Stunning video of Regional Airline Pilot salaries on youtube

[Little Wing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RayMaswju1A&mode=related&search=

I won't bitch about my pay for TWO WEEKS after seeing this :wow:

[ChoralScholar]

1. Something wrong with that for sure.

Especially compared to the mainline pilots.

It's just as far from LIT to DFW whether you're in a ERJ-145 or an MD-80.

[baldguy]

2. How much do you want to pay bus drivers?

But then, bus drivers have a union.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

3. I know a pilot at skywest, (Delta)

Were it not a one way ticket to Iraq he would re-enlist in the airforce where he flew transport planes, he just keeps holding out hope he can get on with Southwest or JetBlue.

[muntrv]

4. I thought being a pilot is a SKILLED trade. Apparently not for the managers

of these airlines.

[wakeme2008]

5. And Delta just got their Comair pilots to take a CUT in pay

or they were going to have to put Comair out of business.

[Rosemary2205]

6. Bullshit.

It took me 44 seconds to find this.



http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/Careers/04/19/cb.glamorous.jobs/index.html

Airline pilot
Salary: $53,000-$144,140

Becoming a commercial airline pilot, for some, is a life-long dream. But before you head for the cockpit, you'll need a commercial pilot's license issued by the FAA. This requires at least 250 hours of flight experience.

Commercial and multi-engine pilot training and flight instructor courses can cost from $50,000 to $70,000. Brian, who has flown for two major commercial airlines, started saving to go to commercial flight school when he was 13. He loves his job and says his hours are flexible, allowing plenty of time for family.

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), FAA regulations restrict airline pilots from flying more than 100 hours a month or more than 1,000 hours a year. Most fly an average of 75 hours a month and work additional hours performing non-flying duties.






http://www.careerprospects.org/Trends/salary-sixfigure.html

Aviation Pilots' for the big commercial airlines can earn sky-high salaries. The median annual earnings for chief pilots, co-pilots, and flight engineers, was $135,400 in 2004, according to the Bureau for Labor Statistics. More than 25 percent of pilots earned salaries that soared above $145,000. But this is changing. Airlines have been in financial trouble for some years now and are doing their best to cut pilot salaries. It's unlikely that young pilots entering the business now will ever do as well as their predecessors. All commercial pilots need a commercial pilot's license with an instrument rating issued by the FAA. Pilots must also have an airline transport certificate, be at least 23 years old, and have at least 1500 hours of flying experience, including night and instrument flying, as well as pass FAA written and flight examinations.

Also in the friendly skies, cargo pilots can do well. For example, Federal Express compensates it's cargo pilots with a hefty paycheck. As a cargo pilot, you're expected to fly 15 to 18 days a month (a day being defined as a series of short trips or one long transatlantic flight.) Most flights are overnight. The average FedEx pilot makes upwards of $180,000 a year. New pilots are required to have a bachelor's degree, a commercial pilot certificate with instrument ratings, and 1500 hours logged as pilot in command, in addition to other requirements.

[Little Wing]

7. And you got 44 seconds of accuracy, Fox Noise would be proud

[Rosemary2205]

12. I agree with you on one thing.

The makers of that youtube video probably would fit in well at Fox. The attempt to represent the salaries of the better part of an industry by using the part time wages of interns to represent the whole is definately "Foxlike".

[Little Wing]

13. Are the interns flying? Then they should be getting paid more

CNN is stating the salaries of 747 pilots, probably flying to different continents. I've seen figures as low as the ones in the video from many sources, and while they are starting salaries, they are nonetheless salaries.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

18. Those aren't "intern" wages, nor are they part-time.

Interns aren't flying airplanes. Those are the starting salaries for a pilot's first year as a first officer (co-pilot), and it's considered full-time work. They are actually paid on an hourly basis with a guarantee of a certain number of hours per month. They are paid only for the hours they actually fly, not for any time involved waiting between flights, doing preflight checks, etc. Since they have to be available for a trip if they are reserve pilots, it's hard for them to take part-time jobs to make up for the lousy wages. This video is very accurate with respect to first-year FO pay. The pay will improve over time, of course; but the reality these days is that (unless you are independently wealthy) you can't afford to start out working for a regional airline unless you are either living in your parents' basement or you have a spouse with a very good job.

