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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:05 PM
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Let's chat about stereotypes - what are some you may have, and where do they come from?
My first experience with the word stereotype was in the 5th grade during social studies. When the teacher asked us about the term most of us thought it had to do with record players. What did we know? We just wanted recess to get here so we could go play kickball (which is the only sport I was ever good at, except for chess -- unless sex is a sport).

So I got to thinking tonight about all the stereotypes I have held over the years, and still do, and wondering where in the hell I got them from.

The obvious breakdown - tv, movies, personal experience (which, when validated by tv/movies/news/books/et al becomes all the more ingrained and powerful).

I'll start with gay males - when my best friend came out to me we had already been best friends for about 12 years (we met when we were 13, we are 41 now...where does the time go????).

He was nervous, we sat on my front porch and he told me. I just shrugged and said 'I don't care, can't say I blame ya, I like hanging out with men more than women myself' and we laughed about it. It was a shock because he did not then, nor now, fit the 'profile'. Few people he knows even know he is gay still, he just does not make it their business (though the rainbow flag on his car is hint if you ask me).

So what is the profile and where did it come from? Queer eye for the straight guy, entertainers, fashion show hosts, etc and so on - people 'sense' someone is gay based on a profile of what one should be (my friend, as others, call it gaydar.)

Leaving all that open, I will move on:
Black people: Chicken, chitlings, love basketball, etc and so on.
My other best friend in high school was a black guy, Dave, who was on the chess team, dad was a preacher, and he did not like any of the above things all that well (and, um, who doesn't like chicken??).
So where did the many stereotypes come from? On the personal scale I can say one was validated to me on a personal and other level (see others above) - I was doing some construction work with my now X-bro-in-law and we were at a black ladies' home. Single, 4 kids, and a freezer full of chitlings (how would I know that you ask? We were tearing up the room her freezer was in and she asked us to get em out for her as she could not squeeze in through the doorway as it was partially dismantled - them old houses have some nasty ass insulation btw). I had never, ever, seen them in my life until that day. Don't say I care to again.

Women: What man doesn't have some sort of bead on women they have learned and then had backed up by hollywood and crew? And no matter how many stereotypes you have, you end up swearing the one your with is nothing like that, until you split up :)

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So anyway - looking back I see a life time of useless misinformation put out to identify in a short blurb everything essential you need to know about group X (and that includes us white guys, we are the bad guys in films, powerful, running corporations, and trying to take over the world. We also beat and abuse small animals in our off hours while guzzling beer on the way to a hunt).

What stereotypes have you ever had that were shattered - and what ones do you still possibly cling to if any?

One simple test to take - the word association game.

I say Christian
republican
conservative
woman
straight
gay
islam
Liberal
etc.

And in a sense, I am scared that many in america who might play this game would have some damned awful things to say when they hear a term.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:14 PM
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1. I was Sunday brunching at the Jersey shore at a bar popular with bikers
enjoying the seaside view along with a beer, burger, the comics, and music through my headphones. After finishing the comics, I was about to move on to the sports section when this huge biker casts a shadow over me. I started wondering whether he was going to rape me before or after I was killed, but all he wanted was borrow my comics so he could read them with his little girl!

:rofl:
rocknation
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:18 PM
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2. lol..I am a biker,a power lifter,an activist and an intellectual
I love your story-because it is so true.People have this brutish image of bikers-but-bottom line-to ride a Harley,you have to have a decent job-they are expensive!
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GreenEyedLefty Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:22 PM
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3. Is that you in your avatar, W8?
Just curious - anyway, I started lifting in earnest about 6 months ago or so, and working so hard for my puny biceps has done wonders to do away with my preconceived notions about bodybuilders. My God, it is hard work, and it takes a lot of dedication and discipline.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:24 PM
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5. lol..no-it's Iris Kyle..I am a smaller,meatier,blonder version of that
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:24 PM
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6. I started lifting with 6 packs of beer, I can now lift 12 packs and press a 24 pack
My belly has gotten bigger, but my arms just barely. I think I need to switch to wine bottles.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:32 PM
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13. lol..you can do both!look at me.....
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 01:28 AM
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52. Then you can work up to the boxes of wine!
:evilgrin:
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:26 PM
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7. google Charles Poliquin-German Volume Training
that is how I gained the majority of my strength and mass...
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GreenEyedLefty Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:31 PM
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12. Thanks, I'll do that.
Have a great evening. :D

