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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:08 PM Original message |
BREAKING (CNN) Colorado church shootings were connected! Same guy, former church member! |
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libnnc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. One of their own. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Yep, he'd been mailing Youth With A Mission for months... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. That security guard saved a CRAPLOAD of lives if that's true. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Yep, among other ammo in his car he was carrying 500 rounds on him! |
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Sixty_cycle_humm (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
28. I just heard it was a woman who shot him |
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Mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Now that is going to make it hard to have our usual pro gun anti gun debate after a shooting. |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Gonna be a LOT harder to defend those "gun free zones" now. nt |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. It is pretty cool, isn't it? By now this thread would've *exploded* with anti-gunner speil... |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
63. Maybe the solution |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. I like it! |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:34 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Me too! |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 06:10 PM Response to Reply #65 |
86. You are smart enough not to kill over road rage though, right? |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #86 |
126. Of course I would never kill over road rage |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 03:05 AM Response to Reply #63 |
118. Just to make it fun, allow eunuchs to carry concealed weapons too. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #118 |
125. Yes, that makes sense. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 03:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
121. Nah, no need to. Instead of Armed Citizen Saves Lives, it's Fundy Nutbag Shoots Alleged Criminal |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #121 |
127. Alleged Criminal who had shot & killed two people seconds before. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. That was part of my ironic statement, that in order to minimize the culpability of the gunman... |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. But she could have killed innocent people..... |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. From msnbc... |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
123. It sounds like they knew it was coming and decided to hold services anyway |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:11 PM Original message |
Too bad they can't blame it on the crazee gays or whomever |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. Doesn't surprise me |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
3. Deleted sub-thread |
ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
5. I loved the NRA response. |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. What part did the NRA play in this? |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. they issued a statement that they were |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
7. I'm glad it's one of theirs |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. We, however, have no clue what he did to get himself out of the church. |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. Why is it something he did? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. The vast majority of murders are domestic in nature. |
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terisan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Murder rates are quite low in many countries. Do you think we are powerless to lower our rate? |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
33. One day, we'll be saying, "one of our own".. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
11. Well, sad about the deaths, truly. BUT I am relieved that they won't be |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. And if he got kicked out of the church for being gay, atheist, muslim or pagan? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. One hopes NOT. Because you know how that will be used to |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
12. Why doesn't god love that church? |
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Bicoastal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Save it. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Especially not two beautiful young women! |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Save your finger wagging |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. Much like what almost all politically active people do |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
64. And they're all welcome to put me on thier ignore lists |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
89. Amen |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. 10k members. Statistically they have someone of practically every stripe. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. It's weird because this is one large shooting at two locations. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Because America STILL isn't stoning the gays??? |
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Rageneau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. Considering how many people who DIDN'T get killed, maybe He does. |
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Dukkha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
91. a massive compound with 10k members and security guards |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. During the local news conference they just had - it was called a "campus" |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 03:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
119. They must remind him of you |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
19. I thought the shootings were too closely located to be isolated incidents. |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
24. Tragic. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
29. its a tragedy, regardless |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. politically, Sir, It Is Useful |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. and I find your remark distasteful and opportunistic |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. What Else Are Tragedies For, Sir, If Not Political Exploitation? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. well, if you're so proud of that |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Proud, Sir? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. is that a threat? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Thank You For The Laugh, Sir |
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countingbluecars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. Perhaps a poor choice |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. It Still Seems Fine To Me, Sir |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. the world would be a better place if more people |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. You Will have To Hold Up Your End Better Than that, Sir |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. when arguing with a moderator who is relieved at news of tragic death |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. and so I thought. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #52 |
101. Whoa whoa -- avast there, matie! It's just a quote about being misconstrued and/or missing a mark. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
68. "What else are Tragedies For, Sir, If Not Political Exploitation?" |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #68 |
80. Actually, Sir, A Thing is Considered Tragic |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
59. No other religion claims to be persecuted while in the majority though |
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Bicoastal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Wait, just because it's not useful to them... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. When An Enemy is Denied Something Of Value, Sir, That Is Beneficial |
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Bicoastal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Wouldja stop with the "Sir" already?! |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. That's his schtick, Sir. |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. My head just exploded, did you really say... |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I'm also repulsed by the statement |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. These Are Simply My Personal Comments, Sir, On An Item In the News Today |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. er, I think I just did |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. You Offered A Source Of Amusement, Sir |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #67 |
84. well, if you find fun concerning tragic death |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. On Democratic Underground, Sir |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. actually, yes I do doubt it. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Not Much Of A 'Love Thine Enemies' Type, Myself, Sir |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 07:53 PM Original message |
I think you are being over-generous. Think back to 9/11 and how Falwell and Robertson immediately |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
75. I don't consider those people as enemies, I consider them as misguided. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 03:25 AM Response to Reply #53 |
120. Never fear, Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council is doing just that. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:19 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. So they are the enemy? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Again, Sir |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #66 |
88. According to one source - he hated Christians |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #88 |
104. He was Raised By Fundamentalists, Sir |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 08:11 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. so...you're glad it wasn't an atheist so he wouldn't be used to demonize a group |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 08:14 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Astute observation. Though it will be dismissed with some convoluted attempt at logic. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 08:24 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. 'Atrocity', Sir? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #104 |
115. Sorry, I don't see an issue with homeschooling, which I and my sister have done |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 09:09 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. As With Most Things, Sir, Milage Can Vary |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 08:34 PM Response to Reply #32 |
114. Colorado killer 'hated Christians,' police official says |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
34. Shooter ID'ed - 24 years old |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
41. Was he abused my their leader? |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 07:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
106. Why would that be? |
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CANDO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
44. Welcome back.........to the Wild, Wild, West! |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 08:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
112. Yes, a violent psycho was stopped by a GUN OWNER. Imagine that. |
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CANDO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 08:21 AM Response to Reply #112 |
124. FYI......I own THREE FIREARMS! |
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Samurai_Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
45. Isn't New Life Church Ted Haggart's old church? |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #45 |
72. Yes it is n/t |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
54. At least that'll mean they can't play the poor, persecuted Christians |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. yeah, they're just playing the dead card |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
70. Oh Yes... |
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Leo 9 (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
71. Colo. Church Gunman `hated Christians' |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
73. Denver Rocky Mountain News: Gunman 'hated Christians' |
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pdxmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Hmmm....this is just horrible reporting. They say he "hated Christians", but |
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gatorboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. If they still have his emails. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #79 |
94. Read carefully. He was kicked out 3 years ago. In that time he has bred contempt for Christians. |
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Saboburns (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
82. er, um |
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Saboburns (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 06:11 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Magistrate, Sir |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
90. Security Guard: The Holy Spirit helped me end it. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 06:47 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. That woman was brave as nails. She was just on local news here. The killer hated Christians. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Yeah, hated Christians |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Nihilists tend to hate everyone. This guy is the absolute profile. The emails will come out. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. What? How do you know he's a nihilist? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. YES. Do you know what life is like being indoctrinated forever? |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Same environment can produce |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. If you live here you'll hear the local news reporting on the hate letter. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 07:48 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Everyone's reporting on the letter |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 07:57 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. No, no church has as many people as New Life. He had 1k rounds of ammo. Repeat. 1k rounds. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 08:12 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. He didn't start with New Life |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. She sent the killer home to Jesus. |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 08:30 PM Response to Reply #95 |
113. eternal salvation one must assume....n/t |
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JBoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-10-07 09:51 PM Response to Reply #95 |
117. The killer wasn't holy, but she made him holey. n/t |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-11-07 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
122. I figured he'd turn out to be a rejected member or some such. |
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