Local military family w/son in Iraq dropping support for Chimp

[karlrschneider]

I'm seeing more and more of this lately

http://www.kotv.com/news/topstory/?id=120570

[lonestarnot]

1. Every drop in the bucket helps.

[Monkeyman]

2. Its not a drop Military Families are turning big time

[lligrd]

3. Good, Hopefully This Will End The Invalid Argument That Being

Anti-Illegal, Immoral War makes you unpatriotic and means you don't support the troops, once and for all.

[lonestarnot]

22. That has a certain ring to it.

Music to my ears.

[karlrschneider]

4. Yep, it does. And thank you!

:hug:
:D

[Catch22Dem]

5. Hey Karl...Okla is the last place I'd expect to read this article

I don't need to tell you that though.

[karlrschneider]

7. KOTV mentioned it briefly on the evening news. It amazed me too.

:-)

[Bigmack]

6. This is really starting to bother me....

People are beginning to lose faith in Dumbshit and the war.

When the US was all "mission accomplished" and bulgy in the flight suit, along with the Chimp-in-Chief, military families... and the vast majority of Murikans.... supported the war. Cool... the US was only killing some brown people and losing a few of our own.

Now that the bodies are coming home more often and some alive but missing large parts, this war is just no fun anymore.

Sorry to be such an asshole - maybe I'm just fucking tired of the stupidity connected to this thing - but lots of us didn't want this war in the first place because people were going to die for nothing.

I see people turning against the war not because it's wrong, but because it's not a nice clean victory against inferior people.

If I'm just being a cranky old fart, tell me.

[calimary]

8. That makes two cranky old farts, my friend. Myself included.

I'm glad these people finally come around. FINALLY. But shit - WE ALL KNEW. We knew FROM THE BEGINNING that this was bad and bound to get worse. We tried like hell to warn everyone. Millions of us marched and protested and petitioned and emailed and phoned and faxed and wrote letters and LTTEs and blogged. MILLIONS of us.

Denial runs awfully deep. To have been for the war (and accordingly, for "Our President") and then change your mind is also to say you got it wrong the first time - for WHATEVER reason. If you were lied to, fine, and in fact, you WERE. But to admit to that, seems to me, is more than some people can bear. One HATES to be wrong. One HATES to have to admit to being deceived, fooled, played, punked, made a chump of, royally had. That's embarrassing. It's hard to face. Hard to admit. Hard to live down - ESPECIALLY while knowing that thousands of our fellow citizens and who knows how many others DIED as a result of it. That is DAMNED HARD to admit. I might want to run from it, too. And for a lot of people, especially the ones prancing around wrapped in the flag and flipping the finger at the rest of us and calling us names, it's awfully hard to stick your tail between your legs and have to come forward with your hat in your hand. Awfully hard to tell someone you sneered at - that THEY were correct and YOU were screwed up. Awfully hard. I have no way of knowing and I sure don't have any PhD in anything, but it seems to clear to me that this is the dynamic in play now. There are some who will go to their graves insisting they were right - because they aren't grown up enough to face a different conclusion. They'd rather keep on fooling themselves. It's a lot less painful. Especially if it's somebody else, or somebody else's kid, who has to go over there and die, or come limping back missing a leg or an arm.

Detestable. They are the FIRST ones who should be suiting up and heading for some troop transport to go over there and put their own hotshot, know-it-all, queen-of-denial money where their mouths (and their egos) are.

It takes guts and true adulthood to read - AND COMPREHEND - the writing on the wall. Or even to recognize it. A lot of these folks just aren't there yet. Some, perhaps, never.

Sigh...

[karlrschneider]

12. Some clever bard uttered a truism long ago: "One of the hardest things in the world to do

is to know how to do something right, watch someone do it wrong and say nothing."

A corollary to that comes to mind - I wish there were some way to say "I told you so" without saying it.

Better yet, find a way to make it retroactive. Sigh.

