You're not going to vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election?
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:30 PM
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12. John Edwards is what this country needs right now
A good dose of the truth, told fearlessly and with the muscle to back it up.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 11:55 AM
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3. I'm hoping this will help put Edwards back on top in Iowa--Iowa is a must-win state for Edwards
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:33 PM
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14. Don't listen to the polls....
I know folks on the ground for the campaign in Iowa and they say it's happening and the polls are BS. John Edwards is getting this done, one county at a time, and they love him in Iowa like a native son.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:15 PM
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16. I live in Iowa
And I see the same thing. I think Edwards has it just about wrapped up. A recent poll from one of the universities here has Clinton, Obama and Edwards in a statistical 3-way tie, but I see Edwards support on an uptrend and the others trending down or staying level. Edwards seems to have far more support among the hardcore base, and I think we know who it is that votes in primaries, regardless of what people say they will do when called randomly.
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:41 PM
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17. Thanks for that report!!
See? I think Edwards will take Iowa and them we're gonna have a whole new ballgame.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 04:26 PM
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21. Great
Edwards did a terrific job Tuesday night. Hillary made the mistake of attempting to straddle positions and aviod directly answering questions, two things for which she has been criticized. Obama had some great zingers, but at times seemed a bit off his game.

I really think that John Edwards is not only the best choice for the Democratic party in '08, he has the best chance of winning the general election, and this is an election we must win. If the party nominates someone who cannot win the general election, we're sunk - and so is the country.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 11:28 PM
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43. and that scares the crap out of the neo cons!! they are scared shitless of John Edwards!..eom
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:43 AM
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81. BINGO. That's exactly how I've seen it all year.
And that's why he'd be our best candidate against the Ghoulianis they throw at us,
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Counciltucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 12:34 AM
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51. Edwards will probably end up winning Iowa.
He's an expert at retail politics, which really resonates with Iowa voters. It's pretty much the reason I'm supporting him. He has the most solid support of any candidate in Iowa.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 11:56 AM
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4. I loves me some John Edwards
He was on point and showed why the right wing is afraid of him.

:rofl: Hillary get more $ from defense contractors than any republican.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:14 PM
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5. Witness as John Edwards navigates around the money and directly to the voters.
It is awesome!
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 02:44 AM
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54. I do feel concerns for his protection because he's the people's candidate
imo, and when I went to his rally a few months back, he was without any protection that I could see as he left the building, EVERYONE around him was someone that was there to see him, not one or two staff or security with him like you see sometimes with other candidates, and because I believe the rich & powerful who want to hold down the little people are sometimes violently evil (like they did to MLK, JFK, etc..), I am concerned for him. I will pray for him, as he continues to shine in these debates and in person...
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:15 PM
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6. The media CAN'T ignore him...
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 12:42 PM by AmBlue
...when he whoops a$$ like that!! So nice to see him getting the credit he deserves.

All that lifetime of standing up for regular people against big corporate interests is exactly what this country is so desperate for now. He's such a fighter, and I can't wait to watch him shake up the game in DC and help us take our America back!! No wonder they've tried to kill news about Edwards for so long. He scares them all to death and rightfully so.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:15 PM
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7.  K & R
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:22 PM
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10. Giving this some good old fashioned DU R&K love!
:thumbsup::loveya::kick:
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:51 PM
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15. As much as I want DK for pres., I think JE has the best chance...
Not only to catch Hillary, but to win across every region of the country.

My heart is with Dennis, but my pragmatic side knows he has not the M$M attention (in a good way) or the $$$ to win. Edwards is our best and most viable chance to take back the White House!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:47 PM
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18. I think we're traveling in the same boat here today.
Those are my personal thoughts as of 10/31/07
K&R.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:55 PM
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36. Same
Your post summed up my feelings toward Edwards.. I hope that the good people in Iowa vote for him, I know my relatives in Ames are supporting him. :kick:
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:45 AM
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82. Samer.
Do I hear a "samest" a la Keith Olbermann?
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:52 AM
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84. Yep, and that Keith is a smart man! n/t
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:47 PM
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19. kick
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 04:16 PM
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20. Kick. (nt)
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 05:04 PM
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22. Recommended
and kicking for the evening crowd.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 05:44 PM
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23. Kick!!!!
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 05:49 PM
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24. yahoo, he is the one they fear, he is the one, not HRC! Kickety kick!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:12 PM
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25. John Edwards can win in the General Election.
Sen. Clinton's chances are shakey at best.

