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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 02:54 PM
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Senator Kerry now speaking on Senate floor on supporting the troops by providing proper equipment.
Edited on Thu Feb-15-07 02:55 PM by flpoljunkie
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 02:55 PM
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1. Thank you for letting me know. n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 03:01 PM
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2. Shameful--------Reporters should have asked questions about armor
yesterday!
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 03:09 PM
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3. That communist!
What does he know about war?

Oh yeah, never mind.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 03:11 PM
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4. Kerry's voice has considerable authority on this issue, but if he's going
to do part of the Defense Secretary's job, I feel he should also be awarded part of the Defense Secretary's salary.

I honor Kerry's effort here -- no question that it's needed. It reflects very poorly on Mr. Gates that this is a problem at all, nevermind still a problem after so long in Iraq.

Thirty-two percent, Mr. President, and falling.
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sidwill Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 03:22 PM
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5. Whenever a I hear a Dem complain about body armor etc...
...I get queasy.

True it would be nice if troops were afforded every single advantage possible, but nitpicking on the details of the war instead of simply taking a stand against the immorality of the war itself is IMO the thing that hobbles the Dems the most on the issue of the war.

I see our leaders point out the waste, the abuse of prisoners, the abandonment of our veterans, and the issue of the armor but ignore the overiding illegality and immorality of starting the war itself. I feel that if our leaders do not stand up and lead on this we will be doomed to repeat the Iraq debacle.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 04:14 PM
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6. Point well made, sidwill.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 04:20 PM
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7. One does not preclude the other
Kerry fights to end the war (see www.setadeadline.com), but this does not mean that he should not also do his best to help the troops that are over there now.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 04:52 PM
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8. I agree - but Senator Kerry has called the war immoral several times
- probably more often that anyone else I can think of. Here he is saying that it is even worse that we are putting our soldiers at far greater risk than they need to be - which is dispicable and he likely remembers pretty well the extra danger he was in in Vietnam.

at Take back America - he said "My vote was wrong and this war is immoral"

and in several other speeches including his Real Security speech on Sept 9, 2006

"It is immoral for old men to send young Americans to fight and die in a conflict without a strategy that can work -- on a mission that has not weakened terrorism but worsened it.

It is immoral to lie about progress in that war to get through a news cycle or an election.

It is immoral to treat 9/11 as a political pawn -- and to continue to excuse the invasion of Iraq by exploiting the 3,000 mothers and fathers, sons and daughters who were lost that day. They were attacked and killed not by Saddam Hussein but by Osama bin Laden.

And it is deeply immoral to compare a majority of Americans who oppose a failing policy and seek a winning one to appeasers of Fascism and Naziism."

in the Pepperdine speech - he outlines the conditions for a war to be a "just war" per At Augustine's concepts. They included things like being a war of last resort and preparing for the peace. (saying a war is not a war of last resort meant to me he was saying it wasn't a just war - thus immoral. That was likely as close as he could get in 2004.)



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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:12 PM
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9. Here are excepts from his remarks (from his website)
Edited on Thu Feb-15-07 06:13 PM by Mass

KERRY CALLS ON BUSH ADMINISTRATION TO PROPERLY EQUIP TROOPS
Says Lack of Body Armor for Soldiers, Vehicles is a “Disgrace”

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Excerpts of Kerry’s statement, as prepared, are included below:

Four years ago, we sent our young men and women to Iraq for a war that many of us now believe was a grave and tragic mistake. But day after day, and month after month, this Administration has repeatedly exacerbated that mistake by leaving our soldiers in the field without the equipment and protection they need—knowing full well what the lethal consequences would be.

...

But there should be no disagreement that we must give our troops everything they need to be as safe as they possibly can. There should be no disagreement that when we ask young men and women to leave their families to fight deadly foreign enemies halfway across the world, when we ask them to put their lives on the line—the very least we owe them is the equipment they need to protect themselves.

One soldier who dies from a roadside bomb because he doesn’t have enough armor is one too many.

And when it comes to body armor and armored vehicles, our troops are not getting what they need. According to The Washington Post this week, our soldiers are short more than 4,000 of the latest Humvee Armor Kit, the FRAG Kit 5. Fewer than half of the Army’s 14,500 up-armored Humvees in Iraq and Afghanistan have the latest equipment. As Lt. Gen. Stephen Speakes, the Army's deputy chief of staff for force development, said: “We don't have the kits, and we don't have the trucks."

And it’s not just armored vehicles that would keep our troops safer—they need better body armor too. People are actually holding bake sales to raise money to send body armor and helmets to the troops. Over a year ago, the Pentagon issued a report that many of the deaths in Iraq caused by upper body injuries could be prevented if all body armor issued to our troops included side armor plates. Some of my colleagues raised this issue with Secretary Rumsfeld, and he assured them that the Pentagon would begin procurement and delivery of an additional 230,000 sets of side armor plates.