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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:40 PM
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21. GVT's a bitch lol.
I had a friend make a serious go at it this past fall, and man just reading her training log was freaking painful.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:23 PM
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4. If you want a harley for free, be a white man
on my 18th birthday the brigade of whiteys welcomed me to adult hood and power with a harley, ever since then I just walk around and snap my fingers and get any job or into any college I want.

:rofl:
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:38 PM
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17. Umm, Southerns...you know, racist, gun loving, bible thumping...
..low IQ, hates Yankees (northerners) not the baseball team.
This has been very inappropriate as I have seen the reaction of our DU southerners to some posts expressing these aforementioned stereotypes. It is very inappropriate of us northerners to continue this stereotypical view. :grouphug:
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:39 PM
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20. Damn straight, don't want to piss off a southerner
They might go all deliverance on your ass and chase you with a shotgun while drinking moonshine ;)
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 03:04 AM
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65. I got a blowout
on the freeway a few years back. I pulled over, and tried to change the tire myself, but had trouble removing the lugs. A big, burly, menacing-looking guy pulled up on a Harley, and proceeded to help me out from start to finish. Polite as can be, AND, had an Irish brogue as well! Not what I expected at all. Told me he, and all his friends stop and help out motorists, especially, he said, if it's a girl. And then he left.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:26 PM
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8. My grandfather died of liver failure, due to an inherited trait
(which I may have myself--liver numbers are usually a bit high), but my mom never wanted anyone to know, because he was Irish and she thought people would think he drank himself to death. Always a bit painful, because she truly loved him and was very proud of him.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:27 PM
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10. Yeah, I forgot about the irish thing
and they like potatoes too :)
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:26 PM
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9. Drunks/alcoholics - I have no sympathy or empathy for any of them.
Starting from when I was nearly killed by a drunk driver who fell asleep at the wheel and swerved into oncoming traffic, hitting my car head-on. I particularly hated occasionally having to work with anyone who was an alcoholic - you could never count on them to pull their share of the workload, and often times they would totally fuck up other peoples' efforts. I worked with legislators struggling to come up with effective laws to keep drunks from driving. Suspending and revoking their licenses didn't work, because they would still drive themselves to bars and/or liquor stores. The only thing that would keep them off the road was being thrown in jail. We looked at confiscating their cars - but that penalized other family members - plus they would "borrow" friends' or neighbors' cars.

I should qualify that to "active alcoholics", because people in AA consider themselves alcoholics even if they have successfully stopped drinking.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:29 PM
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11. my dad and ex-husband are both alcoholics
I sincerely believe this disease is genetically based and commercially driven.Nonetheless,if a drunk driver killed my kid-they'd have hell to pay
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:35 PM
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14. c'mon, doesn't anyone stereotype homophobes as gay people? nt.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:37 PM
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15. Apparently, an idiotically larger percentage of DU.
:eyes:
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:38 PM
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18. where are all those that voted in that poll? nt.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:12 AM
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27. I know who can help The Straight Story.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:44 AM
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37. I love those guys.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:45 AM
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38. Apparently, you're not alone. n/t
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:37 PM
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16. or doesn't anyone ever 'accuse' someone of being straight
Edited on Sat Feb-17-07 11:38 PM by The Straight Story
especially when it is someone on the news who is a royal fuck up?

"I'll bet he's straight"

:rofl:
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:39 PM
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19. About 10,267 times around here.
Or so it seems.
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 05:31 AM
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67. I guess Ted Haggard must be the exception to the rule
along with all the other rabid anti gay pastors who keep turning up in motels with rent boys.
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:22 PM
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71. yeah. is that hard to get the mind around? nt.
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:57 PM
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22. My Stereotype is Rich People
...I guess this is because wealth to me equals greed because you do not need to live in more than one place at a time, you cannot drive more than one car at a time and it is a sin to me to have more than you need when your neighbor is starving. I fight this stereotype all the time and when I meet someone who I think is very nice and kind, I always have to step back and mentally apologize to them and myself for being so wrong.

