Let's not be angry in 08

[cooolandrew]

The stand-in bloke for Malloy did make a great point one of the things that lost it for dems in '04 was anger, he specifically said his own but I know he wasn't the only one. Republicans are really rady to be pursuaded in 08 we only need be... diplomatic. Just a thought...

[PBass]

1. well there is a lot to be angry about, so if you mean

lets just consider everything water under the bridge, and lets not rehash anything that's more than 3 months old, then I totally disagree.

But if you mean lets try to explain our positions without blowing our tops, and calling Bush "Chimpy" during a serious discussion, then I guess I can see the logic in that.

There are a lot of independants and even some conservatives who are waking up to Bush. We need to give them a little space. A lot of them will have their own reasons for being angry with Bush, we don't need to worry about a lack of anger on their part. It will come...

Now with the 25 percent of the country who are Bush Dead-Enders, nothing anyone says will ever penetrate their thick heads so it doesn't matter. They think the media is lying to them and the only politician they can trust is Dick Cheney. You can't reason with those people, it's like talking to a tree stump.

[liberal N proud]

2. Everyone in this nation should be angry

The problem is people are not angry enough.

I am mad as hell about where this nation is headed and you would think that true conservatives would be mad as hell about how they were duped into these record deficits. It goes against everything they claim to be.

[justgamma]

3. That's a RW talking point.

How many times did we hear from the wacky right that he or she is too angry to lead. Howard Dean is too angry. You don't want someone too angry.

It became so established that we couldn't utter the name Bush at our convention.

What happened at the Puke convention? All they did was bash the Dems. Did they sound angry. Yes, but the Dems must never be "angry" according to them.

[Warren Stupidity]

4. Let me think about that for a moment.....

hmmmm.... well no, I think that is

BULLSHIT

.


Offhand I'd say that a weak campaign by Kerry, a controlled media that operated on the behalf of the Republican campaign, and widespread election fraud had a lot more to do with why Kerry is not president (and given what happened in Ohio he, like Gore, ought to have been president).

I'm fine with my anger. There is a lot to be angry about. I'm sorry that some buffoon state otherwise.

[seabeyond]

5. the public said tired of negative. kerry ran a positive campaign listening to the people

that didnt pay off. something he admits he wouldnt do in the future. our dems dont run angry, negative or ugly, that is the republican party. it is NOT they both do it. the dem does not.

now if malloy is personally talking about himself, yes.... i sont listen to him because he goes into two year old tantrums. it is more than ok with me that he grows up and knocks it off. i am not talking about not being angry, i think repugs are going to give us plenty to be angry about and as kerry and others have done in the last two years, call them on every damn thing immediately

[Hawaii Hiker]

6. Well, maybe not angry, but I still haven't

gotten over Kerry losing in 2004....I was so confidant that Kerry was going to win, & then the rug was pulled right underneath me....Had GW's presidency at least ended without being able to appoint any justice(s) to the Supreme Court, I'd been somewhat relieved...But since he was able to put 2 far right nutcases on that court, (hopefully no more!, please John Paul Stevens don't retire!) well, I'm sure as hell upset about that...

Look, it's ok to be a little upset, I mean, Gore wins the popular vote & loses an extremely close election in 2000....Kerry gives up on Ohio without a fight, & another close election is lost in 2004...

While I agree that it's good to be civil in discussions without excessive name-calling, I think one can't help being a little angry of what has happened to this country since GW has been president...

Besides, right-wingers wrote the book on anger....Very few Democrats can match the anger & hatred of the right, and proof of that is look ar their radio & TV hosts (Limbaugh, Savage, O'Lielly, Hannity, etc.), nothing but a bunch of extremely angry & bitter hosts preaching to an extremely angry & bitter audience....

I remember back in 2004, many were calling that the most important election in our lifetime, well, that's been surpassed as 2008 will be even more important!

[Bucky]

7. In literature, this is called the Pathetic Fallacy

That is, the false belief that the weather or other large scale world events are mere reflection of your internal moods, or pathos. We feel angry because we feel impotent about this war. That didn't cost us votes. Bush's lies did. I agree we should campaign smart, but I don't think our moods cost us the last election.

[TheWatcher]

8. Wow, those are good drugs you are on.

The reason the Dems lost in 2004 was massive Election Fraud. But of course, THAT'S just a whacky conspiracy theory. :sarcasm:

As far as being diplomatic goes, you must be on Crack if you think it's time to be diplomatic.