But just last month, another Pentagon report found continued shortages in force-protection equipment for our soldiers—a shortage of body armor, a shortage of up-armored vehicles, a shortage of communications equipment, and a shortage of electronic countermeasure devices. We’ve also heard firsthand from troops that many are still being issued body armor without the side-armor plates.

How could anyone send our soldiers on the most dangerous patrols in the roughest neighborhoods of Baghdad without the best possible protection? In the last four years, over 1,100 Americans have died from roadside bombs. And thousands of our best troops have suffered debilitating injuries or had their lives permanently altered by these terrible weapons. Knowing full well that we don’t have enough armor for the troops already in the field, how can we possibly send more than 20,000 additional American soldiers to do a job that Iraqis ought be doing for themselves?

By themselves, these shortages are troubling, but the President’s plan to send over 20,000 more troops makes them even more calamitous. And now we hear that the troops pouring into Iraq won’t have enough up-armored Humvees and other armored vehicles until July. How can we send over 20,000 soldiers in now when the armor their lives depend on won’t arrive until July? How can we justify this policy to the mother of a soldier killed in a Humvee without proper armor? How can we explain it to a wounded soldier at Walter Reed whose injury could have been prevented with the right equipment?

The technology already exists to keep our troops safer—so why, four years later, don’t our they have it? Partly, it’s due to gross incompetence at the highest levels of the Bush administration. But mostly, the fact is that this Administration never mobilized the country for the war in Iraq. Since we invaded, the need for a fleet of vehicles that can keep our troops safe has been unmistakable. And yet we’ve kept relying on a single provider of up-armored Humvees. That’s right, one provider. And given the chronic shortfalls we’ve seen, that was clearly insufficient.

But even after all we’ve heard, over several years, about our soldiers lacking equipment and armor, this Administration still doesn’t seem to get it. The President’s defense budget request for next year doesn’t include funds for enough armored vehicles, and so the Marine Corps had to ask Congress for an additional $2.8 billion to buy more Mine Resistant Ambush-Protected vehicles. Going back to 2002, the Bush administration terminated funding for one alternative vehicle more suited to the battlefield in Iraq because of what they called different “budget priorities.”

We need to give our soldiers extra body armor and the latest up-armored Humvees they need to do their job as safely as they can. But ultimately we need to fix this failed policy and provide a responsible strategy for ending the war. That is why I will again introduce a resolution to the Senate that offers us the best chance to salvage some measure of success in Iraq. The troops ought to be protected for as long as they police Iraqi streets, but they shouldn’t be policing those streets in the first place. We can and must bring our combat troops home within a year.

We need to create a whole new dynamic on the ground by setting a one-year deadline for redeployment of our troops—leaving only those necessary to finish training Iraqi security forces, conduct counterterrorism operations, and protect our facilities and personnel.

Iraqis need to take responsibility for Iraq. We need to recognize that Iraqis have shown over and over again that they only respond to deadlines– a deadline to transfer authority, deadlines to hold two elections and a referendum, and a deadline to form a government. Without hard deadlines, our best hopes for progress in Iraq have been dashed by squabbling politicians unwilling to take responsibility for their country’s future.

Deadlines are also necessary to instill a sense of urgency in Iraq’s neighbors and the international community. Setting a deadline drives home a basic but essential point: None of Iraq’s neighbors want chaos on their borders. None of them want to see Iraq fall apart. But the status quo works well for a country like Iran—they are delighted to see us bogged down while they expand their influence in Iraq. By setting a deadline, we can help change their strategic calculus so that their interest in preventing chaos in Iraq is stronger than their desire to see us bogged down there. Setting a deadline also signals to Iraq’s Sunni neighbors that the time has finally come to pressure Sunnis inside Iraq to make the hard compromises necessary to bring about a lasting political solution.

But none of that will be accomplished by sending in over 20,000 more troops. None of that will be accomplished with a mere shift in tactics. We need a whole new strategy. Here’s the surge we ought to be talking about: We should be making an aggressive push to bring together the various factions inside and outside Iraq to begin taking ownership of the future of the country and the region. With a one year deadline I believe we could really make things happen diplomatically.

The mistakes we have already made cannot be undone— but that does not mean we’re doomed to repeat them. The soldiers in the field already bear the burden of this Administration’s decision to invade Iraq and lack of a postwar plan. Many of them paid for it with their lives. They bear this burden with incredible courage, resilience, and guts.

They go out and do their job, even as their mission amidst another country’s civil war becomes less and less clear every day. They shouldn’t have to bear that burden without the best protection we can offer. It’s time to get this right, once and for all, and not send any more Americans into harm’s way without a strategy to guide them and without the equipment they need to protect them.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:16 PM
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10. kick
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