Still most of the time the wealthy live up to their stereotypes, they are usually shallow, whiny, expect everything to be handed to them, and believe the whole world is out to get them ~ but they have all the answers to stuff like why there is poverty (the poor's fault), crime (bad parenting) without having a clue as to why these things happen. For instance, poor parenting often is because the father left the family in the lurch and refuses to pay child support, and Mom is working two jobs to pay the rent and so she is not home to keep her angry abandoned teenagers in check, etc. It doesn't seem to occur to these people that she can't just go down and hire a nanny to be home all day while she works that low paying McJob their cheap friends paid her so they can buy that new yacht they got from profiting off her aching back.

As for alcoholics and drug addicts, I have relatives who are both and sorry they live up to their stereotypes. Tho I know it is a disease I am still disgusted by this selfish self serving behavior that makes people forget about the ones around them who love them and trash the whole relationship just to get a bottle or a hit. I do not hate them but still, I do not trust them and I spend a great deal of time avoiding them if I can, especially when they are relatives.

Cat in Seattle
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:05 AM
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24. What do you consider rich?
My in-laws have 2 houses and a cabin in the mountains. Because they have the second house (which they rent out) I am able to move back to California (due to wife's health issues we want to move there).

They had a condo and another small apartment elsewhere, but sold em. They live in a rockin house, just paid cash for a $70k car - and yet then too I can see where you are coming from as they can be tight as a drum when it comes to helping other people out.

In their eyes, they worked hard for what they have and why should they give it up to someone they don't know who doesn't work hard. Family is a different matter - and to me that does count in some ways because it is assisting those in need, but it is a smaller group than 'all'.

Again - I see what you mean of course, look at britney spears and others - tons of money, no financial or food worries, and they seem miserable as hell. But then some homeless person might look at me and wonder why I am bitching and moaning about things.

All in perspective I guess.
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AbbyR Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:04 AM
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23. My daughter's high school class had this discussion years ago
The black kids in the class said that white people smelled like wet dogs (I think that was it.)
Has anyone ever heard that?

My stereotype - I always thought that folks in the north were rude.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:07 AM
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25. Never heard of that one
but I have seen how black people distrust white people - even if they have never done a thing to them.

My brother goes to our local UDF often to get chewing tobacco, and the black lady there won't talk to him or even look at him. My niece worked at that one and said this girl just hates white people in general.

I dunno....
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MoseyWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:08 AM
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26. I am now an older white person with gender questions
but used to be married to a black woman who I loved, and still cherish her memory, very much.

That being said, she didn't like, and was actually afraid of being around males of her "color". That's what she said and how she put it.

I miss her.

What was the question?
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:15 AM
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29. That brings back a memory of my buddy frank
He and I used to work in manufacturing together. He was black and we often whiled away the time on racial and religion issues (and the news of the day).

He moved to a nearly all white area (Obetz, Ohio) and told me the reason was he did not want to live around black people anymore. Too much violence and hate for him, he liked the whites he knew and others slammed whites.

And my friend Jorge (in Afghanistan right now) was telling me one night we were working together that he got a lot of hell from a black girl he was dating because he was too white - had a nice techie job and was getting educated and certifications.

So that led me to wonder, as I do in the OP (or tried to) where people get these notions from. Whether you are black, white, indian, straight, gay, etc - it seems people get an idea of what people are like based on some criteria and apply it wholesale.

A damned shame all the way around.
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MoseyWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:17 AM
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30. Not that it means anything, but
you just got my vote for response of the day.
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:23 AM
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32. Was there any point to that post barring throwing out an indirect diss at black males?
:shrug:
I mean what is useful about a thread or a post of this kind? Reinforcing our own smug stereotypes? "Good black people dislike being around the majority of them"?
I am sorry if I misread your post, but even while chatting about stereotypes or whatever this rather meaningless thread is about, that was a particularly offensive post, without any context or any explanation....