Sen Obama, although a wonderful person, is not ready to be Pres.

John Edwards represents more of what most Dems want than Sen. Clinton.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:12 PM
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26. Kick it back up there!
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:17 PM
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27. I fell back in love (and hope) with Edwards last night...
He was on fire - I think he found his right voice and message. I saw what everyone is saying about Hill...Obama was too tentative I like him but he is not ready for prime time IMHO. Wouldn't mind seeing Edwards and Obama team up. I think that would be a great strategy. Give Edwards two terms - by then Obama would be ready to take the wheel. Great debate last night!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 06:20 PM
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28. Edwards/Obama: A winning team.
I like that.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 08:55 PM
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29. Happy to be the 26th rec on this post.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:13 PM
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30. K&R
John Edwards is the most Progressive candidate with a shot at winning, and with the Republicans being more on the ropes than they have been in 30+ years NOW is the time to elect one. This is an opportunity we should not pass up.

:kick:
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:14 PM
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31. Edwards is my pick and has been all along. Think Repukes keep shoving HRC down our throats since
they don't want to face Edwards in the GE. Know that HRC will bring out everyone who doesn't want her in the repuke party, but Edwards will sway moderates and indies towards the Dems.

Plus, Edwards as our candidate won't hurt the locals/state folks running in red or purple states the way HRC would.

rec'd
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:52 PM
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35. You're exactly right...
I campaigned for Edwards in the early 2004 primaries and then for Kerry/Edwards the rest of the year. I can't tell you how many doors I knocked on for them, but more times than I can count I ran into Repubs who told me that if Edwards had been the top of the ticket they would have voted for him.

I thought it was very interesting that Republicans will vote for John Edwards. He also has strong appeal with the rural conservatives and can win them over in states that would normally go Red. He's progressive as hell, but he appeals to them. And to top it off, LOTS of Republicans are fed up and ashamed of what * has done to this country. If Dems and progressives are thinking strategically, and want to win no matter what, John Edwards is our man.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 11:30 PM
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44. ding ding ding...you win!! ..100% correct!! eom
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 05:37 AM
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58. Exactly right- they want to run against her.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:22 AM
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63. Even my right-wing Bush appologist father is impressed by John Edwards
I guess that when you campaign on giving power back to the people, you earn respect from all quarters. Whodathunkit?
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:54 AM
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85. I think the media shoves Hillary down our throats because:
A) The Clintons have always been enablers for the PNAC pack.

B) Our media's corporate owners have bought and paid for Hillary’s campaign, they’re looking for some pay-back.

I think they ignore Edwards because:

A) Edwards looks and sometimes sounds quite Kennedy-ish ...based on that he has a chance.

B) The PNAC pack won’t let Edwards win because Edwards is involved in an investment firm other then the White House Mafia’s favorites.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:23 PM
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32. Recommended! What other Candidate Can Claim Praise Like This From The Debate? NONE
Thank you AmBlue for taking the time to compose this list of praiseworthy comments about Edwards' performance in the Debate last night.

Edwards was really on his game --so expect the usual detractors to show up and trash Edwards on this thread.

If anyone really wants to know how well Edwards did last night, they ought to check with Hillary --I bet Edwards well-supported criticisms are still ringing in her ears.

She is not unbeatable, and the Repubs know it. Maybe now Democrats will begin to understand that Repubs WANT TO RUN AGAINST CLINTON.