You understand not one whit about your adversary.

This administration has lied us into a war, they are attempting to start World War III, and increase troop levels in Iraq even though the entire world is against it.

They let a major metropolitan city DROWN after they worst natural disaster in this country's history.

They have passed draconian legislation that has all but nullified the Constitution and WILL move us into a Police State if it is not overturned.

They have demonstrated time and again they do not care about the will of the people, The Constitution, The Rule Of Law, or Human Life itself.

And you want to be diplomatic.

Your country has been hijacked by the biggest, baddest, most criminal bully to ever grace any sandbox.

And you want to play nice.

Whatever.

As for me, I don't negotiate with terrorists.

[HeeBGBz]

9. Not ready to make nice

Not ready to back down
I'm still mad as hell
And I don't have time
To go round and round
It's too late to make it right
I probably wouldn't if I could
Cause I'm mad as hell
Can't bring myself to do what it is
You think I should

[Skidmore]

10. Pa-tooey.

I'd say anger carried Republics very far indeed. Perhaps a little righteous anger on the part of the left may help repair the damage that the Rs have done to the nation.

[dae]

19. I call your Pa-tooey and raise you a Rat's-Patootey,

I have more than a little righteous anger built up myself. It's time to:kick:some Republic butt!

[Bake]

21. I'll see your rat's patooey and raise you a FAT rat's patooey!

Anger can be very energizing. Very mobilizing. Angry voters GO TO THE POLLS. Anger is passionate. Anger can be your friend (at least, or especially, in this context). Angry voters in 2006 turned out and VOTED.

If I were a Repub, I'd be afraid ... very afraid.

Bake

[choie]

11. I don't think war criminals

deserve diplomacy - only the most severe disgust and vitriol.

[cooolandrew]

12. Well, relax a little yes angry at Bush no problem but there are folks out there willing to listen.

[ComerPerro]

13. The Republicans were angrier and more hateful than any Dem I ever saw

[cooolandrew]

14. I hang out on a voice chat paltalk and am only taking a sample from there really

[cooolandrew]

15. All I am saying is I hear a bit more remorse on the right they are ready to be coaxed over I feel.

[ComerPerro]

17. honestly? Fuck them. They damn well should feel remorse.

[Hippo_Tron]

26. Seriously, look at Zell Miller at the Repulican National Convention in 2004

[Strawman]

16. Haven't seen "rhetorical anger" in many studies that model election outcomes.

Maybe if John Kerry hadn't been the second coming of Huey Long he would have won by more votes than he probably did. :sarcasm:

I'm sorry. I think what that guy said is absurd.

[WindRavenX]

18. Fuck that attitude--I am angry as hell.

This country has shit the bed the past 6 years, and I'm not going to be "diplomatic" over it.

[redqueen]

20. I agree.

I find that anger is preferable to sadness, as a reaction... however if you're trying to persuade someone else to see things from your point of view, it seems to be more of a hindrance than a help. Many people may react defensively to it, and as a result would be more inclined to continue to see the issue from the other side, rather than yours.

[Bake]

22. Angry but FOCUSED.

Let's get our message out - strident when necessary, but focused like a laser beam.

Oh, and I think I misspelled "patootie" (above) ...

Bake

[mnhtnbb]

25. Ha! You were posting while I was typing!

[mnhtnbb]

23. How about we focus our anger into getting what we want in 2008?

[Bake]

28. Hell to the YEAH!

Bake

[Individualist]

24. Anyone who isn't angry hasn't been paying attention!

[walldude]

27. Too late...

How can I see veterans come back and be treated like crap by the very people who claim that it is us who are not "supporting the troops" and not be downright furious? I could spend all day listing the reasons to be angry but I'm in no mood to drive myself crazy..

[uppityperson]

29. You mean like my example #1 rather than #2?

Example 1: Hi. I know you were worried about getting attacked again. Wasn't that just a horrendous thing that happened? I know you didn't mean to have thousands more people killed but were just worried about standing tall and strong and taking care of ourselves. I bet you feel really bad that so many people have died and suffered even though no one could have predicted it, so would you vote for the Democrat candidate so we can bring our troops home? Please?

Example 2: You righteous piece of fundamentalist b*shit! You were directly responsible for selling out so many of our rights and freedoms and causing so much pain and suffering you sure as hell SHOULD feel bad and if you don't vote Democratic you are going to HELL!!!