I, for one, do NOT congratulate Obama tonight. I do not like the negative campaign he has run

[journalist3072]

Although it might be the politcally correct thing to congratulate Obama tonight, I do not.

I do not like the campaign he has run.

He's run a very uninspiring, disingenuous campaign. For example, his baseless assertion that Sen. Clinton is only running for President because of some sense of entitlement to the White House.

It seems to me that people have gotten caught up in his hype, without knowing what he's really all about. And if the Democratic Party lets him become the nominee, it will regret it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. Seems like that's the reason she's running to me.

:shrug:

It can't be because she's a good candidate. Because she ain't.

[skipos]

4. Sour grapes post #43 of 12034897453

I was rooting for Biden. He got thumped. Congrats to Obama. He could be a good nominee.

[Darth_Kitten]

50. Good nominee?

Yes, he could bring everybody "hope".

:sarcasm:

[Mudoria]

67. Not only "hope"

but the "Audacity" of it no less. :eyes:

[skipos]

75. We are DOOOOOOOOOOOMED!

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!

[skipos]

74. You are right, Obama SUUUCKS!1! We are DOOOOMED!1!! We should all just die

and get it over with!!11! I wasn't even rooting for Obama, but I am not tempted to be defeatist crybaby about it.

[skipos]

5. -

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[blogslut]

6. I am shocked, shocked I tell ya!

not

[ChairmanAgnostic]

7. they NEVER quit, do they?

a black man, in a lily white state, beating the queen bee that her own supporters claimed was a guaranteed victory.

A progressive pol in a conservative state, with 3x the turn out on the D side compared to the R side.

give
me
a
fucking
break.

[Kittycat]

8. Clinton has been quite negative herself. Not to mention...

That she represents more of the same old big corporate interests. I'll take Obama over her any day. It's time for change, and HC isn't Bill. I really wish people would wake up and realize what was can't be again.

[AlCzervik]

9. he won, accept it. Maybe things will change in NH.

[LibraLiz1973]

10. I agree 1,000% that people are getting caught up in his hype

without really examining his message.

I guess congratulations are in order, but, from my end they aren't heartfelt. At all.

I seriously doubt he could win a National election. And before people pile on... the reasons I think he can't win have NOTHING to do with race.
If anything, that gives him a boost over what he should have. Again because people are believing the hype.

Obama isn't the change our country needs.

[LostinVA]

15. Excellent post

I agree about the hype.

[ElizabethDC]

20. Well said. I feel very much the same way. n/t

[Darth_Kitten]

52. He strikes me as a "yes" man.........

Sorry, but he does. Too wet behind the ears, lacking in experience, wanting to please all the special interests.

The U.S. needs a fighter against all the special interests. JMO

[dansolo]

54. Neither is Edwards

Sorry, but from my perspective, none of the three leading candidates are the "change our country needs" The closest we got to that was squandered four years ago (and I ain't talking about Kerry)

[geardaddy]

107. I'm with you there... n/t

[krabigirl]

64. Agree with all of your points.

[Chovexani]

81. You're spot on about the hype

Unfortunately we got to see the man behind the curtain in South Carolina.

[ProfessorGAC]

106. Prove It

Prove that's the reason why people like him. You and the whole crowd sour grapes crowd are now those with the burden of proof.
The Professor

[Chovexani]

112. Whoa, back the fuck up with the pigeonholing, bro

My mom and I actually met Obama a few years ago, at the Congressional Black Caucus Legislative Conference. This was right when Katrina happened, the weekend before Rita hit. Funny enough, he was on stage with Hillary in a panel discussion on Katrina. I liked a lot of what he had to say back then. I'm more disappointed in Obama than anything because he's turned out to be just another empty, politicking suit despite all that junk he talks about change.

