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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:53 AM
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Citigroup problem radiates through the financial system...
The Nov 4 New York Times below reports that "Citigroup's board is highly likely to nominate Robert E. Rubin,... as its interim chairman," at its emergency Sunday board meeting. Rubin would replace Citigroup CEO Charles Prince III, who reportedly has been forced to resign. Prince's resignation, if confirmed, would be the second resignation, within the past 96 hours, of a CEO at a major U.S. financial institution, following that of Merrill Lynch CEO Stanley O'Neal.

The Citigroup shake-up follows a deepening melt-down at the world's either first or second largest financial institution. Under Prince and his mentor, the previous Citigroup CEO, Sandy Weil, Citigroup wildly expanded, increasing its total assets from $1.09 trillion in 2002, to $2.35 trillion at the end of the third quarter of 2007, a doubling in less than five years. Often, Citigroup invested heavily in financial markets shaped by and under the domination of the City of London financiers.

Citigroup has the following speculative investments:

- $80 billion in radioactive, off-balance sheet Structured Investment Vehicles (SIVs). Altogether, Citigroup has 7 SIVs, with names like Dorada and Sedna Finance, 4 of which were created in and are steered from the Cayman Islands.
- $60 billion in off-balance sheet Conduits, which are also speculative vehicles, operating under slightly different rules.
- At least $20 billion in Collaterialized Debt Obligations (CDO).
- More than $70 billion in assets-backed securities, based on credit card cash flows.

All of these markets are either outright catering disaster, or facing serious problems. The most problematic are the SIVs. An SIV must by law have sufficient paid-in equity (the value of the stock that it sold), such that the equity represents "stored funds" which could cover those losses/writedowns suffered on the SIV's senior debt. To state it simply, were the losses on the SIV's senior debt to exceed the value of the SIV's paid-in equity, the SIV must effectively be shut down. It appears that some of Citibank's SIVs, are headed toward or may have crossed the danger line, had strict accounting principles been in force.

On Thursday Nov. 1, Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce analyst Meredith Whitney stated that Citigroup would have to increase its capital by $30 billion to cover problems. The statement, which is true, caused tremors throughout the international financial system, and there was a mass dumping of Citigroup stock, which led to the Dow Jones average dropping by 362 points.

This precipitated widespread fear, and prompted the U.S. Federal Reserve, through three separate interventions, to inject $41 billion in short term liquidity into the U.S. banking system--all on Nov. 1, the largest one-day intervention since September 2001, after the 9/11 attacks.

The Citigroup situation is made more dangerous by two further problems. First, were there ruptures at Citigroup, this could detonate its derivatives holdings of $34.9 trillion in notional value, which would bring down the world's $750 trillion-plus derivatives market, and the entire world monetary system. Second, Citigroup is America's largest bank, and thus at the heart of the world's dollar-based system. A melt-down here would have many other far-reaching consequences.


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November 4, 2007
Ex-Treasury Chief Robert E. Rubin to Fill In at Citigroup
By ERIC DASH


Citigroup’s board is highly likely to name Robert E. Rubin, the former Treasury secretary and an influential adviser to its embattled leader, as its interim chairman at an emergency meeting today, according to a person briefed on the situation.

The move is intended to reassure Wall Street while the board looks for a new chief executive to replace Charles O. Prince III, who is expected to resign as chairman and chief executive as early as today. The company has suffered major losses as a result of its large exposure to bad loans and mortgage-related securities.

A group of core executives will remain in their places, but the board still needs to determine whether to appoint an acting chief executive or a committee of top executives to oversee the bank, this person said. That suggests that while Mr. Rubin’s responsibilities will broaden, he continues to balk at supervising the bank’s daily operations. Mr. Rubin has long insisted that he does not want to take over as chief executive.

Christina Pretto, a Citigroup spokeswoman, declined to comment. Mr. Rubin also would not comment.

Mr. Rubin’s standing at Citigroup has long been contentious. In better times, his role as a board member and chairman of the bank’s executive committee was often referred to as the “best job in the world.”

He has collected more than $150 million in cash and stock over eight years to serve as the bank’s elder statesman, meeting with important clients and building relationships with government and business leaders around the world, though his contract states that he is to have no daily operational responsibilities.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/business/04bank.html?n=Top/News/Business/Companies/Citigroup%20Inc.&_r=1&pagewanted=print

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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:04 AM
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1. 150 mill over 8 yrs as a figurehead?
no wonder Citi has financial problems.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:08 AM
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2. Our mortage was held by ABN-AMRO and recently purchased by
Citimortgage. This morning I heard a brief article that their mortgage group was being hit hard too. Can someone explain to me what happens if your mortager takes a huge hit? How does it affect your mortgage?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:13 AM
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3. unless you have a variable rate, it will not impact you much
if one company is ready to go under, the portfolio of performing loans will be packaged and sold off to someone else. They will own the paper and step into the shoes of Citi or any other mortgagor.

the two places where people are being hit hard is the banks that underwrote shitty loans, with great promises of income, and the hedge fund folks who gambled on more of a boom and property valuation inflation, rather than a collapse of the market.

Those thieves who sold bad polices, packaged them up, resold them to banks and hedge fund speculators, made out like bandits.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:18 AM
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4. Your mortgage remains unaffected, you now pay Citigroup rather than
...the previous mortgage holder. However, don't miss a payment or allow payments to be late on your mortgage under the new holder Citigroup, as they would place you into immediate default and bring about foreclosure proceedings without blinking an eye.
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baseballhead Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:27 AM
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6. Basically,
Your mortgage remains unaffected. Citigroup makes loans, packages them based on certain factors, and sells them to investors. When you make your mortgage payment a large portion of your interest goes to the investor on your mortgage and a small amount goes to your mortgage servicer (the one you make your check out to). The servicer is charged with collecting your payment, escrowing and paying your taxes and insurance,etc. Right now investors are not buying a lot of loans, so if you take out a mortgage right now, the originator ie, Citigroup (citimortgage)has to sit on the loan (service it themselves) until they find investors to buy it. So basically every time they make a loan they are losing money. If your credit is less than stellar you will find it harder to get a loan because it will be a harder loan to sell.
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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:30 AM
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7. Your mortgage is an asset to the holder. You still have to pay whoever buys it.
Even if a company goes bankrupt, the assets will be sold off to try to pay debts.

There's no mechanism for getting out of paying your mortgage.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:22 AM
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5. Lyndon Larouche.
You need to cite all of your sources. Where did you get the first part - the part in italics? It appears to have originated here:

http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/04/citigroup-problem-radiates-through-financial-system.html

That site belongs to Larouche PAC, which is Lyndon Larouche's political PAC. While I have no doubt that Citigroup is in major financial difficulty, the hysterical stuff about it bringing down "the entire world monetary system" is pure speculation from a man who, among other things, has accused the Queen of England of being a drug dealer.

Many consider the man to be a crackpot and his followers to be almost like cult members.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Lyndon_LaRouche
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