When we vote, we need to keep that thought in mind... and vote for Edwards, the Repubs worst nightmare.
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:55 PM
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37. Thanks, Blackhatjack
It is stunning, isn't it??? However, I can't claim credit. It was sent to me by a friend.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 11:16 PM
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42. Thanks for posting it!
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 12:11 AM
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49. You're most welcome. n/t
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:26 PM
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33. Edwards 'articulate'..damn..I thought he was a white boy! n/t
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 09:42 PM
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34. Edwards is doing something remarkable in this campaign, something unseen in many years....
Edwards is reaching the independents/undecideds and unaffiliated voters, not by becoming a version of Republican-Light, but by bringing a progressive populist agenda to a group that is strongly anti-war and aching for a return to government by the people --without the corporate/business/special interest lobbyists calling the shots.

It goes against all the conventional wisdom for reaching 'the middle.'

And it shows up in polling. Edwards has high favorability numbers with this group, and very low unfavorability numbers. Clinton's unfavorability numbers with this group means that for her to win she will have to reach the required winning % by bringing ALL HER VOTES along with her from the Democratic Party --which is hard to do.

Edwards will be the 'Repub Killer' in the General Election, and they know it. And what they fear most is that Edwards will dismantle all the corrupt influences they worked so hard to build into the system over the last 6 years, and Edwards WILL INVESTIGATE the outgoing Bush Administration.

Is there a worse nightmare for Repubs? I don't think so.

If they have to lose to anyone, Repubs would rather have Clinton in the WH. NOT EDWARDS!
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:02 PM
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38. Bingo!!!
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 10:04 PM by AmBlue
"Edwards will be the 'Repub Killer' in the General Election, and they know it. And what they fear most is that Edwards will dismantle all the corrupt influences they worked so hard to build into the system over the last 6 years, and Edwards WILL INVESTIGATE the outgoing Bush Administration."

Yessirreee.... I've been saying this for weeks. The beltway bunch are shaking in their Brunomaglis at the thought of President John Edwards. The status quo will be the STATUS NO MO!!!

(shameless self kick)
:kick::bounce::kick::bounce::kick::bounce::kick::bounce::kick::bounce::kick::bounce:kick::bounce::kick::bounce::kick::bounce::kick::bounce:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 11:32 PM
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45. absolutely!! thank you!! ..eom
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 11:48 PM
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47. Yerp- the thing they fear is a return to the rule of law
and that's what they'll get with Edwards- on BOTH sides of the aisle.
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:25 AM
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75. agreed. HRC is double trouble, ie. corporate power apologist, and a loser in general election.
she's not coming off well in the debates, dodging an hedging questions. Our country CAN"T afford to lose this presidential election to the corporate/fascist party. i'm afraid HRC won't survive the GE against the RW attack machine.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 10:56 PM
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39. Edwards has coattails. nt
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 11:08 PM
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40. Gore's my man, then Edwards. However...
In all honesty, I was most impressed by Kucinich! And honest-to-God, swear on a stack of bibles I have not been a Kucinich supporter to date.

They sure didn't give him much time to talk, though.

So now I'm faced with that old dilemma -- vote for the person with a better chance to beat Hillary, or the one I like the best which would take away a vote from the potential Hillary-defeater.

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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 11:13 PM
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41. Why is it okay to call Edwards articulate- but Biden got beat up for calling Obama articulate?

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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 11:34 PM
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46. Biden had to pave the way
for Edwards. To give Edwards ideas, and prove that "articulate" was not an insult.:sarcasm:
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 11:56 PM
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48. Um, if you'll look at the quotes...
Those aren't my words. They came from the second quote, by Yepsen. He's the political soothsayer in Iowa.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 12:28 AM
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50. Stop bashing Hillary!!! WHAAAAAHHH!
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
:P
BHN
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 01:52 AM
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52. Edwards won me when over a long time ago. He speaks for the
working man!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:47 AM
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91. For everyone, imo, even the very rich, did they but know it. Grabbing
everyone else's money isn't any more beneficial for them, in the long run, the important run, than it is for their victims.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 03:03 AM
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55. Nice. It looks like Edwards is going to start getting some attention from the press, now. (nt)
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California Griz Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 03:14 AM
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56. Everyone I know
is voting for Edwards. Hillary and Obama are at the bottom of my list. I'll vote for them if they are in the GE but I won't be happy about it.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 05:33 AM
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57. He done good. I've switched to him. n/t
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 06:02 AM
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59. k and r
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texanshatingbush Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:23 AM
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64. Where is Hillary getting her high numbers from?
From day one the Repugs have let it be known they want Hillary because of her obvious vulnerabilities and Dems continue to do the Lemming march with Hillary, I don't get it. I like Obama's thoughtful answers and believe he would make a great President, but he also can't win. I'm starting to warm up to Edwards, if he can keep his message clear and simple, he has a decent chance.
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:02 AM
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70. Edwards is the KING of clear and simple...
And he's hitting his stride. It's a beautiful thing to behold. He looks positively Presidential and NO ONE else on that stage the other night did, to my eye.
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:09 AM
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71. Remember ROVE taking a swipe...
at Hillary before he left office?? He was trying to rally the Dem troops around the Hill and get her some free publicity in the process-- as if she needs it. The lamestream media and the GOP appear to be in cahoots on this and it is painfully evident.