I don't have sour grapes because I don't give a shit, I have no dog in this fight. I will hold my nose and vote for whoever the D is after the dust settles, 'cause I'd rather slit my wrists than ever vote Puke, but I am not thrilled by anyone out there, except the little guy who doesn't have a chance in hell. Because at the end of the day, I still can't marry the woman I love, she still doesn't have health insurance, and I still can't be out at work because I don't know if they'll use it as an excuse to fire me. Yes, the D will always be better than the R for me, I'm well aware of that. But forgive me for being less than thrilled with this crowd.

[lisainmilo]

99. agree

Sadly, now we know what the extra 5 million dollars in campaign ads buys... (again)...

[ProfessorGAC]

105. Prove It

Man, i am so tired of this quasi-intellectual claptrap.

You have ZERO proof that those who support Obama are doing so because they don't know the issues and are "caught in the hype".

That's intellectual laziness, and sour grapes, to boot.
The Professor

[LostinVA]

11. Good post

[WillowTree]

12. Whatever.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

13. "You'll regret it...."

Jebbus F'n Christo. Get a life.

Your Hillary campaign here at DU couldn't have been much more negative.

[rodeodance]

14. I am not happy that Obama won. He rubs me the wrong way.

[Lerkfish]

27. hopefully you will not join the OP and vote republican, though.

that would be a shame. I understand not being happy, though.

[stickernation]

88. that same wincing Bush feeling

I have so much trouble watching Bush on the television. It makes me squirm, watching him "speak" and "joke".

Obama is triggering the same sense of unease in me. And his most ardent supporters are such stereotypes of what "liberal" has come to mean. They have not said a thing to impress me to date, they simply go "Believe it!" and "Fired Up!" like Arthur Dent if he had had his brain removed on Magrathea ("Where's the tea?")

Not being white or christian, I don't have race guilt or preacher-hypnotism to push me into Obama's camp - I am immune. And this guy is pretty phony from my perspective - what he has said, for real, is incredibly scary and non-progressive in my opinion.

But he's a "community organizer from 'way back". Yeah, well, he probably sopped up the credit for other people's hard work. I think that's what they teach at Harvard Law.

I'll just say that he'll have my support in the General if he's the candidate, but mostly because I am going to trust in the judgement of the cool people in the Democratic Party, not in Barack Obama (unless he is able to change my mind somehow, there's always that). however, it is hard not to believe that the cool people of the DP are being had, big-time.

[donheld]

91. You keep that to yourself

If the media finds out he's rubbing you they'll be trouble :hide::D

[HughMoran]

16. Where (aside from on DU) has he been negative

I've only seen negativity here - not out there...

[Occulus]

43. I took the entire McClurkin incident as a deeply personal insult

I'm not the only one

and I'm NOT fucking "over it".

That hurt.

[LostinVA]

94. I know

[WilliamPitt]

17. Wow. I'm convinced.

Um...

[ElizabethDC]

18. While I agree with many of your points, I still must congratulate him

He won, fair and square. But the race isn't over yet, so don't fret. On to New Hampshire! :)

[Common Sense Party]

19. I am taking my ball and going home. nt

[Yael]

21. Off to the greatest with you

Couldn't agree more.

[robinlynne]

22. I am thrilled it was not Clinton. Let the race be between obama and edwards.

That's something I can get excited about.

[book_worm]

23. Oh, tsk tsk--sore loser.

[burythehatchet]

24. attaboy

[alcibiades_mystery]

58. ROFL

[City Lights]

25. Whatev...

[RB TexLa]

26. If you think anything in this campaign has been negative you need to come to Louisianan one day

and see real politics the way it's supposed to be played. And I'm not talking about the ads on television and radio.

[judaspriestess]

28. I am not on the Obama bandwagon but I congratulate him

none the less. I am thrilled Edwards came in second, momentum baby, momentum

[grace0418]

29. I happen to agree with the entitlement assertion. Obama may not be my first choice

but I don't think that was an especially negative thing to say about Clinton. It was spot on, IMHO.

[girl gone mad]

30. He did what he had to do to win.

Politics is a tough sport. He and his supporters deserve props tonight.

