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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 06:52 PM
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Bush Wants to Expand Warrantless Telecom Spying on Us -- and Make It Legal
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 07:28 PM by babylonsister
We're in big trouble if telecoms get immunity...


Wider Spying Fuels Aid Plan for Telecom Industry


By ERIC LICHTBLAU, JAMES RISEN and SCOTT SHANE
Published: December 16, 2007

WASHINGTON — For months, the Bush administration has waged a high-profile campaign, including personal lobbying by President Bush and closed-door briefings by top officials, to persuade Congress to pass legislation protecting companies from lawsuits for aiding the National Security Agency’s warrantless eavesdropping program.

But the battle is really about something much bigger. At stake is the federal government’s extensive but uneasy partnership with industry to conduct a wide range of secret surveillance operations in fighting terrorism and crime. The N.S.A.’s reliance on telecommunications companies is broader and deeper than ever before, according to government and industry officials, yet that alliance is strained by legal worries and the fear of public exposure.

To detect narcotics trafficking, for example, the government has been collecting the phone records of thousands of Americans and others inside the United States who call people in Latin America, according to several government officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the program remains classified. But in 2004, one major phone carrier balked at turning over its customers’ records. Worried about possible privacy violations or public relations problems, company executives declined to help the operation, which has not been previously disclosed.

In a separate N.S.A. project, executives at a Denver phone carrier, Qwest, refused in early 2001 to give the agency access to their most localized communications switches, which primarily carry domestic calls, according to people aware of the request, which has not been previously reported. They say the arrangement could have permitted neighborhood-by-neighborhood surveillance of phone traffic without a court order, which alarmed them.

The federal government’s reliance on private industry has been driven by changes in technology. Two decades ago, telephone calls and other communications traveled mostly through the air, relayed along microwave towers or bounced off satellites. The N.S.A. could vacuum up phone, fax and data traffic merely by erecting its own satellite dishes. But the fiber optics revolution has sent more and more international communications by land and undersea cable, forcing the agency to seek company cooperation to get access.

After the disclosure two years ago that the N.S.A. was eavesdropping on the international communications of terrorism suspects inside the United States without warrants, more than 40 lawsuits were filed against the government and phone carriers. As a result, skittish companies and their lawyers have been demanding stricter safeguards before they provide access to the government and, in some cases, are refusing outright to cooperate, officials said.

more...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/16/washington/16nsa.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:15 PM
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1. my money says he's been doing it all along
and now he's trying to make sure he's never prosecuted. i believe the admin's lawyers are working overtime in a number of areas to keep the bastards out of prison down the road.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:27 PM
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2. Oh what? They're not just using this on terrarists?
Drug dealers/smugglers are fairly common types of criminals, if they can use it on that crime, why not other types?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:30 PM
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3. This is an important story with new information.
:kick:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:24 PM
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4. I guess we're just so used to this stuff now that it's a yawner.
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 08:28 PM by babylonsister
I'm a bit concerned, I must say, and fear that FISA bill vote on Monday.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:55 PM
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9. Consider that this is a super stressful time of year.
And, I agree about Monday. :(
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:26 PM
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5. So does Harry Reid
Bet it makes his panties all wet...

:puke:

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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:33 PM
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6. And without oversight, it's SELECTIVE!
By whoever is in charge, Oversight, Oversight, Oversight!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:36 PM
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7. Nacchio and Qwest: Another Political Prosecution?
I placed a summary on another thread, in LBN. Rather than repeat the work here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3102995&mesg_id=3103103
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:42 PM
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8. Big Brother Loves You
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:19 PM
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10. It's not reciprocated.
:hi:
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:30 PM
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11. This is the same DoJ that prosecutes six times as many Dem politicians as Republicans.
Edited on Sat Dec-15-07 09:31 PM by Marr
You'd think these cowardly sellouts in the Senate would stand up for THEMSELVES, even if they won't stand up for the Constitution or the people.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:45 PM
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12. and the question is:
will the dems repeal this and all the other offensive things that * has put in place when they take office?
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