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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:30 AM
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Michael Moore on Edwards! (and Clinton and Obama)
Just got this email... it's outstanding.



Who Do We Vote For This Time Around? A Letter from Michael Moore

January 2, 2008

Friends,

A new year has begun. And before we've had a chance to break our New Year's resolutions, we find ourselves with a little more than 24 hours before the good people of Iowa tell us whom they would like to replace the man who now occupies three countries and a white house.

Twice before, we have begun the process to stop this man, and twice we have failed. Eight years of our lives as Americans will have been lost, the world left in upheaval against us... and yet now, today, we hope against hope that our moment has finally arrived, that the amazingly powerful force of the Republican Party will somehow be halted. But we know that the Democrats are experts at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and if there's a way to blow this election, they will find it and do it with gusto.

Do you feel the same as me? That the Democratic front-runners are a less-than-stellar group of candidates, and that none of them are the "slam dunk" we wish they were? Of course, there are wonderful things about each of them. Any one of them would be infinitely better than what we have now. Personally, Congressman Kucinich, more than any other candidate, shares the same positions that I have on the issues (although the UFO that picked ME up would only take me as far as Kalamazoo). But let's not waste time talking about Dennis. Even he is resigned to losing, with statements like the one he made yesterday to his supporters in Iowa to throw their support to Senator Obama as their "second choice."

So, it's Hillary, Obama, Edwards -- now what do we do?

Two months ago, Rolling Stone magazine asked me to do a cover story where I would ask the hard questions that no one was asking in one-on-one interviews with Senators Clinton, Obama and Edwards. "The Top Democrats Face Off with Michael Moore." The deal was that all three candidates had to agree to let me interview them or there was no story. Obama and Edwards agreed. Mrs. Clinton said no, and the cover story was thus killed.

Why would the love of my life, Hillary Clinton, not sit down to talk with me? What was she afraid of?

Those of you who are longtime readers of mine may remember that 11 years ago I wrote a chapter (in my first book) entitled, "My Forbidden Love for Hillary." I was fed up with the treatment she was getting, most of it boringly sexist, and I thought somebody should stand up for her. I later met her and she thanked me for referring to her as "one hot s***kicking feminist babe." I supported and contributed to her run for the U.S. Senate. I think she is a decent and smart person who loves this country, cares deeply about kids, and has put up with more crap than anyone I know of (other than me) from the Crazy Right. Her inauguration would be a thrilling sight, ending 218 years of white male rule in a country where 51% of its citizens are female and 64% are either female or people of color.

And yet, I am sad to say, nothing has disappointed me more than the disastrous, premeditated vote by Senator Hillary Clinton to send us to war in Iraq. I'm not only talking about her first vote that gave Mr. Bush his "authorization" to invade -- I'm talking about every single OTHER vote she then cast for the next four years, backing and funding Bush's illegal war, and doing so with verve. She never met a request from the White House for war authorization that she didn't like. Unlike the Kerrys and the Bidens who initially voted for authorization but later came to realize the folly of their decision, Mrs. Clinton continued to cast numerous votes for the war until last March -- four long years of pro-war votes, even after 70% of the American public had turned against the war. She has steadfastly refused to say that she was wrong about any of this, and she will not apologize for her culpability in America's worst-ever foreign policy disaster. All she can bring herself to say is that ! she was "misled" by "faulty intelligence."

Let's assume that's true. Do you want a President who is so easily misled? I wasn't "misled," and millions of others who took to the streets in February of 2003 weren't "misled" either. It was simply amazing that we knew the war was wrong when none of us had been briefed by the CIA, none of us were national security experts, and none of us had gone on a weapons inspection tour of Iraq. And yet... we knew we were being lied to! Let me ask those of you reading this letter: Were YOU "misled" -- or did you figure it out sometime between October of 2002 and March of 2007 that George W. Bush was up to something rotten? Twenty-three other senators were smart enough to figure it out and vote against the war from the get-go. Why wasn't Senator Clinton?

I have a theory: Hillary knows the sexist country we still live in and that one of the reasons the public, in the past, would never consider a woman as president is because she would also be commander in chief. The majority of Americans were concerned that a woman would not be as likely to go to war as a man (horror of horrors!). So, in order to placate that mindset, perhaps she believed she had to be as "tough" as a man, she had to be willing to push The Button if necessary, and give the generals whatever they wanted. If this is, in fact, what has motivated her pro-war votes, then this would truly make her a scary first-term president. If the U.S. is faced with some unforeseen threat in her first years, she knows that in order to get re-elected she'd better be ready to go all Maggie Thatcher on whoever sneezes in our direction. Do we want to risk this, hoping the world makes it in one piece to her second term?

I have not even touched on her other numerous -- and horrendous -- votes in the Senate, especially those that have made the middle class suffer even more (she voted for Bush's first bankruptcy bill, and she is now the leading recipient of payoff money -- I mean campaign contributions -- from the health care industry). I know a lot of you want to see her elected, and there is a very good chance that will happen. There will be plenty of time to vote for her in the general election if all the pollsters are correct. But in the primaries and caucuses, isn't this the time to vote for the person who most reflects the values and politics you hold dear? Can you, in good conscience, vote for someone who so energetically voted over and over and over again for the war in Iraq? Please give this serious consideration.