[KaptBunnyPants]

31. We're going to have to get behind our guy (or gal) in the end...

I think we'd do well to avoid being too bitter over these primary battles. I'm still backing Edwards, but Obama is a good man and if he wins the nomination then he will deserve to take his case to the American people with all our support. This primary has been nasty, but so was the last one and likely the next one will be too. None of the leading candidates are "clean" but all of them have behaved, overall, in a respectable manner.

[demo dutch]

51. My "independent" husband would never vote for Obama, but would vote for Edwards

[LostinVA]

95. My Republican father would vote for Edwards or Clinton

And, he would have voted for Biden in a heartbeat. Never Obama, and no, it's not a racial thing by any means.

[Laurab]

32. Awwww - thanks for sharing.

I, for one, think you are totally wrong, and apparently a few others do, too. I studied the candidates carefully - had nothing to do with hype, and you insult his supporters by suggesting that.

[Alizaryn]

33. " do not like the campaign he has run."

HE has run?

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. Oh, come on! Barack Obama is a brilliant man and will do our party proud should he continue to win!

Hillary made assertions that Obama is inexperienced, so WTF is the difference? He's not suppose to fight back? Give me a break. Just be happy for our party that the people of Iowa voted for a great man who would be a great president if given the chance. ANY of our candidates are better than ANY of their candidates.

[KAZ]

35. I was hoping for Edwards, yet I wouldn't post the shit you do.

I congratulate Obama, and the enlightened citizens of Iowa. You? You get a raspberry.

[Alexander]

36. Go vote Republican. You seem to want to VERY badly.

[shanti]

37. i didn't like the "anti-boomer" message

that he presented. after all, there are more of us than everyone else. that said, i REALLY would like a bm to win, for personal reasons, but just don't think that it's obama's time yet.

my vote will be for edwards.

[OzarkDem]

65. No kidding, it will sink him

if he keeps it up. Keep it up, Obama!

[amandabeech]

68. His anti-boomer comments rub me the wrong way.

He's dividing us on generational grounds, and I think that is just as bad as race, ethnicity or gender.

This country is in a terrible spot. We are in a stupid war in the Middle East, and there are incredibly serious problems with our economy. The next president will have his or her hands full just cleaning up after the current occupant. We cannot ignore any group if we are to pull out of this mess to make secure retirements for the oldest, decent jobs for all for those of working age, and education and a bright future for younger folks.

Courting only the young doesn't do this. I wish that he would ask for the vote of all.

[Common Sense Party]

82. I missed his "anti-boomer" message. Link, please? nt

[Dr. Strange]

38. When life hands you grapes...

make some whine.

[Richard Steele]

39. Wow. Real classy.

nm

[alarimer]

40. I really hope he is NOT the nominee

I dislike him and Clinton so much. Not that my vote in Texas counts at all for President. So I am in a mood to play spoiler in the primary and write in someone off the wall or someone who has dropped out. Or, mostly likely skip it altogether.

And this might be the first Presidential election I sit out, since my vote doesn't matter here. Texas, after all, will vote for whichever scary Republican is nominated.

[Ikonoklast]

41. HillBots are gracious in defeat

Not.



I'm taking my Inevitability and going home.

[EFerrari]

42. "Her voice was ever soft and low, an excellent thing in a woman".

:rofl:

[Neshanic]

44. I could not care less about his campaign. He will be eaten alive by the Republicks.

[demo dutch]

48. Yep, Get prepared to lose for sure in Nov.

[LSK]

45. lame

Welcome to politics newbie.

:eyes:

[demo dutch]

46. I totally agree, with Obama we'll lose.. guaranteed, Edwards might be

seen as a safer choice for the rest of the country

[ellisonz]

47. Sour grapes.

[rAVES]

49. Thems grapes are sour.. ooooh yea.. I am frigging delighted for Obama.

[L.A.dweller]

53. Wall Street has to knock out the competition somehow baby

We all bend over and take it

http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/16/obama-donations-show-strong-wall-st-support/

Edwards gives me hope

[amandabeech]

69. Great article. Post it often. n/t

[dailykoff]

55. Look on the bright side:

Hill has more time to devote to her nutcrackers.