If there are pollsters for sale--and what isn't for sale in DC these days?-- you can bet they've been bought and paid for too. The Iowa polls don't smell right at all when I know what I know from folks on the ground there. I think John Edwards is winning in Iowa and will win their caucus.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 06:59 AM
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60. thank you AMBLUE!!!...eom
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:36 AM
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90. You're welcome, dahling n/t
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jonnyra Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:11 AM
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61. Kucinich is my first choice
but unfortunately I dont see him making it through the primaries. But Edwards is next on my list and he CAN win the primaries. To hear him rail against the corporations and war and this insane medical care system of ours is a beautiful thing. Can you imagine an intelligent, articulate person in the white house who believes in dialog and negotiation rather than bombs? Someone who is fighting for the average American worker rather than the corporates? Someone who sees the evil inherent in our medical care system? Someone who believes miner safety is more important that mine owner profits? Hard to imagine I know after the last 7 years. But it will happen with Edwards in the white house and he can win.

My concern is the same as someone upthread expressed...in America, if you scare the wealthy elitists too much...if you threaten the status quo...you tend to be involved in small aircraft accidents or visited by some deranged killer that just decided to snap. Edwards tough rhetoric against the corporations along with his potential to win is going to make him a target...I truly fear for his safety.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 08:43 AM
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67. Republicans will swiftboat...............
Republicans will swiftboat our candidate. I would prefer Edwards over Hillary but I will vote for the Democratic nominee for president.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 08:36 AM
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65. Reconfirms what I have already decided.....Edwards is, and has always been my choice
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 08:39 AM
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66. K and R .... hope this thread reaches 100 R's
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 08:46 AM
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68. The MSM is trying to throw the election by backing Hils. They
know she can be beaten.

Finally, the truth is coming out.
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petepillow Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 08:49 AM
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69. The two most respectably electable? BIDEN AND EDWARDS
Biden-Edwards = Light at the end of America's current tunnel.

Dennis Kucinich is great, awesome in fact. But average voters won't make it happen. No one knows Richards or Dodd, nor will they with the MSM blackout on them. Hillary is more universally hated than anyone. Barack is working against his own inexperience, not to mention the redneck vote (if you know what I mean).

Biden is our messenger. Edwards' only weakness is his wealth. Are there any other contenders running?

Biden-Edwards is the answer.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:24 AM
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89. Yikes that was my post from yesterday. They would
make a perfect team !!!
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:09 AM
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72. well I gotta tell ya....
I've been backing Edwards all along, even though I think Kucinich passes the smell test better...but last night his answer about legalizing pot just disappointed the fuck out of me. I instantly remembered his wimpy position on gay marriage. Damn it, I understand he's got to play it smart and all that but....isn't that what's kinda bad about Hillary, this triangulating?

Everything else he did, definitely his best so far, but I'm kinda feeling like I'm a Dodd fan now, sorry. I like Dodd on the stand against telecom immunity, and I like his stance on legalization. Some may say that legalization isn't as big an issue as foreign policy; that's probably true, but the foreign policy issues won't get me thrown in jail for smoking a joint in my home. If anyone wants to school me on where John is better than Chris Dodd on the issues, please do.

