I'm glad Edwards clowned Sen. Clinton. Someone had to.

[Guaranteed]

I've never seen anyone confront her with her behavior and lack of leadership before. It was refreshing.

Like Edwards said, she can't have it both ways. She can't say that she's opposing ChimpCo while she's enabling them with her votes.

And like Edwards said, many of the people on that stage learned the lessons of how to deal with the neocons the hard way. Some haven't learned the lesson at all, though.

Maybe after getting knocked around- rightfully- she'll start doing just that.

[BootinUp]

1. Edwards has no credibility in this regard. n/t

[yourout]

4. He has alot more credibility than Hillary.

At least he knows he made a mistake witht the vote. Hillary still hasn't figured that out.

[Cha]

6. And she willfully

won't, either.

[BootinUp]

7. Why apologize for being lied to? I never "got" that.

please explain.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

14. And what will you say when she doesn't appologize for being lied to in regard to Iran? She

knows exactly what she's doing.

[BootinUp]

15. You presume that there

is wide enough support from Hillary or anyone else (Bush even) to attack Iran. The two situations are quite different in fact. I could list the ways but maybe you will consider it yourself. As I said in another thread, Hillary never had the power to stop him from invadin Iraq, and reasonable people can differ on political strategy to achieve a desired end. All the cries of war mongering at Hillary are so much nonsense, she never launched the invasion or even called for it. She called for a threat of invasion to force full compliance. And that was with Sadaam Hussein and Iraq. In fact the threat in that case worked remarkably well. And we had him where we wanted him, before dumb dumb fucked us all over.

Maybe if the country elects a 60% neocon congress and senate in 08 and Rudy at the helm, then I would be much more concerned about an attack being launched at Iran. At this point I see cooler heads prevailing, doesn't mean we should let our guard down though.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

16. When Hillary voted along with others to call the Iranians terrorists , it has opened

the door for the sociopath-in-chief to attack anytime he wishes as we are in a "War on Terror", hence all
"terrorists" are fair game. To think that anything would stop this man from doing exactly what he wants to do, is downright naive and he has the backing of 77 Senators to do so.

Perhaps you don't hear the drumbeats for war as clearly as I do now, as I clearly as I did for Iraq.

[BootinUp]

17. The only drumbeat I have been hearing

is from the left and it has to do with campaign politics.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

19. Hearing from the left? Hmmmmmmm.... I guess you don't read all the articles that

are presented here at DU about Iran and WMDs. Those drumbeats for war against Iran are getting louder and stronger.

Here's a good article to start with.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2169139&mesg_id=2169139

[BootinUp]

20. Pretty tame by war drum standards actually

My read is there is a strong contingent in Congress the WH and the Pentagon against any attack at this time.

After 2 months of rangling we have increased sanctions, not war, and we have diplomacy going on at the UN Security Council. I am hopeful that a more permanent agreement can be reached between the UN and Iran.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

26. And when does this administration listen to the UN? Come on. The article I

showed you was just a smattering of ones on the lies, not on the drumbeats. The Congressional vote alone was a sign of it. Don't you understand what I said? Iran's army is now a terrorist organization and that alone gives Shrub carte blanc to attack.

If you wish to keep your eyes wide shut, go ahead. I think you are dead wrong.

[Guaranteed]

23. ????

WTF?

Have you been listening to Rush Limbaugh?

What the hell is wrong with you?

[Guaranteed]

22. Well, he clearly didn't read Sy Hersh's "Shifting Targets" in the New Yorker.

Pretty, uh...IMPORTANT...read. Sets out the reality- the dead-set intention- of the neocons attacking Iran.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

25. Shhhhh..the poster probably thinks Sy is part of the left and political.....

:shrug:

[Toots]

27. It wasn't just his vote, he lobbied hard for passage and co-sponsored it

He was a co-sponsor to the damn thing and he was one of the reasons so many Democrats voted for it. He showed a very profound lack of judgement IMO and it is going to take more than a little talk to regain credibility in my eyes.

[KingFlorez]

2. He voted for the Iraq War

Now he wants to turn around and act like he was opposed from the get go. He has no room to criticize anyone over this.

[MethuenProgressive]

11. The way he's flip flopped on his entire Senate career, he'll endorse Clinton any day now...

The only thing consistant about Johnny Edwards is his pandering.

[Guaranteed]

21. That is like...a deliberately false statement.

Edwards has been nothing but up front about his vote. He acknowledges it constantly. He also talks about what a mistake it was. (I'm telling you this, and I'm not even an Edwards supporter.)

You see, that's the thing about what happened with the IWR- Edwards LEARNED something from it (and I coulda sworn I said something about that in the OP.....)

Not everyone learned something, though. Not everyone is sorry. Not everyone sees the actual RESULTS TO THEIR COUNTRY of their leadership....not everyone understands reality.

Some are just in it to be President, and that is all. They have no concern for the consequences of what they do.......

[mitchtv]

3. he clowned himself

whining about how he wouldn't support decriminalizing pot "for the Children" Tired and passe'He is now officially a caricature

[Guaranteed]

24. Yeah. Decriminalizing pot. The pre-eminent issue of our time.

No, it's not terrorism, or globalization, or alternative energies and global warming, or our civil liberties.

It's smoking fucking doobs.

Nice, son.

[mitchtv]

28. so I have no right to take exception for pandering?

cause it's not "War and Peace". Pre eminent? No
emblematic? most certainly. Shows you what kind of up tight asshole he really is.

[Cha]

5. Sounds like hillary's little "believe what I

say, not what I do" 3 act play got some cold water thrown on it..Good for Edwards!

[kimmerspixelated]

8. Agreed!

Although she must've felt like she was getting ganged up on, Edwards did the right thing. She is way too right-wingish for me, and the look in her eyes told me she plans to get even, OR, she was laughing inside, because she already knows that she will win, no matter what! Thru whatever means.

[MLFerrell]

9. "Maybe after getting knocked around- rightfully- she'll start doing just that."

She won't.

Fuck HRC.

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. Hillary might as well deal with it now, because Republicans won't

be as kind.

[weeve]

12. Thank you very much ...

... but we don't need another MAGGIE THATCHER ! Am I the only one who's extremely nervous that Hillary wants to be seen as ONE STRONG WOMAN on the world's stage ? She's just chomping at the bit to send some missles flyin' ( especially in the direction her PNAC sugar daddies tell her to ). Sucking up to these warmongers and enabling them ( TWICE!! ) with her Senate votes tells us all we really need to know. John Edwards proved last night that he's got what it takes to speak Truth to Power ( and Money, and the Media Hillary Blitz ).

Gore #1 ... Edwards #2 !!

[Disturbed]

13. "wants to turn around and act like he was opposed from the get go.

Wrong! He admitted that he made a bad mistake. He never said that he opposed the Invasion of Iraq from the start. Please, at least be factual.

[ozone_man]

18. I concur for the same reasons.

Gore #1 ... Edwards #2 !!

Edwards came to life last night.