[davsand]

56. You gonna hold your breath until you turn blue?

That would be just about as productive and a whole lot more entertaining to watch.


Even IF you hate every Dem candidate that had over 10%, you might still want to celebrate the huge turnout for Dems in Iowa. Might help to keep sight of the fact that "our" party was OUT and active tonight.



Laura

[alcibiades_mystery]

57. There's a big fucking surprise

:rofl:

[rucky]

59. I was wondering where y'all went. n/t

[OzarkDem]

60. He's a typical Vichy Dem

who is always willing to attack fellow Dems, but cuddle up to the GOP. Like most DLC'ers he harbors a secret desire to be a Republican, but knows he could never get elected if he ran as one. Those conflicted feelings make attacking fellow Dems very easy for him.

[krabigirl]

66. I agree..I hate how he attacks other Dems.

[readmoreoften]

76. Of course the Republicans like him. He's nastier to us then he is to them. He's a scold.

He's the guy who doesn't march on the picket line but tries to start his own union "working together with the management."

[LostinVA]

98. OMFG -- my Dad said almost that exact thing about him!!!

Though he's a Repub, he's also an old union guy (very strange), and that's one of the things he said about Senator Obama: he seems like the guy who wanted both management and union members to like him.

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

61. Go to bed, Bill.

You have to get up early and have a big rest of the week lined up with Hill.

[krabigirl]

62. I also don't want to congratulate him, even though I'm happy for his supporters.

I don't think he's as progressive as he claims to be. And yeah, it seems like hype, and I hate all of the unity speeches. I don't want to unite with Republicans!!

[Catherine Vincent]

63. You should still congratulate him, though.

Hillary did.

[Dr Fate]

70. I'm glad he won-but I also would have been glad if Edwards won.

Look on the bright side- the race is still competitive and the DLC/Joe Lieberman wing of the party may just have to listen to someone besides "moderates","swing voters" and Lieberman Republicans.


I'm happy that Hillary is no longer "inevitable"- maybe it will force the DLCers to change their severely misguided "ignore the looney lefties(AKA Active Democrats)" strategy.

[Freddie Stubbs]

71. Apperently a lot of Iowa Democrats did like the campaign he ran

[DivorcingNeo]

72. Haters gonna hate...

and playa's gonna play!

Too fuckin bad!

(What's that I hear?)

The only one running a truly negative campaign has a name that starts with H and ends with N.

[Nedsdag]

73. Other DUers

Someone please tell journalist3072 (who has me on ignore) to either give it up, work harder for your candidate, or STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!

[earth mom]

77. I won't congratulate Obama either because Obama BOUGHT his first place finish.

Paid for by Oprah and all the corporations that support him.

BTW-I was reading on another thread that Elizabeth Edwards said that Johns campaign was OUTSPENT 6 to 1!!! :argh:

[Tactical Progressive]

78. Obama thrills his Democrat-hating followers

by constantly demeaning and smearing Democrats himself. Why wouldn't they love him.

Actual Democrats, who care about real politics and not just vague talk about change, don't want to follow some platitudinous Dem-smearer just because he's on the left. There are better choices, like Hillary and Edwards.

[EFerrari]

80. Obama is on the left?!

lol

And, the Clinton campaign didn't do their best to smear him?

lol

I love these threads.

[Tactical Progressive]

84. Obama smears everyone on the left

It's how he operates. That's why Dem-Hating-Leftists support him so much, he is always getting snide on Democrats and the Democratic party.

And that's why Democrats, in contrast, are starting to wonder if someone who is so contemptuous of Democrats, both individually and collectively, and who wants to 'work with Republicans to get things done' is really who we want representing us?

Especially since once Democrats regain power in Washington in 2009, we finally don't have to compromise with Publicans so much. Who wants to play nice after the past 12 years of their thuggish, nasty behavior? Besides Obama? I can't think of any other Dem.

