Giuliani is beating McCain in Arizona...

[Wetzelbill]

Wow, a few years ago McCain was a God here in Arizona. Now he probably won't even win his own state's primary. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Janet Napolitano polls higher than him in a head to head matchup. Come 2010 he might be toast.

[SpiralHawk]

1. Is that a voice I hear singing somewhere in the desert?

[Wetzelbill]

4. it would be nice

I so wish we could have gotten rid of Kyl last year.

[saltpoint]

2. Some days it feels as if McCain is beating a dead horse. Other days he

polls just well enough to remain viable.

He retains considerable affection among many NH Republicans, having whomped Dubya there in 2000.

Nationally, his numbers are anemic and as you point out, he'd have to fight to hold Arizona.

Probably not a good omen for the McCain campaign.

I shudder to think about the judicial appointments we'd get under any of the Pukes' nominees.

[Wetzelbill]

3. While the rest of the country is going down in flames around them

because of the worst president in history, the Republican party is so screwed up and so in the grasp of their looney base, that their candidates for president are trying to win the nomination by being even worse than the aformentioned worst ever.

At this point, after looking at nearly 8 years of failure and catastrophe, if the GOP strategy for our country is to outcrazy Bush, then we have a grave threat to our nation and the world if any of them get in office. Their judicial appointments are yet another shudder inducing example of just how sick these people are.

[saltpoint]

5. True -- it really is a sorry bunch they're sending up for consideration this time.

Agree also that their wounds are self-inflicted.

They handed the wheels over to nutbags and have no right to complain when they wind up in the ditch.

[Wetzelbill]

6. It's like they are watching somebody drive into a ditch

and their solution to solving the problem is to say: " If I was president, I'd step on the gas even harder." WTF? :eyes:

on edit: freakin' typo!

[saltpoint]

8. Yes. A frantic scramble to see who can destroy the party faster by

appealing to the nutbags most.

Not a very sustainable political model.

[Olney Blue]

7. McCain will be put out of his misery soon- he won't win the primary.

Yes, the fall was stunning to watch- it would be interesting to hear him talk candidly about the chimp and say what we know he must feel.

[Wetzelbill]

9. him hugging Bush says a lot about McCain

Before that, I could tolerate the guy. I lost any ounce of respect right then. I would never hug a guy whose campaign attacked my wife and little girl like Bush's did. Never, not for any reason at all. Less than four years later, McCain is campaigning for the guy kissing his ass on the trail. Horrid.

I am amazed to see how he fell like that too. Interesting, especially when you consider how the media worships the guy. If he does come out about Bush it would be interesting to check out, although, by the time he ever does it even less people will be listening. Not many people are interested in hearing what McCain has to say now, give him a few years and nobody will be listening at all. I think if he runs again in 2010 against Napolitano, he'll remake himself again and run as a different McCain. Finance reform and all that crap again. For a guy who is suppose to be so authentic he's one of the least authentic politicians out there. I have always felt that McCain's experience as a POW wasn't emblematic of who he was. That it was an aberration in his life. McCain was put in a situation where he had to be heroic, to an extent, to survive. And his personality is such that he became a leader to his fellow prisoners. But I'm not sure he has anything heroic in him on his own. He's never lived up to that, although he's crafted a certain image over his career. McCain was only remarkable because he was forced to be. He has no greatness in him on his own. In fact, if anything, he's little more than a mean-spiritied, ill-tempered opportunist. In public he's a nice guy, I've heard people tell me he's very down to earth. I'm sure he is, and I'm sure he'd be an interesting person to have a conversation with. Maybe even be a pretty good friend. But he's also very petty. Like making disparaging remarks about Chelsea Clinton. She was a little girl! Great men don't do that. And he's hardly a great man. Whatever inspiration he was to his fellow POWs wasn't who John McCain really is, he's really the John McCain who cussed out Chuck Grassley or who disparaged a little girl or who quit talking to Senators who supported Bush in 2000 or who hugged the man whose campaign attacked his wife and daughter.

And that John McCain isn't so pretty a picture.

[blondeatlast]

10. I was an underage political wonkette when he came to poser and have watched

ever since.

My guess is that people are disgusted with his slavish support of Bush's insistence on remaining in Iraq. With all the military bases we have here we have more than our share of sons, daughters, moms, dads, etc in the quagmire.

Allegations that he sold out felloow guests at the Hanoi Hilton are still talked about here and at least one of our major media outlets brings it up when they find an opportunity. Add to that our ever-expanding former NYer rolls and the fact that AZ diehard Reps are a fickle bunch and I'm not too surprised.

Even in Maricopa County Phoenix Metro area), we're just a shade to the red-purple side and the rest of the state is a shade to blue purple, with some parts being quite blue (Tucson area).

[Wetzelbill]

13. I would be one of those blue Tucsonans!!!

yeah I have heard the thing about selling out those other POWs. Problem with that, at least, with some of the allegations, are they are derived from the same pockets that financed the Swift Boaters, so it's hard to tell just what is real and what is not. But I know lots of Republicans who like Napolitano and voted for her last year. She'd probably beat him. I think Jim Pederson had Kyl on the ropes there for a while, and McCain come 2010 will be much more vulnerable than Kyl ever was.

[lonestarnot]

11. And can we rid ourselves of that bag of bile while we are at it.

[cgrindley]

12. That's because McCain is crazy and unelectable

The general public voting in the primaries has a good handle on who is electable and who isn't. Pretty soon, all the marginal and nutty candidates will be history and the race can get serious with the few who actually stand a chance.

[Marrah_G]

14. That's because I am pretty sure most people realize he is a bit senile

At least in the Senate there are 99 other people to stop his craziness.

[Wetzelbill]

15. well, maybe like 50 other people

And many of them are suspect too. :) They cream doesn't exactly rise to the top in our country, I'm thinking. :)