This is what we are dealing with

[undergroundpanther]

Underneath all the politics issues of war, of poverty of inequality there is a root it all stems from, and this is it..

People such at these described below ,really do exist all around us, they hide what they are,from us too. Some are in families,some are your neighbors,in schools,in towns, in meetings you attend, in businesses,some are your boss teacher, parent, or in the government, you may be married to one, or your child might be this way...
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Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken.

And pretend that the concept of responsibility is unknown to you, except as a burden others seem to accept without question, like gullible fools.Now add to this strange fantasy the ability to conceal from other people that your psychological makeup is radically different from theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free is nearly effortless.You are not held back from any of your desires by guilt or shame, and you are never confronted by others for your cold-bloodedness. The ice water in your veins is so bizarre, so completely outside of their personal experience, that they seldom even guess at your condition.

In other words, you are completely free of internal restraints, and your unhampered liberty to do just as you please, with no pangs of conscience, is conveniently invisible to the world.
You can do anything at all, and still your strange advantage over the majority of people, who are kept in line by their consciences will most likely remain undiscovered.

How will you live your life?
What will you do with your huge and secret advantage, and with the corresponding handicap of other people (conscience)?
The answer will depend largely on just what your desires happen to be, because people are not all the same. Even the profoundly unscrupulous are not all the same. Some people - whether they have a conscience or not - favor the ease of inertia, while others are filled with dreams and wild ambitions. Some human beings are brilliant and talented, some are dull-witted, and most, conscience or not, are somewhere in between. There are violent people and nonviolent ones, individuals who are motivated by blood lust and those who have no such appetites. <...>

Provided you are not forcibly stopped, you can do anything at all.
http://ponerology.blogspot.com/2005/12/role-of-psychopath-in-generation-of.html

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This is why I am so angry at people who BELIEVE love cures all.That caring more will help,fix this. Because if it did,help as we all wished it would, for generations, things would not be as they are now.But all the love in the world cannot make a psychopath grow a conscience. Even Plato said you cannot teach virtue to those who have none..

[KoKo]

1. Interesting....and that there seem to be so many more folks without

conscience "acting out" these days and not even trying to cover it up. What happens when a mob of the unconsionable meet those who are apalled at the behavior but have to ability to stop it because how do you stop a person with no conscience from doing whatever they want?

Seems to be how we live today. And, thinking we can change those without conscience just leads to misery and disillusionment. Better to try to work around those people we can't change and gather in force with those of "great conscience" for the better good. :shrug:

[undergroundpanther]

2. We can try

But the sad fact is every time a group of people who are non sociopaths form a group to coexist and interact socially , a sociopath finds it and infiltrates it and seeks to control it. Sociopaths manipulate social dynamics and fuck up relationships because some of them get off on that..
There was a support group I was with, I was on the board. A psychopath got in there and got himself declared president.He nearly DESTROYED the organization,He stole stuff he had the group move into a building he controlled the conflict of interests went off the charts, I was warning the director,She paid no heed and decided I was a problem,. It was heart wrenching for me, because I cared..I was scapegoated by the president and the founder whom he brown nosed to death,as he stole money stuff from the group and did things that could have put the license to have this organization in jeopardy, the rest of the board saw through this and wanted me to stay on.It was very painful to go through the meetings I just resigned. After I left and the scapegoat(me) was gone. The truth came out about all the abusive shit the president was doing and the organization took a huge hit, as the president was booted and the director left also. And now the organization is doing better but they always have to be on guard for psychopaths getting involved with the group.

[hashibabba]

3. I'm sorry about what happened to you, but we can't let it make

us harder, just more careful. There's nothing you could have done in that situation, but the *bad* person wins if you stop showing love toward other people. You never know how someone will react. Even if they react badly on the outside, you don't know how you're effecting their heart with your love and kindness.

I hope you can go back to your group and help make it what you all want it to be without troublemakers in the midst.

[undergroundpanther]

4. You don't understand

I do have to become hard cold and ruthless to PSYCHOPATHS.

But to other people who have a conscience in them, I refuse to be hard to them.I care I try to help,I defend them from psychopaths.

Read my sig line, The thou shalt not part it is from the Holocaust museum, I got the quote from a post on DU about an article where an Iraqi woman was speaking out against torture, an Iraqi woman quoting the holocaust museum in America. damn.

And the leaders quote it applies too if the leader is a psychopath following such dreams of a psychopath will kill us all.And it is HAPPENING BUsh is a psychopath and congress will not defy him,and the people are too confused to see what the roots of the problem is. 1 side is the belief we all are good and the same. This is NOT true..only some are good and some people are totally alien and toxic to us, the psychopaths.

We cannot co exist with psychopaths. It is impossible to live around people who get off on harming you and ruining your relationships. We NEED boundaries against them We need to bind them or destroy them so they cannot harm others because they lack the personality structures we have to stop themselves from hurting others and ruining innocent lives.
WE have to impose control on the psychopaths who choose to not control themselves.