It appears to me america being a great country ended when

[blues90]

JFK was shot down in Dallas , since this time we have been on a down hill slide .

At that time we would have never dreamed we would be sitting here with something like bush and a global screwed up world with absolutely no way of making this work .

I don;t care what many people say , I hear it's going to take time and many ideas of how to make this global economy work are floating around but we are all different in our laws and leaderships and governments and money .

To me a global economy is a pipe dream of the worst kind and will never work , especially now that america is hated around the globe and cannot be trusted .

We can't even get our own country to work in a reliable way and have fallen and failed in so many respects .

[Virginia Dare]

1. A global economy means...

concentrating wealth among an increasingly smaller group of people, JFK knew that, and it's probably one of the things that got him killed.

[Az]

2. I don't know what it is going to take to reverse it

But I fear it may be collapse rather than reason that will wake the majority of people.

[villager]

3. I fear you may be right...

n/t

[Double T]

4. Agreed. The wall street CON JOB is NO LONGER working...........

You can NOT integrate world economies WITHOUT a tremendous fallout for the working or middle class. Our own government has sold out this nation's middle class, the question is what do 'WE' do to stop it??

[Bitwit1234]

5. This administration wants WORLD DOMINATION

and a screw up like bush as the leader. He can be soooooooooo easily manipulated. After all --- just praise him. He eats that up.

[deutsey]

6. Well, Jack Ruby himself alluded to some kind of larger, sinister purpose

to the assassination.

Jack Ruby: Everything pertaining to what's happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts, of what occurred, my motives. The people had , that had so much to gain and had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I'm in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world.
Reporter : Are these people in very high positions Jack ??
Jack : Yes.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/neal.mccarthy/jfkvideos.htm

In my more tinfoil hat moments, I think these "people in very high places" were trying to install an authoritarian regime back then, but it all fell apart (and was partially exposed) with Nixon's bungling.

Then the Reagan/Bush crowd, which had learned from their "mistakes" in Watergate etc., resumed the plan in the '80s and it's been steadily taking root ever since.

[Prophet 451]

8. The tinfoil hat may not be wrong

Rule of thumb: Even the most whacked out crazy has a chain of logic and a reason for everything he does. It might not make sense to us but it always makes sense to them. There is a reason behind the tinfoil hat. It's based on a misunderstanding but there is nevertheless, a kind of logic to it.

What's my point? That you may well be right. A lot of people had a lot to gain from Kennedy's death but the right clearly had more to gain than most and probably would have done had Nixon not overreached and, more importantly, screwed it up. The nature of party politics is inherantly conspiratorial. It is based around the principle of small groups of like-minded people exerting an influence on the party and through the party, on the electorate.

[deutsey]

10. I highly recommend reading "The Pinochet File" if you haven't

It tells, based on recently declassified CIA/government documents (which are included in the book), how Nixon and Kissinger and elements of the CIA fomented a "coup climate" in Chile to stop Allende and, ultimately, how they were behind the bloody, fascist takeover on 9/11/73.

All the tactics they used to subvert democracy there are being used (and have been for some time) here in America, imo.

[Prophet 451]

18. I've not read the book

but among the saner conspiracy researchers, it's been commonly believed for a long time. Nice to have it confirmed though.

[Az]

20. Those would be called the NeoCons

And its not quite as nefarious as you are making it seem. But it is a threat. The NeoCons have no where near the control that most conspiracy theories would postulate. They are fallible and often times shown to be idiots. But they do have influence and the system has shifted (due in part to political manipulation) to favor their sort of tactics. But their control is far from complete and likely never will be.

[deutsey]

21. I think it goes deeper than the Neocons

but hope you're right.

[Prophet 451]

7. You're probably right

It seems to me that the assassination of JFK (and later, RFK and MLK) caused the beginning of a hard-right swerve for the country, one that led to Reagan, was interrupted briefly by Clinton and finally to the Chimp. Perhaps, after such decline, this is the USA's fall. Perhaps that will finally wake the people.

[Bucky]

9. Thanks for the reminder that ending segregation was part of our downhill slide.

[demnan]

11. That sounds right

JFK was assassinated and we got embroiled in the Vietnam war. We still had Democrats in power so there was also a highly successful War on Poverty which has eventually enabled blacks and rural poor whites to become middle class. That was a dream of JFK and his vision, so even though Johnson brought it about, he did so out of respect for Kennedy.

When we lost Kennedy we lost our vision, our dreams and our hope. Then we started losing the other great ones, Malcom X, Dr. King and Robert Kennedy.

Each time we lost another great one, things got worse.

Then we lost John Lennon and that looked like the end to me. I didn't think things could get worse --

until Ronald Reagan was elected.

[lectrobyte]

12. We can argue about the exact date, I think Ike's warning about the

Military-Industrial Complex was sort of a last-chance sign on the road to where we are now, but other than that I agree 100% with you.

[nancyr]

13. I agree with you.

[Jim Warren]

14. Ike said it

JFK got it.

[blues90]

15. That's true

The military industrial complex Ike warned us about was also most likey why JFK was murdered . And yes this is why we are stuck in this hell today .

[pampango]

16. A global economy is a reality that is not going away, unless

you are planning to eliminate international trade completely. You could do that if the US built high walls around the country like with high tariffs. We could exist without having to deal with foreigner made goods, kind of in our own isolationist cocoon.

The trick, unless you wish to go all the way to no trade at all, is to figure out how much and what kinds of trade to allow and what to discourage.

[genie_weenie]

17. America was only a "Great" Country if

you had power and were not a member of the untouchable class. Which has included the following: African American, Irish, non-property holders, women, Native Americans, a member of the working class, and more...

[Kickin_Donkey]

19. I don't know about that ...

Segregation was still the norm in many parts of the country in 1963.

[blues90]

22. Segregation still seems to exist in many parts of the US

Nothing ever seems to change for the better , there are too many people who want everything a certain way , their way reguardless if it's right or wrong .

We still battle gay issues and race issues . This has been ramped up since this Iraq war broke out bringing the middle east into the mix even though it's been an issue .

There is free choice for those chosen to be allowed to have it .

We all bleed and we all have hopes and dreams , this is where we are all the same however try to convince people this is all that needs to be looked at .