Yes, such things happen, but we don't need to endorse them on a progressive forum, with an "ah well thats life-we are just being realistic here".
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:28 AM
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33. The point was
This was real life and there are stereotypes across the board.

To me it was interesting to see how others view white people in this case. I was not dissing blacks, as the two main people involved were blacks and my friends.

The problem we have in our society is how many stereotypes we get over time about others not like us, or even in some cases - those like us (like me here in Ohio. I am glad to be moving back to CA as I don't see Ohio as cultured enough, which could go back to how I see the midwest and people here in general - yet there really is a lot of culture here, it is just not as evident and so my lazy ass was not seeing it).

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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:33 AM
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35. PS - just looking at your sig line there....
"They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for whites..."

One could take offense to that, why was it not worded 'any more than white people were made for blacks' or 'black people were made for blacks'?

There were blacks who owned slaves as well. Either way it was wrong - but here we see it as only whites...

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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:38 AM
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36. The quote obviously went over your head.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 02:14 AM
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58. LOL.
I love when posters try to use sig lines against other posters. Fawkin' hee-larious.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:15 AM
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28. When did DU turn into a personal blog?
:shrug:
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:18 AM
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31. Good question.nt
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:32 AM
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34. Aug 15th 2004
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 01:07 AM
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45. At about the time journals were introduced
About DU Journals

Have you ever wanted to blog, but can't find the time? Are you intimidated by the idea of setting up and maintaining a blog? Are you looking for a way to attract visitors to your blog? Now you can maintain a blog while you post on the DU discussion forums! Introducing DU Journals -- a totally new and original idea that blends the best features of a discussion forum and a blog.


It's a brave new world, huh? Naturally, the option of not reading someone's thread remains open to everyone, as does the option of being a jerk. Something to do with democracy, I guess.


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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 01:28 AM
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51. I started to say this in my response.
I opted for a smilie shrug.

Thanks for knowing where I was going.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:48 AM
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39. .
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:51 AM
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40. ...
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 12:52 AM by haruka3_2000
:spray:

www.blogger.com
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:55 AM
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41. Reply with that to these threads, I will post a few hundred more in a bit ok
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 01:02 AM
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44. Sure, as soon as all those people start using GD as a blog and posting meandering Walls of Text
:shrug:
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 01:22 AM
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47. Look on the bright side. At least Straight Story isn't posting confessions about his porno addiction
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 01:25 AM
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48. Hmmm...
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 01:26 AM
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49. This is why I buy stock in
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 12:57 AM
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42. A few more, still looking for you so you can help these people
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 01:26 AM
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50. What the....?
What do these threads have to do with the original topic? Why are you taking your thread off topic?

:shrug:
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 01:48 AM
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53. There's been some threadjacking
but apparently not by the OP.

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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 01:01 AM
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43. A few more
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 01:22 AM
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46. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 06:21 PM
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78. Not Sure Why You're Attacking A Well Thought Out And Well Written Post.
I mean, you didn't even attempt to discuss the context. You just went straight to getting personal towards the OP. Why the need to respond in such a way?
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 02:03 AM
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54. Mormon stereotypes
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 02:05 AM by FreeState
There are lot of Mormon stereotypes. Growing up LDS here are a few of the most common:

1) Have lots of wives
2) Have lots of kids
3) Care only for their own


and my favorite:

Mormons have horns

If you haven't heard that one its and old one. My Dad, he is almost 70, use to tell the neighbors he was going to the Temple to get his horns sawed off. (Everyone in my family except one of my brothers and myself do indeed grow calcium deposits that look like horns on their heads - so my Dad always made me laugh with this one, just an FYI I do not know anyone outside of my family that grows these types of "horns" and I know a LOT of LDS people).
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 02:08 AM
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55. My brother was a mormon, now a catholic
and I can say, I had my stereotypes about em - as usual they were wrong. Live and learn.

The more we look, the more we realize that we have a wealth of pre-conceived notions about groups. I would not say it is always wrong - but it is something one must keep in check.

