Dennis Kucinich on Thom Hartmann show NOW

[helderheid]

http://www.novamradio.com/index.php?pid=30

[helderheid]

1. Dennis is sounding pissed.

[helderheid]

2. Hartmann said "let's move on unless you want to finish your rant". Woah.

[Clintonista2]

3. that was rude

[never_get_over_it]

7. Sort of

but Thom uses that phrase all the time and I think Thom meant it the way he uses it and Dennis took it the way anybody not familiar with Thom would - Dennis let him have it - and Thom apologized - but the interview did seem somewhat strained on Thom's side after that exchange.....

Thom is actually a pretty big Kucinich supporter and I do believe he didn't mean any offense by it.

[Gold Metal Flake]

9. After the break, Thom came on and explained that no offense was meant.

"...but Thom uses that phrase all the time and I think Thom meant it the way he uses it and Dennis took it the way anybody not familiar with Thom would..."

Exactly how Thom explained it. Recall that he used to have a section of his website with essays titled "Thom's Rants".

[robbedvoter]

13. Nice try, but the tone was rude throughout - cutting him off like a mediawhore.

Sorry, but I had a Press the Meat deja vu with this interview.

[Gold Metal Flake]

18. Thom Hartmann, Media Whore.

:eyes:

[robbedvoter]

20. He certainly went Russert on the competition that's for sure!

[Gold Metal Flake]

22. He went "Russert".

:eyes:

[robbedvoter]

29. Meaning he hounded and pestered DK with the same question over and over

even as DK was answering it "but what would you do about it?" Just because he bought lock stock and barrel Edwards' stupid idea about 527s and wanted DK to articulate THAT or else.
Reminded me of Russert tearing to pieces the Florida candidate for Governor opposing Jeb in 2004: but how would you pay for it?" Poor guy started answering 5-6 times only to be cut off again: "but how would you pay for it?"

[Gold Metal Flake]

30. Hmm. What you have posted is bullshit.

Perhaps others may want to listen to the interview so they can understand my assesment of your assertions. I uploaded the Kucinich interview for the convenience of others.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/1/2/1676021/HartmannShow-%282-1-2008%29_kucinich.mp3

You may wish to consult a professional on the state of your memory. Or, perhaps you'd like to fold over your lapel and show us your hidden "I Love Timmeh" pin.

Edit: I spelled Timmeh Tinmmeh.

[robbedvoter]

17. Thom a DK supporter? He might as well be on the Edwards payroll for the propadanda

he airs for him for months and months now.

[Gold Metal Flake]

31. Thom donated to the DK campaign.

But, whatever.

:eyes:

[fascisthunter]

25. I didn't Hear the Interview but Did He Say That?

Given that context, he was way out of line.

[wiggs]

4. Please post what he says about supporting Obama instead of Edwards. nt

[never_get_over_it]

6. The interview was recorded before

Dennis made the statement to support Obama if he didn't make the 15% in the first round...

[travelingtypist]

5. Thanks.

I thought that sounded like Dennis, but with the way Thom
is arguing with him -- Thom said the rant comment was about
himself, but I'm not buying it -- you wouldn't know Dennis
is the left-most candidate in the field.

Yikes.

[JDPriestly]

8. It is getting stressful. This is the time you measure the person.

Kucinich has lost it. He is focusing on what others have done wrong, not on what he will do right.

[crikkett]

10. He's not allowed to say what's wrong?

[JDPriestly]

15. He is allowed to, but he is not wise to say things that are

negative about other candidates in the way he is saying them. Kucinich's statements sound jealous and peevish. I understand that he is tired and probably somewhat disappointed. He should not be. He has heroically shifted the discussion in this primary to progressive issues and ideas. He should not be frustrated.

The candidates all borrow from each other -- that is perfectly OK. You can't copyright political ideas. One of the tests of a politician's skill is his or her ability to persuade others to agree with him or her. Personally, I believe that Edwards arrived at his opinions pretty much on his own and through his contact with voters, but, if Edwards has also learned from Kucinich, good for both of them. There is nothing wrong with that.

Edwards is a great communicator.

Every Democratic candidate in this contest would make a great president. So, "losing" this primary is no shame. I hope Kucinich continues to speak out on progressive issues and strengthens his presentation. Win or lose, he has led the way in this campaign in his own way.

