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Dracos Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:13 PM
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Libby Is Guilty
Libby is guilty. And he's going to be found guilty. The jury might not convict him on all counts, but he has no chance of surviving the perjury count that was proved beyond a reasonable doubt with Tim Russert's testimony.

The multi-million dollar defense, which provided no defense at all, did not call Libby to the witness stand for one very simple reason: Libby is very very guilty. Publicly, defense lawyers cling to the text book theory that the defendant has no burden of proof and that no negative inference should ever be taken when a defendant doesn't defend himself on the witness stand. Practically, every defense lawyer knows that the jury desperately wants to hear from the defendant and that the only reason not to put him on the stand is that he is soooo guilty that every answer he gives after his name will eradicate any shred of reasonable doubt. Think about it. Your whole life is at stake in the outcome of a criminal trial. You're innocent. And you don't testify in your own defense? Around the courthouse when defense lawyers are chatting about their cases, the only question they ask each other is can you put your guy on the stand? Those conversations always assume the defendant is guilty. The question is just about the degree of difficulty in presenting a defense.

Libby's defense gave up before the opening statements in the trial. They always knew Libby was too guilty to put on the witness stand. And they were never going to call the Vice President. Telling the judge that they were going to call Libby and Cheney was just a mirage they were trying to create to misdirect Patrick Fitzgerald's focus. I'd be shocked if Fitzgerald was fooled for even a second.

If Libby called Cheney, it actually would have hurt his defense and been a hostile act to the White House. Cheney would have been humiliated by Fitzgerald's cross-examination and Libby would have forever lost his chief pardon advocate in the White House.

From the start, Libby's hopeless courtroom defense has been about the pardon. Libby has conducted a defense that is very friendly to the White House. He has made it clear to the White House that he had the power to call the Vice President, but, good soldier that he is, he declined to put Cheney through that ordeal.

Last year, I told Keith Olbermann on MSNBC that Libby's highly publicized defense-fund fundraiser was really the first step in the pardon campaign. Libby is a very rich man. He didn't need the defense fund. He needed the public rally with Mary Matalin types walking the virtual red carpet on the way in singing his praises as a great public servant. Fred Thompson, the senator-actor, did a version of this at the trial--showing up, giving "moral" support, then offering his TV prosecutor view of how unfair the Libby prosecution is. Look for the popular TV prosecutor to play an important role in the pardon campaign.

Libby knows more than his lawyers do about the next stage of his legal proceedings. Libby helped obtain the sleaziest pardon that Bill Clinton issued on his way out of the White House. Clinton pardoned Libby's client, the fugitive billionaire Marc Rich, over the unanimous objections of the White House staff. When Cheney hand-delivers Libby's pardon application to President Bush, who is going to object?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-odonnell/libby-is-guilty_b_41313.html
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:14 PM
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1. I have no doubt that he will be pardoned...
...his reward for not calling Cheney. They couldn't be more obvious.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:15 PM
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2. Guilty as hell.
He'll serve at least 4.5 years in prison.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:17 PM
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7. Betcha he serves NO tme!
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:16 PM
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3. What about the defense claim that Libby is a scapegoat for Rove?
I wouldn't call that part of the defense very friendly to the WH, except that they didn't really put much effort into trying to actually prove it.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:19 PM
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9. You raise a very
important point. Not only were they saying that poor Scooter was being tossed under the bus, but it is known that Rove told the grand jury that Libby had told him that Russert had brought up Plame in their conversation. that makes Team Libby's decision to not call Rove seem mighty curious, indeed.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:22 PM
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11. What's your take on this claim?
You probably have talked about this before, but I am way behind the curve on this issue.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:26 PM
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13. I think that
Team Libby has some talented attorneys. But they had a client who was guilty as hell, and who had trapped himself in a series of lies. I do not think that the defense team has opened the door to any serious issues to appeal. Libby will serve 54 months in prison before being paroled.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:32 PM
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15. I trust you are correct.
My big fantasy is that Libby will flip, but in all reality, I don't look for that to happen. IMHO,he'd have to be facing life in prison to ever flip. Maybe Fitz has other, more serious charges against Libby that would create that scenario.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:16 PM
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Earlier discussion:
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:16 PM
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4. Yep!
He'll be found guilty I expect also.
One PNACer down, eleven to go.
:hi:
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:19 PM
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8. he'll get...
two years...
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:17 PM
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5. The million dollar defense team funded by Tucker Carlson's father
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:17 PM
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6. It all depends on the jury.
n/t
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:20 PM
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10. Fitz doesn't lose very many cases.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:24 PM
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12. Well, it worked for OJ.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:27 PM
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14. "If he leaked...then he must be impeached!"
Sorry, my best Cochran imitation.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:41 PM
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16. He's going to be found guilty
The number 1 reason that defense lawyers ALWAYS want to put the defendant on the stand is because they want the defendant to tell the jury, with a straight face, they did not do it. Period. That Libby didn't go on the stand says very clearly the defense knew they could do that without getting him into more trouble, possibly dragging some people from the WH down with him.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:51 PM
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17. Someone should ask W hypothetically that if Scooter goes to jail
if he'll recieve a pardon. Afterall W was so adamant about finding out who the leaker was.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 07:18 PM
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18. Is there anything
to stop the abuses of the 'presidential pardon'? I mean WHY should the executive be able to override the decisions of the justice system? Couldn't this work differently? It seems to be an opportunity for the president's insiders to do anything they like.

Just not right.
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