The only exception is people who sell amway :)
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 02:11 AM
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57. Amway and Mary Kay :)
Amway and Mary Kay :) Both usually hold true - that being said there are some positives involved - self motivated etc.

I think I still have stereotypes about myself that are not true LOL (after all we are socialized to be something specific in life and rarely do we fit these stereotypes our selves - Im gay and most people would classify me as a butch lesbian... including my boyfriend LOL)
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 02:19 AM
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60. I think you summed something up very well
"rarely do we fit these stereotypes our selves"

One thing I have found time and again is how uncomfortable people feel with themselves because they don't fit their own stereotype - from women who think they need to look like supermodels to men who think they have to love sports like football.

I grew up loving chess, dungeons and dragons, and programming. I felt like I was odd, a nerd, a geek. All the other guys I knew were football players (mostly) and were out during the summer getting laid, drinking, etc - while I was going to the library to study, programming, and one summer I was writing back and forth to an inmate I found in a christian magazine.

Why did I feel abnormal? I was me - but I had a view of the me I should be based on what others decided people like me should be.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 05:58 PM
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76. Then again.....
It seems like maybe, “normal” is just another stereotype that falls apart when we get to know each individual throughout our lives?

It's one of the most terrible and contradictary things that we live with. They are feel wrong when recognized but when given some thought they are understandable.
And as they fall apart and we have to admit to being retroactively wrong under an open ended variety of conditions. It is internally or even possibly openly humiliating.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 02:10 AM
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56. Well done
Thanks for returning the thread to its original intent. I knew some aggressive LDS missionaries way back when, and they helped confer on me a nagging stereotype about the sect. Your post has gone a long way toward dispelling it. Thanks.

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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 02:18 AM
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59. I was a missionary
I was a missionary so I know exactly the type you are talking about - and they are out there - however most were not that way in my experience. I have a lot of hold ups about the church that I am still dealing with. I think the most important thing in overcoming stereotypes is detaching yourself from any personal investment in them. Im invested in my parents and siblings personal happiness but that does not mean I have to believe what they do. Even though aspects of their faith scare me its not for me to judge them - that was the hardest lesson probably to learn.

Anyway everyones life is a long strange path any way you look at it.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 02:26 AM
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61. So true
And I agree, there are sincere, non-aggressive missionaries of various deminations out there. I was at least open-minded enough to look at the literature I was given. Finally I decided that it seemed a little silly. But some of that perception no doubt had to do with the hard-sell approach the missionaries were using.

If there's one thing sticks with me from my wishy-washy childhood Lutheranism, it's the concept of "judge not, lest ye be judged". A powerful lesson which perhaps surprisingly mirrors what some of my atheist friends believe. We're all closer than our beliefs - or lack of them - make us think we are.

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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 02:31 AM
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63. You are so right on this:
"Even though aspects of their faith scare me its not for me to judge them - that was the hardest lesson probably to learn."

My sister is a rw fundie, but I have grown to respect her and her life. Her kids are homeschooled, and are some of the best kids I have ever known. My sister has spent more time helping people than I have (but then, my situation with my wife and life are different). She grates on my nerves, but she is who she is and shes does well for many others.

On the other hand - I don't go to her church, I drink, and I smoke - so folks like me she helps less (even though I am her brother). By help I mean things like cooking and cleaning for friends she has during a time of crisis. When my wife got diagnosed with parkinson's, she kind of blew it off. Now that my wife is sick and in bed, she is not here like she would be for her church friends. I am cooking, cleaning, taking care of our daughter, working on multiple projects from home, etc. I could use some help - and that is one main reason we are moving to CA - her sister and mom live there and they can help out - and want to.

Her brother needs her too - he is gay, and she is the one he turns to on issues. Her family, all dems (and two of em elected) aren't too keen on that lifestyle. They all wanted him to get through college, get married, have em some grandkids - and then BAM he comes out. My wife has worked in aids clinics and been around gays most her adult life, and she and I accept him as he is - yet her family tip toes around it and won't even call his boyfriend what he is - his boyfriend. He is just 'one of his friends'.