Now, on to the two candidates who did agree to do the interview with me...

Barack Obama is a good and inspiring man. What a breath of fresh air! There's no doubting his sincerity or his commitment to trying to straighten things out in this country. But who is he? I mean, other than a guy who gives a great speech? How much do any of us really know about him? I know he was against the war. How do I know that? He gave a speech before the war started. But since he joined the senate, he has voted for the funds for the war, while at the same time saying we should get out. He says he's for the little guy, but then he votes for a corporate-backed bill to make it harder for the little guy to file a class action suit when his kid swallows lead paint from a Chinese-made toy. In fact, Obama doesn't think Wall Street is a bad place. He wants the insurance companies to help us develop a new health care plan -- the same companies who have created the mess in the first place. He's such a feel-good kinda guy, I get the sense that, if elected, the Republicans will eat him! for breakfast. He won't even have time to make a good speech about it.

But this may be a bit harsh. Senator Obama has a big heart, and that heart is in the right place. Is he electable? Will more than 50% of America vote for him? We'd like to believe they would. We'd like to believe America has changed, wouldn't we? Obama lets us feel better about ourselves -- and as we look out the window at the guy snowplowing his driveway across the street, we want to believe he's changed, too. But are we dreaming?

And then there's John Edwards.

It's hard to get past the hair, isn't it? But once you do -- and recently I have chosen to try -- you find a man who is out to take on the wealthy and powerful who have made life so miserable for so many. A candidate who says things like this: "I absolutely believe to my soul that this corporate greed and corporate power has an ironclad hold on our democracy." Whoa. We haven't heard anyone talk like that in a while, at least not anyone who is near the top of the polls. I suspect this is why Edwards is doing so well in Iowa, even though he has nowhere near the stash of cash the other two have. He won't take the big checks from the corporate PACs, and he is alone among the top three candidates in agreeing to limit his spending and be publicly funded. He has said, point-blank, that he's going after the drug companies and the oil companies and anyone else who is messing with the American worker. The media clearly find him to be a threat, probably because he will go after their monopol! istic power, too. This is Roosevelt/Truman kind of talk. That's why it's resonating with people in Iowa, even though he doesn't get the attention Obama and Hillary get -- and that lack of coverage may cost him the first place spot tomorrow night. After all, he is one of those white guys who's been running things for far too long.

And he voted for the war. But unlike Senator Clinton, he has stated quite forcefully that he was wrong. And he has remorse. Should he be forgiven? Did he learn his lesson? Like Hillary and Obama, he refused to promise in a September debate that there will be no U.S. troops in Iraq by the end of his first term in 2013. But this week in Iowa, he changed his mind. He went further than Clinton and Obama and said he'd have all the troops home in less than a year.

Edwards is the only one of the three front-runners who has a universal health care plan that will lead to the single-payer kind all other civilized countries have. His plan doesn't go as fast as I would like, but he is the only one who has correctly pointed out that the health insurance companies are the enemy and should not have a seat at the table.

I am not endorsing anyone at this point. This is simply how I feel in the first week of the process to replace George W. Bush. For months I've been wanting to ask the question, "Where are you, Al Gore?" You can only polish that Oscar for so long. And the Nobel was decided by Scandinavians! I don't blame you for not wanting to enter the viper pit again after you already won. But getting us to change out our incandescent light bulbs for some irritating fluorescent ones isn't going to save the world. All it's going to do is make us more agitated and jumpy and feeling like once we get home we haven't really left the office.

On second thought, would you even be willing to utter the words, "I absolutely believe to my soul that this corporate greed and corporate power has an ironclad hold on our democracy?" 'Cause the candidate who understands that, and who sees it as the root of all evil -- including the root of global warming -- is the President who may lead us to a place of sanity, justice and peace.

Yours,

Michael Moore (not an Iowa voter, but appreciative of any state that has a town named after a sofa)
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:33 AM
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1. So really he's endorsing Edwards, :)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:04 AM
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3. Uses Edward's statement on corporate greed as the benchmark!
"I absolutely believe to my soul that this corporate greed and corporate power has an ironclad hold on our democracy?" EXCELLENT!
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:02 AM
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2. If it walks like a duck, etc. - sure sounds like an endorsement
Moore sounds an awful lot like me: Kucinich's positions are the ones I most identify with - he can't win - Edwards is saying the right things and demonstrating that he knows what the real issues are facing this country.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:08 AM
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4. I think he was saying that he was backing Kooch until Kooch told his people to back Obama tomorrow
Edited on Wed Jan-02-08 11:09 AM by Yael
Thats how I read it anyway.