[robbedvoter]

28. No kidding! Not wise, huh? But it's wise of Edwards to attack Hillary for things he did

himself (i.e - recently - wanting to start a war with Iran?)
I see I am in the middle of the fan club again - the guy I like can, the others can't...Funny you should use the words "great communicator" for your candidate...Raygun used to be called that...About just as trustworthy both.

[robbedvoter]

12. No, he didn't lose it. He sees a candidate running on his issues, using 527 money

and asking to outlaw them - and getting away with the whole "I am a progressive during the primaries". His statements were purely factual - and on the issues, not personal. It's called campaigning, you know.

[JDPriestly]

14. Kucinich should be happy that he has contributed to

making it OK to express progressive ideas in this campaign. If the other candidates have come closer to his ideas, then he should congratulate himself on having won what he could win in this primary. Kucinich has done a good job. Winning can mean different things at different times.

Edwards invoked and old saying when Clinton came out with her health care plan that was quite similar to Edwards' own plan: Imitation is the highest form of flattery. Kucinich should be thanking Edwards for agreeing with his ideas. You cannot copyright political ideas. Kucinich does not own his ideas. Politics is a conversation, a discussion. We are all always learning and developing new ideas.

Kucinich is overly emotional. He needs to relax and be thankful that the top candidates have moved toward his views. That is quite a victory for him and for all progressives.

[robbedvoter]

16. It's nice of you to decide what should make DK happy - I expect your candidate

gets the followers he deserves. I remember a speech in Israel about attacking Iran where he said how we'd be brought to accept this new war...Guy knows what makes everyone happy, don't he?
I recognize imitation-progressive a mile away!

[MuseRider]

19. Maybe part of the "overly emotional"

has to do with losing his brother recently. The stress of the campaign, holiday season, being not included added to the death of his brother might make him a little testier than normal. I know it would me.

Edit, coughed and left out a letter :)

[robbedvoter]

21. DK was not overly or under-emotional. He was fine. Thom was out of line. Period.

[MuseRider]

23. I was just wondering

since I did not hear it but I have read so many nasty things about DK during the interview. I kinda figured it was something like that but since I did not hear it I was just wondering. The reason I put over emotional in quotes was because you had used it before I posted and I wanted you to know that was what I was talking about. No biggie here.

[robbedvoter]

11. Hartman has been an Edwards mouthpiece for months - and was rude and disingenuous to DK

I stopped listening to his show for some time for this reason, but today I needed the radio on so I caught that and his fending callers after that. It was very embarrassing and I lost any shred of trust in this guy.
Basically DK said that, like with all else, the 527 grandstanding was hypocritical of Edwards who has ex-campaign managers heading 527s for him in his state. It's when Hartman got pissy and started interrupting DK Ruslut style "you didn't te;; me how you would change it"
I heard his stupid theory about outlawing the 527s (Hartman's, not Edwards'). he says that members of unions would follow the urge to donate to candidates because they are democratic, but corporation members. employees wouldn't. Hey, Tom, did you hear of bundling? I learned what it was in 2004 - reading about Edwards getting money from law firms. Your boss asks you to use your name for a donation - are you gonna refuse?

[fascisthunter]

24. Thom Did Pretend to not have a Prefered Candidate

It was obvious to me that he had chosen Edwards. I lost a little respect for him then.

[JSK]

26. Do you listen to Thom regularly?

He has stated often that the candidate he most agrees with is Kucinich. He refers to Kucinich as a friend. He will not officially "endorse" anyone, but he has said that the only candidate he has given money to is Edwards. He says that he believes that out of all the dem hopefuls, Edwards would make the best president but that he will wholeheartedly support whoever is nominated.

[fascisthunter]

27. Yes I Do.. and Didn't Buy It

I know what he said

PS - I like Edwards too

[MH1]

32. Someone I know listens to him regularly, says he is clearly an Edwards guy.

I kind of like Hartmann when I hear him but I can't listen to talk radio during at work and won't listen to internet radio when I'm home, so don't hear him much. But anyway this friend is a reliable source and says Hartmann's been in Edwards camp for a while.

[fascisthunter]

33. Hartmann Has One of THE Best Shows

Very informative, however he is definitely biased on this issue. I had to turn him off, because it was very obvious to me, yet he would try to claim otherwise which made me think less of him.

I am hoping on hearing this interview in its entirety to make up my own mind on what actually happened here. But the bias I know was already there.