I think Publicans have had over a decade to be civil and compromise. It's not our turn to bend to Publicans like Obama wants. It's our turn to push back hard.

For that reason alone, and there are many more, the last person many of us want in the White House is Obama.

[EFerrari]

116. I hear he eats kittens, too.

All the front runners are still speaking in terms the Republicans have framed. Edwards much less so but you can't say more than that and be accurate.

[LooseWilly]

86. hehe

Ok, so the left is bad now??... Maybe that's why Obama's picking up more votes than Clinton who likes to ignore us...

hehe

[tammywammy]

79. From the person that said this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2565924&mesg_id=2566159

"As I previously stated, if Obama is the nominee, I will vote for the GOP candidate."

[NorthernSpy]

90. BUSTED: "journalist3072" is going to vote GOP if Obama gets the nomination!

Thanks for posting that, Tammywammy!


:thumbsup:

[bagimin]

117. Yeah thanks

are people that vote for the g.o.p. allowed here?

[AngryOldDem]

97. So is that the political equivalent of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face?

And I'd REALLY like the OP to answer if he/she would REALLY vote for Mike Huckabee.

[Forkboy]

109. Seeing this baby get TSed almost makes me want to see Obama win.

[tammywammy]

110. I'm just glad I thought to bookmark that

:)

[Forkboy]

111. Well I'm glad you did, though it doesn't say much that I didn't suspect anyways.

;)

[Orsino]

115. Gee. Undercutting Democratic candidates IS a terrible thing.

We should all vote GOP if any one of them forgets it. :rofl:

[malaise]

83. What's the expression again?

Oh whatever!

[Warren DeMontague]

85. Quick! Call the Waaaaahmbulance!

[MadHound]

87. Gee, aren't you just horrible at losing

Clinton and Obama's campaigns were both no-holds-barred affairs from the start. But hey, if this is what keeps you going, whatever. My only question is will you vote for Obama come November?

[Perry Logan]

89. Most of his support at DU seems based on Clinton-hatred. There's not a positive thing about it.

[Blarch]

92. Obama is facing

most of his attacks from the left, not the right.

Interesting.

[undeterred]

93. This is a political campaign, that's what people do.

And you aint seen nothin yet.

[Blarch]

96. and remember.

if he wins the nom. he will have to face the republican smear machine. I suspect you would be crying that he isn't fighting back against them when the time comes.

[dailykoff]

100. Hillary had six years to make a difference and she made none.

Zip, zilch, nada, nothing but rubberstamping Junior's signing statements and sitting back and watching America implode.

Screw that.

[IronLionZion]

101. I don't know much about Obama, but I don't like his supporters

they and Clinton's have been very mean-spirited and negative, which obviously works for them but is not what I'm interested in.

I instead congratulate the Democratic party for the record showing and a bright future ahead of us. WOOT, Dems rock!

Well, I do have one good thing to say about Barack. It feels so damn good to have a minority win the Iowa caucus. This gives me hope for the future of this country.

[Ganja Ninja]

102. How dare you besmirch Saint Barak!

But I tend to agree with you. I think a lot of people have jumped on this bandwagon and it ain't what it's made out to be. I worry Obama is going to turn out to be Nancy Pelosi in a man-suit if he gets elected.

[Hutzpa]

103. No doubt, why would anyone

want to vote for a black guy with a name like 'Hussein' that I wonder.

[ProfessorGAC]

104. Hey, Here's An Idea

Why not let the people who support him decide for themselves why they support him? I don't think they need to prove to you that they're not "caught up in the hype".

Talk about being a sore loser.
The Professor

[geardaddy]

108. I'll support whoever wins the nomination

period.

[madisongrace]

113. I think lots of people in Iowa like OPRAH. n/t

[mistertrickster]

114. The DU admins should really think about allowing an "UN recommend" vote.

With an "UN recommend" button, baseless campaign shill posts like this one wouldn't clutter the "greatest thread."

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

118. Motion seconded.