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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:58 PM
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Stop your bitching about Waterboarding!! According to Kondracke it doesn't cause any lasting damage
:sarcasm:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200710310004

Kondracke: Waterboarding "doesn't result in any lasting damage"

During the "All-Star" panel segment of the October 29 edition of Fox News' Special Report with Brit Hume, Roll Call executive editor Morton M. Kondracke, referring to the interrogation technique known as waterboarding, stated, "I'm sure it feels like torture, you know, it doesn't result in any lasting damage, but it feels like torture." However, as Media Matters for America has noted, Dr. Allen S. Keller, M.D., director of the Bellevue Hospital Center/New York University Program for Survivors of Torture, wrote in Senate testimony about the "long-term health consequences" of waterboarding. In written testimony dated September 25 to a Senate Select Committee on Intelligence hearing on interrogation techniques, Keller stated, "To think that abusive methods, including the enhanced interrogation techniques , are harmless psychological ploys is contradictory to well established medical knowledge and clinical experience. These methods are intended to break the prisoners down, to terrify them and cause harm to their psyche, and in so doing result in lasting harmful health consequences." He said of waterboarding specifically, "Long term effects include panic attacks, depression and PTSD ," and said it poses a "real risk of death."


I say to prove it Kondracke should volunteer first for waterboarding!

BTW - not all damage is physical
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:03 PM
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1. Gotcha...but here's a good way to end the conterversary
Gather all the senators and representatives who believe in waterboarding. Which would include bush and cheney. Then gather all those who think it is torture....let's let those who believe it is torture, try it out on those who believe it isn't....Think how many converts (changing their minds to believe its torture) we'll soon have.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:04 PM
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2. Kondracke should castrate himself with a rusty razor. No lasting damage, since he doesn't need his
balls anyway. What a fool.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:59 PM
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10. now, the pundits are beginning to show their true unvarnished colors
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:05 PM
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3. You know what also doesn't leave any lasting damage. Bamboo shoots under the nails.
That shit heals right away.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:28 PM
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4. “Some time the hating has to stop.”
http://www.theforgivenessproject.com/stories/eric-lomax
During the Second World War Eric Lomax was tortured by the Japanese on the Burma-Siam Railway. 50 years later he met one of his tormentors. His book, The Railway Man, tells the story.

If you are a victim of torture you never totally recover. You may cope with the physical damage, but the psychological damage stays with you forever.

In 1945 I returned to Edinburgh to a life of uncertainty, following three and half years of fear, interrogation and torture as a POW in the Far East. I had no self-worth, no trust in people, and lived in a world of my own. The privacy of the torture victim is more impregnable than any island fortress. People thought I was coping, but inside I was falling apart. I became impossible to live with; it was as if the sins my captors had sown in me were being harvested in my family. I also had intense hatred for the Japanese, and was always looking for ways and means to do them down. In my mind I often thought of my hateful interrogator. I wanted to drown him, cage him and beat him - as he had done to me.

... snip ... Please read this bit. It is moving. ...

After our meeting I felt I’d come to some kind of peace and resolution. Forgiveness is possible when someone is ready to accept forgiveness. Some time the hating has to stop.

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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:29 PM
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5. The apologists are war criminals too.
Every last one of them needs to be brought to justice.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:29 PM
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6. EVERYONE that supports Waterboarding should BE Waterboarded!
I cannot believe we have people in this country defending TORTURE!!!!! TORTURE! Damn them.
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:30 PM
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7. Hehe, was getting ready to rant until I seen the /sarcasm :D
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:33 PM
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8. Line him and all who support it up.
Waterboard them a few times. They'll change their minds very quickly. Anybody who supports torture is a barbarian.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:00 PM
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11. "Anybody who supports torture is a barbarian."
Period.

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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:58 PM
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9. it sure used to be torture
gee, everything really did change after 9/11!
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