[calimary]

17. I hear ya. Sometimes I feel like being just really in-yer-face about it.

But my "proud member of the 'I-Told-You-So' Club" turned into "proud member of the 'We-Tried-To-Warn-You' Club," and even that was just a little too pungent.

Far better souls than I, on this board especially, are graceful in their forgiveness and acceptance of the prodigal returnees. So I tend to step back and shut up. 'Cause what I really wanna do is turn them all over my knee for being so wilfully frickin' STOOOPID and enabling this entire clusterfuck!!!!!!

:grr:

Makes me wanna tear my hair sometimes.

[karlrschneider]

9. Okay, you're a cranky old fart. Like me. :--)

You do most certainly have a point that applies in many cases but I think (maybe it's more hope) that
people are actually beginning to admit the wrongness. Not that I believe the end (of the "war) necessarily justifies the (any?) means, the general principle doesn't appeal to me but I'm willing to
make an exception in this case where it might save a lot of lives. Four good friends came home from
Viet Nam in body bags - they weren't called 'transfer tubes back then - not something I'll ever forget.

[tularetom]

11. Let's take what we can get

I agree that most people are turning against this dumbass war just because it's taking too long for their little baby attention spans, and not because it was the wrong thing to do in the first place. But at least they are finally giving up on it for whatever reason. Most dumshit-Amurkans have been conditioned by 24-hour "News" and the first gulf war to think we are invincible. When it becomes apparent that we aren't, they lose interest.

From one cranky old fart to another.....

[Breeze54]

16. Not all families of the military

Bigmack said:

"When the US was all "mission accomplished" and bulgy in the flight suit, along
with the Chimp-in-Chief, military families... and the vast majority of Murikans...
.....supported the war...."


WRONG!!!!!!!!

Stop generalizing and believing what the MSM tells you!
:grr: :mad:

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Military families speak out against Iraq war at Pittsburgh rally
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/aug2003/sold-a07.shtml

By Alden Long
#---> 7 August 2003

Robin and DeShauna Ponton also took part, along with some other military families,
in a 200-strong protest against George W. Bush’s appearance at the Urban League
convention held July 26-30 in this Pennsylvania city.


Military Families on Front Lines of War Protest, Pain
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/010907A.shtml


Thousands march in Fayetteville, NC.
Iraq veterans, military families, resisters: out now!

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2005/03/22/17288931.php

by Jeff Paterson, Not in Our Name
Tuesday Mar 22nd, 2005 4:26 PM


Families With Loved Ones in Iraq Oppose the War

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0311/S00130.htm

#--> Tuesday, 18 November 2003, 1:08 pm
Article: Between The Lines

Listen in RealAudio: http://www.btlonline.org/syverson112103.ram

As America observed Veterans Day 2003, many families of military personnel stationed
in Iraq were becoming increasingly apprehensive while they watched the U.S. death toll
continue to rise.

[Bigmack]

19. I can't write with all those big letters....

... but I can do fundamental math.

When this whole thing started, us "peaceniks" represented about 30% of the population polled.... 70% supported Dumbya and the war.

I figure the support within the military and families was at least 80%.

If I add the word "most" .....
"When the US was all "mission accomplished" and bulgy in the flight suit, along with the Chimp-in-Chief, most military families... and the vast majority of Murikans.....supported the war...."

Would that be better?

[NNN0LHI]

18. Its the length. Americans don't like long wars. American don't like long anythings

Its the attention span thing.

Don

[bananarepublican]

20. It's more to do with the lying thing. Why fight a long war if it's based on LIES!!! n/t

[Captain Hilts]

10. Establishing An anti-US Islamic dictatorship isn't worth dying for. nt

[karlrschneider]

13. Nor is a putative pro-US dictatorship. Not that it hasn't stopped us may times. nt

...

[Captain Hilts]

14. Agreed. I'm trying to think like a conservative who opposes the war. nt

[karlrschneider]

15. Oh, well, in that case you need to drink more anti-freeze.

:rofl:

[bananarepublican]

21. After the lobotomy! n/t