Do you believe a three day waiting period saves lives?

[Toots]

IMO it does.

[tekisui]

1. I would like to see some evidence, but I defintely think so.

Just among would-be suicides, I am sure the number is reduced.

[Toots]

2. Or battered wives

:shrug:

[Tejas]

21. or battered husbands - otherwise, it

doesn't prevent any of the many other forms of battery, attempted murder, murder by other means that make up half the homicides in this country.

Waste of money and more beaurocracy.

[nachoproblem]

3. I don't know, but it probably saves more lives

than a drive-thru gun window.

[alphafemale]

4. I think it can. In some isolated cases.

There have been cases, mostly "crimes of passion" type things where an individual discovers a spouse or SO is cheating and goes and buys a gun and blows them both away that day.

Of course it could also be dangerous to someone such as a battered spouse who was trying to make a break and needed to protect themselves.

So maybe a waiver so that you can buy a gun if a restraining order has been filed.

For all other people I don't see how a 3 day wait is that much of an imposition.

[frogcycle]

5. only if it is applied to the morning after pill

:)

for guns - not so much

otoh, there should not be many cases where it is that much of an imposition

[uppityperson]

24. Do you mean doing away with morning after pill?

Making women wait 3 days before taking it, thereby negating it? This saves lives?

[frogcycle]

25. it was a joke

of course I am not suggesting that

what I was saying, by way of what was intended to be humorous by its absurdity (the idea that a not-yet-implanted egg is a "life"), is that a 3-day waiting period is not going to be effective in saving lives in any context. The cases of a death by gun within 3 days of (legal) purchase are probably a small percentage, and of those, if the person had had to wait they very well may have, still been pissed, still done the deed. Or they'd just use a knife.

[uppityperson]

26. Got it, thanks. I can't keep everyone straight here.

[PSPS]

6. Homer SImpson: "Waiting period? But I'm mad now!"

[ingac70]

9. "Despite 3-day waiting period, 7,000 guns obtained illegally"

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20040727/ai_n14579824

[Toots]

11. Humorous but exactly my point.

Some people also refer to it as a cooling off period.

[slackmaster]

7. If you mean gun purchases, I'd like to see some data to support your opinion

In any case, I think it's logically pointless to make someone wait to buy a firearm if the person already owns one or more firearms.

[Occam Bandage]

13. What would such data look like?

[slackmaster]

14. Perhaps a comparison of rates of certian types of crimes among states with varying laws

Specifically, how often people are murdered by someone using a freshly purchased firearm, i.e. how often people buy firearms for the specific purpose of carrying out a "crime of passion" and actually go through with it. (My gut feeling: such incidents are so rare that it would be difficult to find enough data for a meaningful analysis.)

California has one of the longest waiting periods BTW - 10 days.

[Occam Bandage]

15. I think you're right when you say

"such incidents are so rare that it would be difficult to find enough data for a meaningful analysis," though I admit I don't really know. It seems that this debate is one of those unfortunate ones in which nobody is able to prove their case, and so both sides are forced to grasp at anecdotes, chains of tenuous logic, and appeals to general principles.

[Peregrine]

16. There is no waiting period if a person has a CCL

nt

[slackmaster]

34. Yes, in my case I get around it with my Federal Firearms License

No wait for purchasing curios and relics, and I can buy them in any state.

[ingac70]

8. I don't think so...

Because the potential perp can either wait three extra days to commit the crime or go purchase a used weapon in a private sale.

[mmonk]

10. Maybe but I see it as a minimalist approach.

I for one do not interpret the 2nd amendment as a prohibition on regulating firearms. I see it in an historical context as giving the states the right to a militia to guard against dictatorship from a concentrated power.

[madokie]

12. prolly does

who knows though. if I was to buy a gun it prolly wouldn't be from anyone who I would have to wait anytime for though

[TheFriendlyAnarchist]

17. It seems to me like a way to make those crimes premeditated.

If you can't get a gun to shoot someone now, you'll either cool off or plan for the next three days.

[Tejas]

22. or just use other means. n/t

[michreject]

18. No

Most have more than one. What purpose does a three day wait do when you have several dozen at home?

[L0oniX]

19. Before you have sex? hell ...that's what rubbers are for.

[ThomWV]

20. As a firm believer in the individual's right to bear arms I believ this is a reasonable regulation.

Because it keeps guns temporarly out of the hands of people who might be acting in the heat of passion. I would have to say this though, I could buy a gun on the street a lot faster and cheaper than I could through any legitimate dealer and were I a native of all places I could do it anywhere in the United States. That said, and if you accept what I've said, then it really doesn't make much difference about the waiting period.

[Toots]

28. All Laws become obsolete with that attitude

Yes anyone can break the law at any time. Is that a good reason to do away with all Laws?

[Tejas]

31. "feelgood" laws are obsolete before passage, BIG waste of time/effort/taxes

[iamthebandfanman]

23. yes

but i think mental health checks would help more ;)

[Paladin]

27. Yes (n/t)

[Irreverend IX]

29. No.

Crimes of passion are committed with lots of weapons; the guy with the cheating spouse could use a knife just as well as a gun. Most mass shooters do a fair bit of planning before the act, and suicides will find a way to check out regardless of the law. Regardless, many states allow people with concealed carry permits to buy handguns with no waiting period (and waiting periods usually only apply to handguns), and this should be the case in all states. There's no remotely logical reason for a waiting period if the buyer already owns firearms.

[AngryAmish]

30. Do you have evidence or data that says it does?

If so, keep it. If not, it is a waste.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

32. What three-day waiting period?

Where is there a 3-day waiting period? Not in MI or OH (the only places I've purchased guns).

A 3-day wait would pretty much kill the sales at two-day gunshows, where dealers travel a long way to set up their wares.

Are face-to-face private sales affected by this sort of delay? Currently there's no background check required for those sales (at least in MI)

[slackmaster]

35. In California we figured out how to accommodate a 10-day wait even at gun shows

When you make a purchase at a gun show, you and the seller walk the firearm over to an FFL holder who works near where you live. That person charges a fee, typically about $20, to hold your weapon for 10 days.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

36. Yes, that's a workaround ...

That can work, if there's a FFL convenient to the buyer, but the buyer is still out another $20. It just adds hassle to the process.

And if there's no FFL at the show who's within reasonable driving distance to the buyer, then the sale is probably off.

[Hangingon]

33. No