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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 10:56 AM
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Bush looks to historic parallels for final legacy
http://www.khaleejtimes.ae/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/theworld/2007/February/theworld_February552.xml§ion=theworld&col=

<snip>‘I don’t think you’ll really get the full history of the Bush administration until long after I’m gone. I tell people I’m reading books on George Washington and they’re still analyzing his presidency,’ Bush told CBS’ ‘60 Minutes’ in an interview last month.

Many in the current crop of historians are already prepared to declare Bush’s presidency a failure.

In a December opinion article in The Washington Post, Columbia University history professor Eric Foner wrote that Bush was likely to join mediocre presidents like Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson.

‘Even after being repudiated in the midterm elections of 1854, 1858 and 1866, respectively, they ignored major currents of public opinion and clung to flawed policies. Bush’s presidency certainly brings theirs to mind,’ Foner wrote.

Foner’s article was headlined, ‘He’s the worst ever.’

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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 11:01 AM
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1. The Gen. McLelland of Presidents
well the troops really loved little Mac but apart from that they are pretty similar.

Dumb.

Easily duped by crafty rebels.

Constantly requested more troops

Eventually sacked in disgrace.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 11:07 AM
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2. Bush need look no furthur than Caligula
And I wouldn't call James Buchanan a mediocre president
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 11:12 AM
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3. Unfortunately for Dimson, we live in the Digital Age.
His administration will be the best documented of any Presidency to date. It won't be nearly as difficult for historians to understand who this pResident was and what he accomplished (or didn't) during his reign.

Everyone will know and marvel at this Pretender and wonder how Americans, in the 1st decade of the 21st Century, could accept this clown as our leader.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 11:15 AM
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4. I go back to Roman times for my Bush comparison - Publius Quinctilius Varus
From wikipedia:

His paternal grandfather was senator Sextus Quinctilius Varus. Varus was a patrician, born to an aristocratic but long-impoverished and unimportant family in the Quinctilius gens. His mother was a daughter from Gaius Claudius Marcellus Minor's first marriage. His father was Sextus Quinctilius Varus, a senator aligned with the conservative republicans in the civil war against Julius Caesar.
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Between 9 and 8 BC, following the consulship, Varus was governor of the province of Africa. After this, he went to govern Syria, with four legions under his command. The Jewish historian Josephus mentions the swift action of Varus against a messianic revolt in Judaea after the death of Rome's client king Herod the Great in 4 BC. After occupying Jerusalem, he crucified 2000 Jewish rebels, and may have thus been one of the prime objects of popular anti-Roman sentiment in Judaea, for Josephus, who made every effort to reconcile the Jewish people to Roman rule, felt it necessary to point out how lenient this judicial massacre had been.

(doesn't mention that he took Syria from a region that was strong economically to one that was very poor economically)
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The disaster at Teutonberg Forest (equivalent to Iraq today - a powerful military out of place, with Ahmed Chalabi playing the role of Arminius)
In A.D. 9, Varus had stationed his armies near the Weser River with his three legions, the Seventeenth, the Eighteenth and the Nineteenth, when news arrived of a growing revolt in the Rhine area to the west. Despite several warnings, Varus trusted Arminius, the man who appealed for his help, because he was a Romanised Germanic prince and commander of an auxiliary cavalry unit.

Not only was Varus' trust in Arminius a terrible misjudgement, but Varus compounded it by placing his legions in a position where their fighting strengths would be minimized and that of the Germanic tribesmen maximized. Arminius and the Cherusci tribe, along with other allies, had skillfully laid an ambush, and in the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest in September (east of modern Osnabrück), the Germanic tribes ambushed the vulnerable Roman column.

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So great was the shame, and the ill luck thought to adhere to the numbers of the Legions, that XVII, XVIII and XIX never again appear in the Roman Army's order of battle. The Battle of the Teutoburger Wald (or Teutoburg Forest) was keenly felt by Augustus, darkening his remaining years. According to the biographer Suetonius, upon hearing the news, Augustus tore his clothes, refused to cut his hair for months and, for years afterwards, was heard, upon occasion, to moan, "Quinctilius Varus, give me back my Legions!" ("Quintili Vare, legiones redde!"). Gibbon describes Augustus's reaction to the defeat as one of the few times the normally stoic ruler lost his composure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publius_Quinctilius_Varus

Another source:
The occasion, and the character of the leader, demand some attention. Quintilius Varus was born of a noble rather than illustrious family, was of a mild disposition, of sedate manners, and being somewhat indolent as well, in body as in mind, was more accustomed to ease in a camp than to action in the field. How far he was from despising money, Syria, of which he had been governor, afforded proof; for, going a poor man into that rich province, he became a rich man, and left it a poor province.

http://www.sawneybean.com/horrors/roman.htm




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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 11:19 AM
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5. Bush is a Failure now and History will show him worse ...far worse
His legacy will be a model for Others NOT TO FOLLOW.....

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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 11:24 AM
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6. What a breathtaking glimpse into the warped psyche of Bush.
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 11:36 AM by BleedingHeartPatriot
Does he not know how fortunate this country was to have a first president of the caliber of George Washington. There are more and more fascinating studies available, taking a look at his personal life, and documented approach to managing this "serving for the people" thing.

Flaws, yes, he was human. But, for Bush to even whisper that his legacy could in any way, shape or form be compared to Washington is lunacy. And, for him to be desperately poring over past presidents' unpopular decisions which may have been vindicated, says so much about where his focus lies.

DISCONNECTED from reality. World leaders must be engaged in the present, the here and now. They should be looking to past leaders only to read about lessons learned they may offer, not looking for one whose presidency might resemble theirs.

One thing Bush is right about, in his allusion...250 years from now, the historians will still be studying his presidency...with horror.

Here are a few quotes from Washington, about whom Bush clearly knows nothing.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.

Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder.

Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.

As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.

The constitution vests the power of declaring war in Congress; therefore no offensive expedition of importance can be undertaken until after they shall have deliberated upon the subject and authorized such a measure.

My favorite
I hope I shall possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man.



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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 11:24 AM
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7. He just needs to look at Hitler
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 11:35 AM
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8. K & R, for the f***ing cognitive dissonance from Bush, in the article.
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 11:35 AM by BleedingHeartPatriot
WASHINGTON - In the Lincoln Bedroom, President George W. Bush likes to show off one of the most treasured historical artefacts in the White House, a handwritten copy of Abraham Lincoln’s 1863 Gettysburg Address.

>snip

The Queen’s Bedroom offers memories of Winston Churchill, who stayed there before and after World War Two, as Bush told C-SPAN, ‘waddling around ... with a cigar in one hand, a brandy in the other, demanding attention.’


:crazy: :scared:
MKJ
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 11:38 AM
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9. General George Custer n/t
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