Again: John is way up at the top of my list, of course. But right this minute I'm liking Dodd even more. Feel free to tase me, I won't be offended.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:16 AM
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73. I do not wish to demean your concern. But....the person out of work...or trying to get health care.
may not have your concern at the top of their list.

Just think about it for a minute.

The house is on fire, the dog is in the house, and the fire truck has a flat tire......and you are wondering why the neighbors are looking the other way while you are crabbing about the pizza guy being stopped at the end of the street and you being deprived of your pizza.

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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:27 AM
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76. I understand, of course but...
wouldn't those concerns also be addressed by Chris Dodd? As I say, I've supported John all along, he's been the standard bearer for working people and the poor.

I'm just saying that maybe I get that goodness along with some courage about legalization with Dodd. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I'm here to discuss.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:39 AM
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78. Dodd has been around a long time, and is an articulate and savvy pol. He is a good guy
without a doubt.

I do not argue with your expression of support for him.....I only question abdicating Edwards for Dodd over an issue that is important, but not critical (in my opinion).
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:57 AM
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86. I agree we don't have an argument here
I was just thinking aloud that if Dodd addresses all of the concerns we both agree are critical, plus he's on the side of the angels with concerns that only I consider critical, I would be getting more with Dodd.

I'm going to leave it alone after this post. I'll still pull the lever and fight for Edwards, Kucinich, Obama with a smile if it comes to that. Hell, I'll even hold my nose and vote for Hillary if it comes down to her and Rudy. I'd rather have Dodd but I'll gladly take Edwards. Signing off.
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:57 AM
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87. Edwards can win....
We can't take a chance on anything less.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:23 AM
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74. very impressive
I thought Dodd did a good job as well, but Edwards certainly scored some points.

I thought they all missed the obvious, though - when Hillary was talking about voting for 'negotiations' when she voted for the Iran resolution, someone should have asked if Bush negotiated before he attacked Iraq.

Uh, no. And he won't before he attacks Iran.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:40 AM
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80. Yea ! R's are up to 66.....let's go and get more !
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:47 AM
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83. Gaspare says"Edwards kicked Friggin Ass!"
Gaspare, a frequent poster at DU, Dailykos and elsewhere says "Edwards kicked Friggin Ass! Edwards was far and away the most compassionate, articulate, well rounded speaker of the evening. Clinton's doublespeak strangulation technique was torn asunder under Edwards decisive and well spoken critiques of Clinton's positions. Obama, though articulate, was agian overly cautious in this high stakes run for the White House."

Gaspare, a long time poster, and for the most part just another idiot with a cable modem, thinks the pundits in the Washington bubble can go jump in the Chesepeake Bay!

Run, John, Run!!!!
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:57 AM
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92. I've said it before and will say it again. Edwards is our GREATEST HOPE for 2008.
Edwards is being marginalized by the MSM because of his populist stance, which happened as well to Dean who had a similar message. Our corporate overlords will not allow for a populist uprising; hence, the focus of DINO Hillary.

J
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:16 AM
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94. You NEVER hear from the MSM what a great grassroots organization Edwards has in Iowa...
Edwards has built his campaign in Iowa from the ground up. In the 2004 election cycle, Edwards had met almost all the local Democratic leaders and he provided them with resources they needed(like computers, etc) to organize their Democratic campaigns.

Clinton and Obama have been running constant media ads in Iowa over the last 3-4 months, while Edwards has been waiting to run tv/media ads until closer to the actual caucus.

It is going to be interesting to see Edwards' momentum growing as he begins to make media buys.

And if Clinton comes in third in Iowa, she has a BIG PROBLEM heading into New Hampshire.

It looks like Edwards and Obama could come out of Iowa facing a seriously weakened Clinton, but she has two big assets --she remains flush with millions of dollars and the MSM choice. She cannot be deprived of the former, but if the MSM turns on her(unlikely) that might be enough to deny her the Democratic Nomination.
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boot@9 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 11:41 AM
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95. k&r
Edwards has been my choice for months. Go Johnny go!
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be inspired Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 12:00 PM
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96. kick
This is a great roundup of the debate reviews. Thanks!
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