[marions ghost]

22. ditto

that is what I understand to be the case. What you say jives with what I have heard from friends and relatives who are pilots.

[sandnsea]

8. 1500 hours logged

as pilot in command. How do you suppose a pilot gets those hours?? Exactly. At a $20,000 a year job.

[Rosemary2205]

10. I work a minimum of 1600 hours a year.

Even if a pilot is working part time he/she should be able to get the required 1500 hours under their belt within a couple of years...... a couple 2 or 3 years at a more minimal salary in exchange for training is not unheard of in any industry.

That youtube presentation attempts to paint most well experienced pilots as paid under 20,000, yet according to every source that can be found on the net only the first couple of years of "internship" type work are at that low a salary.

[Dr.Phool]

16. All of that training expense comes out of the pilots pocket.

And that time is flight time. Pre-flights, weather briefings, and all other preparation is added on.

I know instructors who spent upwards of $30,000 getting a commercial rating and then had to labor away for years, for peanuts to build up their flight time.

[Rosemary2205]

17. Imagine what a doctor spends to be a doctor.

Even English teachers are 10's of 1000's in debt before they ever get their first teaching job.

Certainly we need a better system of training people for jobs that doesn't leave them in a lifetime of debt.

[Dr.Phool]

11. Regional carriers get paid a LOT less.

And you'll need at least 1,000 hours experience, with about half of that in turbines. And a lot of that comes from working for $10 per hour as a flight instructor. Thats actual flight time not sitting around and waiting for a student to walk in.

[Rosemary2205]

15. I understand that.

Why I'm supposed to be outraged because someone chooses a part time job at $10 an hour as their only source of income is beyond my understanding.

If the system to create professional experienced pilots is abusive or seriously flawed then I can have that discussion. But asking me to be outraged because someone working 70-80 hours a MONTH doesn't make enough money - or that these low "beginner" salaries are supposed to represent the whole - then I'm sorry, I can't have that discussion.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. They are working far more than 80 hours a month.

They are only PAID for 80 hours. They don't get paid for time spent not actually flying, and there is an enormous amount of non-flying time that they have to do. Any airline pilot works as many, if not more, hours as any other worker, and the conditions (irregular hours, late nights, early mornings, bad weather, frequent schedule changes, etc.) are often very difficult. I work for an airline, and I know what I'm talking about.

[wakeme2008]

20. Too bad you did not know what the OP posted on

Regional Carriers vs Full Airlines.. The Regional do pay poorly.

[Initech]

9. Holy shit!

:wow:

[rsmith6621]

14. Airline Employees Have Made To Many Sacrifices

I know I'm one of them.....I had to go back to college to be able to do what I do now in the airlines. In 2000 a person doing what I'm doing today made 10k more a year than I am making now...the bottom dropped out 3 month before I sat down with the FAA to get my certificate. I worked at UAL and gave back 18 percent of my pay to help them out of BK then I was forced to give them forty cents more so they could hatch TED and paint their aircraft a new scheme....

The sad part for Pilots is is they have on average spent 60k to get a seat in the front office and still the CO still wants more from them for less. Some of the Pilots I know are cry babys and call sick often but the ones that are good are great....the pathetic part though is the Unions don't grab their collective balls and put the foot down.....

The industry has become nothing more than a service job....the glamor,and respect that airline employees received is now dead and until the consumer starts to pay the actual cost airline employees will suffer more losses....think about how bad moral could compromise safety next time you fly the unfriendly skys......what do I do...I am in charge of saftey and I make sure my carrier is operating safely and within FAA regs.

I think if we had a president who had passion for aviation it would help.

[bmbmd]

21. It's a start.

My son-in-law flies for Continental Express. He doesn't make much money now, but he is twenty-six years old. Let's see how he is doing in five years. (plus, I get to fly free every once in a while)

[Thothmes]

23. Sorta Like Baseball

Peanuts in the bush leagues until you develope the skill and experience for the Majors.