JOHN DEAN-CHENEY PLAN: IF Dem Wins-THEY WILL BE DESTROYED-So Exec Power Remains Upon Repub Return

[kpete]

John Dean Challenges America: Fix This Broken Government

A BUZZFLASH INTERVIEW

It's quite a stunning explanation of how they feel the presidency should run. For example, they think that when Reagan left office with very high approval ratings, it was like dying rich. They think the president should be down to single digits if he's doing things right, because he's such an authoritarian figure, he's not going to be terribly popular. Well, Bush looks like he's trying to fulfill that image for them.

-- John Dean, author, Broken Government: How Republican Rule Destroyed the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial Branches

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JOHN DEAN: Bush is not a theorist; he is not a long-visioned man. It's Cheney who is trying to get these powers in fast while they can, pushing the envelope constantly to build this enormously powerful presidency. He's been convinced, even before 9/11, that we need a dominant president, this unitary executive theory. It doesn't matter that they may well not have a Republican in power. In that case, they will then turn to the tactic of trying to see if they can destroy the person who's actually there, while keeping those powers.


BuzzFlash: So if a Democrat gets in, they bring the Democrat down, as they tried to do with Clinton, beginning with the Arkansas project that resulted in the impeachment process.


JOHN DEAN: That's exactly the game they play.


BuzzFlash: Even if a Democrat wins, the idea is to weaken them to the point they can't use the powers we've created for the presidency -- but the power will be there for when we return.


JOHN DEAN: That's what they will attempt.

much more at:
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/interviews/084

[Dhalgren]

1. How do you stop a conspiracy like this?

How can these mobsters be stopped? Will we get the usual chorus of "rational adults" who will shout us all down, while screaming "conspiracy theories!" :eyes:

This all makes Musharref (sp.) look like a ham-handed amateur, doesn't it?

In a society bases almost totally on consumerism, the mere threat of loss of income turns every knee into jelly, every backbone into foam, every patriot into a collaborator...

[mod mom]

19. IMPEACHMENT and prosecution for their crimes.

[leeroysphitz]

24. Consumerism. You've just nailed it.

There was a reason for the expansion of easy credit and the stagnation of real wages that began in the 70s.

[seemslikeadream]

28. It would be a good idea if we could discuss conspiracies again in GD

The gagging of Sibel Edmonds
The outing of Valerie Plame
The war in Iraq
COLLUSION: INTERNATIONAL ESPIONAGE AND THE WAR ON TERROR.
Iran/Contra - George Bush Sr.
BCCI
Tuskegee Syphilis Study
IBM and the Holocaust
Operation Mockingbird
The Manhattan Project
The Catholic Church covering up the pedophila by priests
Enron
Watergate
The Gulf of Tonkin Incident
Vietnam and Other American Fantasies (Culture, Politics, and the Cold War)
Live American POWs in Vietnam
Internal Combustion
philanthropies launched a national campaign of ethnic cleansing in the United States
"Fixing" of intelligence around the desire to invade Iraq --- October Surprise
"Black Box Voting" and computer hacking of elections -- See: VOTESCAM
Operation Gladio
MK-ultra.
COINTELPRO: The FBI's War on Black America
Watergate -- including "black bag jobs" and "The Huston Plan"
Operation Paperclip
CIA coups on democratically elected leaders all around the world ---
CIA-backed death squads in El Salvado
Operation Northwoods
Savings & Loan Theft and Embezzlements
The Drug War is also an obvious conspiracy
CIA-Contra-Crack Cocaine connection
Operation Phoenix, torture program in Vietnam
GULF WAR ILLNESS
Control Room -- Propaganda of the Iraq War
Watergate
The Other Side: An Interview with William Blum
1990 Testimony of Nayirah:
The Mafia
The Dreyfus Affair
Echelon
Ashcroft stopped flying on commercial aircraft before 9/11
Corporatocracy
Hitler really was out to exterminate Jews.
Bernard Ebbers convicted of fraud and conspiracy 180 billion dollar loss to investors.
Secret CIA Prisons
Secret Bombing of Cambodia
Operation Midnight Climax
Operation PBSUCCESS
Operation Ajax
General Motors streetcar conspiracy
De Beers was charged by the United States Justice Department with Sherman Antitrust Act
Indonesian occupation of East Timor
USS LIBERTY
Suppressing Sarkhan
London Police Found Guilty of Health and Safety Failures in Brazilian's Shooting Death
Brzezinski What's most important to the history of the world the Taliban or collapse of SovietEmpire
Curveball REVEALED!!
Subpoenaed: Rice, Hadley et al. in espionage case

[paparush]

29. With Torches and Pitchforks and Bricks and Baseball Bats.. In the Streets

[OHdem10]

2. If anyone makes it their business to monitor TV andesp.

RW Media including publications, they would see J Dean is correct.