Edit to add where I am getting this from:
But let's not waste time talking about Dennis. Even he is resigned to losing, with statements like the one he made yesterday to his supporters in Iowa to throw their support to Senator Obama as their "second choice."
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 12:07 PM
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10. I think you're right - his statement about supporting the person
closest to your positions/values in the primary indicates it. Kucinich knows he can't win, hence the instructions. Maybe he should just drop out and endorse Obama?
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:08 AM
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5. Yeah, that's where I'm at as well. Agree w/DK, will likely go w/JE
That aside, we just watched "Sicko" last night and am floored by it...
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:13 AM
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6. this one thing should be in bold -
His thoughts on Clinton -

"she is now the leading recipient of payoff money -- I mean campaign contributions -- from the health care industry). "

Enough said. Well said Michael!
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:27 AM
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7. He put this on MySpace too...
Heh.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:31 AM
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8. I have great respect for Michael Moore, a true patriot...
Glad to see him focusing on these words: "I absolutely believe to my soul that this corporate greed and corporate power has an ironclad hold on our democracy?"
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:35 AM
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9. K&R
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 12:18 PM
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11. MICHAEL!
:applause:
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 12:21 PM
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12. This is great news for the Edwards campaign!
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 01:03 PM
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13. I don't believe we can get reforms passed
to make mandates a good idea. I just don't.

The health insurance industry is a giant with an army of lobbyists, and they have democrats on their side. How the hell are we going to beat them at their own game when it's like this? We'll end up with a Romneycare style plan, and the working poor will continue to be fucked over by these people, while the politicians brag about fixing our healthcare problem.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 01:36 PM
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14. Good article, Michael Moore!~
I was wondering what Michael thought about all of this..I was thinking he wouldn't be going for Wesley Clark's endorsement even though Moore endorsed Clark the last go around. Things change.

Michael's funny about "getting past the hair" and then zeroing in on Edwards' statement, "I absolutely believe to my soul that this corporate greed and corporate power has an ironclad hold on our democracy?" It doesn't take Einstein..just someone who's paying attention.

I'm certainly glad Michael brought out hillary's, nose being led around by the bushits, actions.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:39 PM
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15. K&R for Michael Moore
:toast:


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.



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Dem_4_Life Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 09:02 PM
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16. YAY! I was so glad to read this. nt
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 09:14 PM
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17. Nice!
K & R
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:52 PM
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18. After reading this politically correct mush
Edited on Wed Jan-02-08 11:57 PM by sjdnb
I just wanted to yell at Michael. His softening on Hillary (making excuses) and Obama (blaming the fact that many might not want to vote for him on the fact he is (dare I say it) black) is nothing but blatant pandering.

For goodness sakes, Mike, have you listened to them, looked at their voting records, read their policy statements/proposals???? It's not cuz they might be unelectable due to race or gender ... since when do real Progressives give a rat's rear about electability? It's because they are doing the same thing you are in this piece ... pandering, playing it safe ... IN OTHER WORDS, not standing up for principles when it might damage them politically.

Yeah, sure, any Dem is better than GW Bush or many of his wanna be replacements. But, is that what America needs right now? Just something better than awful?

No, we need a strong, fearless, dedicated voice to lead this country back to the principles it was founded upon --- civil liberties, freedom from government intrusion on our privacy, equality, justice, opportunity, fairness ....

And, to date, for me, while Al Gore or Russ Feingold would have been my 'perfect' candidates, only one of the currently active candidates represents these principles - and, that is John Edwards.

But, instead of taking this chance to shout out loud for Edwards, you precipitated it with politically calculated excuses. That is neither bold nor courageous.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 02:36 AM
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19. "Where are you Al Gore?" I dunno. Where did you "Gore is the same as Bush" Nadarites put Gore?
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 02:40 AM by McCamy Taylor
That's right. You put him so close to Bush that Jeb was able to steal the Florida election with a little voter disenfranchisement, a butterfly ballot and some last minute flip flopping vote totals in west Florida--- all calculated by Karl Rove, who is very adept at that kind of "The Math". The theft was enabled by the "Gore is the same as Bush" narrative which Moore helped spread, since the press was able to persuade Americans that it didn't really matter if their vote was stolen or if the SCOTUS intervened and selected the winner---they would get the same kind of president either way.

Michael Moore is going to have to do a lot more than make a couple of movies and endorse Edwards to make up for the hell he put this country through with his bs meddling in political affairs.

While I believe that Edwards is the best candidate, why would anyone pay any attention to anything that Michael Moore has to say about the running of our government? Given his track record, he is obviously an entertainer who should stick to what he knows---making films---and he should leave policy to those who understand it.

I am waiting for an endorsement from someone whose opinion I value--like Al Gore, the man who most decidedly is not like George W. Bush.


:grr:

And what is up with the hair comment? Moore really is an idiot. "Edwards is a phony" is a media construct---pure GOP propaganda that should be obvious to any film maker. Maybe Moore is trying to be coy. However rather than playing cute, he would better off spending his time denouncing the corporate media---oh, but then he might not get his next project financed and his next film released.

Never mind.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:09 PM
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20. Michael Moore, an American hero.
Thanks for posting this excellent, lucid and persuasive letter.
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