Their stereotypes on gays and people sick with a disease show to me daily. Why doesn't my wife get up and do more? Why isn't she doing this, or that? Well - DUH she is sick and getting worse, but to them if you cannot see it, it is all in your head (and, parkinsons is, in a sense...) and all you need to do is get up and forget about it. Why doesn't 'bill' just get over his gay thing and find a nice woman? Why is he so depressed? Well - DUH you are treating him like he has an illness that he can get rid of with some meds.

Sigh - sorry, had to rant for a sec :)
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 02:39 AM
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64. Thanks for sharing
but if you recognize these anti-gay people in your life, are you having a conversation with them to open up their minds and change their misconceptions about the GLBT community?

You've just expressed that you interact with anti-gay people. What steps are you taking in order to enlighten them?
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WernhamHogg Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 02:30 AM
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62. "All white people have money"
I was waiting for the bus after work one day and a black man approached me and asked me if I could spare some change. Since I typically only bring the $2 with me that it takes me to get to and from work, I told him I didn't have any money. His response to me was "ALL white people have money" (which was definately news to my poor white ass). ;-)
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 05:06 AM
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66. WTF!!!
I just shrugged and said 'I don't care, can't say I blame ya, I like hanging out with men more than women myself'

You associate a gay male as having a need to "hang out" more with men than women? So I guess you would also associate a gay female as a need to "hang out" with women more than men too, huh? Jump into the real world and fast, mate!
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 06:05 AM
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68. I don't have stereotypes - I stereotype others
for instance - English people - I still hate the half-educated bunch of savages.

I am Scottish, when I first moved to England (many years ago) I had the most ridiculous set of prejudices about the English. Living amongst them I soon learned my preconceptions about them were completely wrong, however the truth was sobering.

A dozier bunch would be difficult to find. They are anti-intellectual, xenophobic, they spit EVERYWHERE, they wallow in nostalgia and they are still going on about the single world cup victory in 1966 (yes forty years ago).

This behaviour is childish and I wish to God they would all just grow up. However I feel I have earned the right to say this about the knuckle dragging rosbifs because I have had to suffer their company for so long.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 06:09 AM
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69. Yay! I knew it was a great idea to ask people to list their stereotypes! nt
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 06:37 AM
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70. In my defence - I don't keep my opinion of Sassenachs a secret. n/t
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 04:09 PM
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72. Oh yeah. I feel a real "togetherness" now.
Who do we do next? Asians? I've heard they're really bad drivers. I saw it on "Drawn Together".
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 04:12 PM
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73. Has anyone said anything about the gays yet? I'm afraid to
look.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 04:29 PM
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74. Joe Namath in pantyhose - Rosie Grier knitting...
I thought my poor dad's head would explode.

Eh, those were the first things which came to mind.

:rofl:

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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 05:24 PM
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75. I am a total stereotype
My parents are English and I was born in Canada in the late 1960's:

1. I have bad and crooked teeth (now with a zillion dollars of dentistry)
2. I hate being touched
3. I require about 10 feet of personal space
4. I sound like an idiot if I speak in my real Canadian accent
5. I say eh a lot
6. I have an encyclopedic memory for hockey trivia and stats
7. I am extremely resentful towards wealthy people
8. I do not think that private citizens should be in the charity business but that government should take care of us all
9. I have been known to have hockey hair in the 1980's
10. I didn't meet an African American person until I was 25.
11. I own guns.
12. I don't mind shooting animals or killing fish.
13. I wear a lot of plaid.
14. I have a ton of tattoos and had a nose ring
15. I played in a garage band
16. I believe that just about everything should be free and that no one should want to work very hard

It just goes on and on and on...
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 06:12 PM
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77. Republicans. Every republican I've ever known has been
either a heartless, ignorant, selfish jerk or a clueless hausfrau that thinks whatever her overbearing republican husband tells her to think.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 07:38 PM
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79. I have stereotypes
that fall on the left and right of the dial. Christian fundamentalists, card carrying members of the republican parties, angry male hating lesbians, members of the professional victim culture, rednecks, black militants, better than thou conservatives and liberals, oh yeah the list goes on and on.
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