I will give it to the GOP--they do not give up and permit themselves
to look like Wimps. All one has to do is scan C-Spam programming and
they will find every Rightie and Right Wing Group are there
presenting Programming as if they are still in power. They have
their Young Republicans reading Hayek, DeToqueville, Goldwaters
The Conscience of a Conservative.

I say Watch Newt: AmericanSolutions. At least Newt is open
and Democrats are stupid enough to act dismissive of him.
He will tell you how to hit HRC. Plantgate is silly according
to Newt and he is right. Instead, he has surveys which show
him the topics which bring gut reactions in American People.
"Do you believe Engish is official language./ " Force her
to answer before the camera. Newt goes for the jugular.

He says he is planning for 2012 Without coming out and saying
it--he figures things will be so bad in the Country and the
Democratic President can be blamed===Gop will be swept back
into office.

My point is no matter how bad things have gotten for the GOP
they believe in that wrongheaded stuff enough that they
just dig in and go for another strategy.

This is why I consider Congress(House and Senate) much more
important. We need to get some real Democrats in there. We
need the numbers to fight back and move legislation. The GOP
can have heart as long as we put Right Leaning Dems in office.
They can be co-opted and GOP know this. Perhaps someone should
whisper a word of admonishment to Rahm Emmanue..

[DCKit]

3. $200 Million to Impeach for a Blowjob....

Yeah, I'd say this is an accurate OP.

[Joanne98]

4. All the Democrats have to do is TELL THE PUBLIC!

There are a lot of Americans who already know this but they are waiting for some LEADERSHIP!!!!!!!

[Wednesdays]

8. Uh, on which show?

Rush Limbaugh's? Bill O'Reilly's? Michael Savage's? Sean Hannity's?

The fascists OWN the airwaves. If it weren't for Keith Olbermann, we'd have nothing...and all it would take is one little phone call and he'd be gone, too.

[rhett o rick]

30. Two things: How do you tell the public. "They" own all the news outlets, and if you could tell the

public, not many want to hear. Most of my friends and acquaintances are ambivalent about politics.

[L. Coyote]

5. K & R + "That's exactly the game they play." IT IS NOT A GAME

[Monk06]

6. John Dean is on the way to becoming one of the most important of America's public intellectuals.

[smoogatz]

7. They're autocrats with no interest in government of/for the people.

All they want is power. The corporate media are complicit; the big corporations that write their paychecks are clearly in league with the radical fascists that have been trying to sieze power in this country since 1933. The Democratic party leadership is complicit, too, to the extent that they've refused to act to protect the rule of law and enforce the constitution. The answer is probably to move to Canada (or Norway, maybe), because given our current electoral system I don't think there's any way to even marginally diminish corporate/ist influence on government in this country.

[riderinthestorm]

9. The next Dem president is going to long for the "good old days"

when a $400 haircut was their biggest worry. When you contemplate how insane this country was over Clinton's blowjob, and that whole bizarre circus, I shudder to think about what's ahead for the next Dem.

We speak about the complicity with the corporations amongst the top leadership of BOTH parties - and how there isn't any real difference between them. But if/when the Rethugs shred the next Dem pres, will the Dem side be prepared to deflect the almost certain attack? The Dems have to know this game is afoot right?! Right?

And doesn't that indicate that there are still two sides? Even if it's just a fucking game to the power elites about which side makes the most money, who scores the biggest deal, who rapes the American middle class the most....

This country's leadership (sic) is rapidly beginning to rival some of Africa's most corrupt governments in the rape of their nations' wealth. The scale of it is breathtaking.

[KharmaTrain]

10. Some Will Be Curbed, Others Won't

Call it take a mile, be happy with a foot. I suspect in the wake of the abuses of this regime, we'll see a new round of investigations and legislation on the extent of executive powers...with a BUT attached. For example, I can see a rollback of the vapid wiretapping BUT there still will be a loophole in the legislation that will exempt the executive in time of "national crisis" or "extraordinary circumstance".

The problem is there are so many messes that will need to be cleaned up by this regime, some of those very powers may be needed to get the job done...then what?

[Raffi Ella]

11. .

And here we sit while "they" commit crime after crime - so much so that Democrats can't even BEGIN to keep up with the latest one - and what do WE DO??We spew back Republican smear rhetoric against our own god damned Party.

YES Congress could be doing more but For fucks sake!So could WE!

I'm sick of seeing The Democratic Party slammed so hard @ D.U. God Damn if they ever needed our support they need it NOW!

[bdamomma]

18. exactly we are playing right into the * Cheney plan.

but I will never trust a repig to run or should I use the term ruin this country again. They are for their big business friends and fcuk the middle class.

[Dhalgren]

21. Don't you see? Don't you get it? If the Democratic Party continues

to behave in the way it currently does, IT is playing into the Republican hands! The Democratic Party is still talking about "compromise" and "bipartisanship" and "healing the divide" - that is bullshit! That is the way the Republicans want the Democrats to act! The Democratic Party is walking right into the buzz-saw and refuses to even pretend to look at reality! No, if the Democrats want strong support, they have to earn strong support! The Democratic Party is getting set-up and it is being set-up by its own leadership!

[guruoo]

25. Yeah, it appears they can now sit back and watch Dems do the job for them

preemptively

[kelligesq]

12. Dean on how Bush & Cheney have stacked civil service

-snip-

"the Executive Branch. It doesn't seem repairable as long as Bush and Cheney are in power. They seem to be going for enhanced unitary executive authority.


John Dean: It's true. In fact, the bottom line for this affair is going to be removing Republicans from the Executive Branch. They have embedded so many people, contrary to the Civil Service laws, that it's going to take not just 2008, but 2012, 2016, and possibly 2020 and 2024 to clear this problem up. If the public ever becomes aware of this, it's going to be a long time before they ever let another Republican back in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. "

[Usrename]

13. Chris Floyd says it well, too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2269467

"Oh, but the Democrats are being cagey, we are told; they're being savvy, being tactical. They're holding their fire, playing it cool, not wanting to appear divisive or partisan, just waiting for the presidency to fall back into their hands in 2008. And then, and then....

Then what? The Democratic nominee looks certain to be Hillary Clinton -- whose husband buried a whole boatload of previous Bush crimes after he took office in 1993, as Robert Parry reports in his book, Secrecy and Privilege. If Clinton I had allowed justice to pursue the various Bush I scandals to the end, we would have been spared the hideous, murderous farce of Bush II's reign. The name of Bush would have been so rightly tainted that L'il Pretzel would never have gotten anywhere near close enough to steal the 2000 election. Is there anyone who believes that Clinton II would pursue Bush II's manifold crimes any more diligently than her husband?"

[Land Shark]

14. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, key republican operatives try to appear to make nice, see

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_paul_leh_071110_opednews_exclusive_3b_.htm (Grover Norquist finds "common ground" with left, right and center on election transparency) Common ground does in fact exist there, but that doesn't mean they don't want to conquer that common ground...

[rucky]

15. Would a D President keep those executive powers?

Gawd I hope not.

And Congress needs to do something to put the damn signing statements in check.

[bdamomma]

16. excellent interview with John Dean.

the repigs are using all of us, to show us the Dems are the do nothing party, for their own selfish, greedy needs, seems to be working for them too, cause we keep slam banging the Dems, but there is no way in hell I will ever vote for a repig, everyone seems to forget they are the DO NOTHING party, and just following the BCF over the cliff.

[Johonny]

17. I think

the incredibly weak economy, eroding of the infrastructure and a spent military are kind of going to be a problem. They are going to end up the most powerful fish in a very small pond.

[pacalo]

20. I've had this thought for years & I'm glad to hear that John Dean believes it, too.

Who can you picture as the next president having to take on this type of offensive? Whoever it will be will have to be able to withstand the pressure & give as good as what is dished out.

[Kurovski]

22. K&R. (nt)

[Senator]

23. So It's A Bushcheney Impeachment Now OR Another "Clinton Impeachment" Later

You can have the "divisive" Georgetown cocktail parties now, or have them later.

Now saves lives and stops ongoing torture.

Your choice Madame Squeaker.

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[KoKo]

26. So...go to the polls ...Elect Hillary...live with 4 years of Bush Wiretap Scandal from

following Bill around...and then Jeb comes into power to redeem the "good Bush name" that the "Evil Son Chimpy" trashed and we go "round and round and round and round."

What's accomplished when we put Hillary/Bill back in power? A chance for Bill to redeem his Monica Affair...but this time Murdock and Mellon-Scaife and Wall St. are ON THEIR SIDE! (Golf Trips/Tsunami Relief and kissy kissy?)

Sounds like a bargain bad for America, IMHO! But many are looking for a Clinton Restoration not a Gore Restoration or even a RESTORATION of our CONSTITUTION. They just want peace and quiet and a "known/Unknown" to be back in the WH. (I'm borrowing Rummy's language about "known, knowns..and unknown knowns and knowns that can't be known...etc..)

[FatDave]

27. Can't we just march them all into a fucking volcano?

Call it "FatDave's final solution" if you want, those fuckers are irredeemable.

[undergroundpanther]

31. I nominate Fat Dave's solution

Round them all up and march them all and their corporate sponsors and good ole boys associates into a live volcano..That works for me!