Sibel 'Names Names' (in pictures!)

[leveymg]

Over at Sibel's website, she has published "Sibel Edmonds’ State Secrets Privilege Gallery" - twenty one photos of people. See, http://www.justacitizen.com/images/Gallery%20Draft2%20for%20Web.htm; also, see, accompanying article, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2609572

Sibel doesn't say anything about the photos - or the people in the photos - but we can reasonably presume that they are the 21 guilty people in her case.

Sibel has broken the photos into three different groups.

The first group contains current and former Pentagon and State Department officials.




Richard Perle


Douglas Feith


Eric Edelman


Marc Grossman


Brent Scowcroft



Larry Franklin




The second group is current and former congressmen:



Dennis Hastert - Ex-House Speaker (R-Il)


Roy Blount - ( R, Mo)


Dan Burton - (R - IN)


Tom Lantos - (D- CA)


?


Bob Livingston - ex-Speaker of the House (R-LA)



Stephen Solarz (D-Ny)





The 3rd group includes people who all appear to work at think tanks - primarily WINEP, The Washington Institute for Near East Policy



Graham E. Fuller - RAND


David Makovsky - WINEP



Alan Makovsky - WINEP



?


?



Yusuf Turani (President-in-exile, Turkistan)


Professor Sabri Sayari (Georgetown, WINEP)



Mehmet Eymur (Former Turkish Spy Chief MIT)




As you can see, there are a couple of 'Question Marks' instead of photos. I'm not sure why that is the case.


I'll have some more later, obviously. - Lukery
_________________________________
Crossposted: http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/01/sibel-names-names-in-pictures.html
(posted here with the permission of lukery)

[Sydnie]

1. Go Sibel Go

Take each one of them down. Enough is enough!

[Bitwit1234]

45. Remember when somehow Hassert was accused of accepting

a suitcase full of money while speaker. $500,000 I heard. It was just a blip and nothing was made of it. This just goes to show how corrupt the news media is. There is not one newsperson who has the guts to print, or report anything about the republicans. But the can sure flame and lie about the Democrats. Anything and everything.

[AntiFascist]

49. heroin money, no less n/t

[Skidmore]

51. From the Turks, right?

[fascisthunter]

67. Yes I Remember Reading about It, then whooosh

I didn't hear of it again.

[HughMoran]

2. K&R - Sibel is the key to the puzzle

She needs all the support she can get.

[lukery]

3. thnx mark n/t

[flyarm]

4. Bless Sibel..the bravest woman in this country!!..she is my hero!! eom

[The Backlash Cometh]

14. And mine. If she can stick her neck out to do the right thing, so can we.

[StateSecrets]

5. K&R

Thank You:-)

[DemReadingDU]

23. Thank you for being so brave!

:)

sending good vibes

[Imagevision]

6. If Hillary had a brain? she would would tell Sibel's story to who eve would listen and get the media

to research exactly what went down with the Edmonds gag order put in place - not because of national security but the folks who are in charge of knowing how long that oversight has been not working and been put on the back burner. This very important has been covered up for too long.

[bellasgrams]

7. I frankly don't care who does who, it's no ones business but

the spouse.

[rosesaylavee]

8. Huh?

This is not a sex scandal. Do you really not know who Sibel is? More info here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=344

[trumad]

16. LOL---too funny.

[rosesaylavee]

74. I know

That sexy Sibel telling tales AGAIN. It would be almost preferable to the truth of the matter, wouldn't it? Except that Hastert is on that list. Euwww.

[rodeodance]

19. kick

[kysrsoze]

28. kick II

[Bitwit1234]

46. I know one candidate who won't.

[Swamp Rat]

9. k&r

[bobthedrummer]

10. k&r

[southerncrone]

11. Treason is just too nice a word for what this slime has done.

[DrDebug]

12. Recommended.

Interesting list. It starts with the Prince of Darkness and ends with Mr. Contract Killer

CovertAction Quarterly 61
Turkey Trapped in a Web of Covert Killers
by Ertugrul Kurkcu

ISTANBUL, TURKEY. Human rights activists and opposition groups have argued for decades that an uninterrupted trail of mysterious killings and extrajudicial executions leads to the highest levels of the Turkish state. An extraordinary accident in November 1996 provided missing links in that chain of evidence. It also gave further proof of the continued existence of a Turkish incarnation of Gladio the US-orchestrated Stay Behind operation that placed covert groups around Europe at the end of World War II.

The toll of death and terror from Turkey's bitter internal strife is horrific. In the last three decades, at least 28,000 people have died. The 5,000 casualties in the 1970s served as a major pretext for the 1980 military takeover when the Turkish armed forces overthrew Suleyman Demirel's conservative minority government. Since the 1984 start of the war between the Kurdish guerrilla PKK (Partiya Karkeran Kurdistan-Kurdistan Workers Party) and the Turkish army, the country's human losses including those of the government security forces, Kurdish guerrillas, and civilians have totaled around 23,000, officials say.

(...)

According to Hanefi Avci, deputy intelligence department chief of Turkish Security, "One gang was headed by ex- Interior Minister Mehmet Agar and seconded by Special Police Teams boss Ibrahim Sahin and counterinsurgency specialist former army officer Korkut Eken, with whom Catli was directly linked; and another was headed by Mehmet Eymur, chair of the Turkish Intelligence Organization's (MIT) counterterrorism department." Shortly after his resignation, Mehmet Agar testified to that same commission.

He confirmed that his "operations" were in line with his National Security Council-endorsed schemes of"bringing the war to the PKK."

THE "GANG" PATROLS THE HEROIN HIGHWAY
As the counterinsurgency campaign escalated, greed became a driving and ultimately divisive force. According to intelligence official Avci, "after 1994-95 when the ruthless army crackdown on the PKK forced the guerrillas to retreat, these (government-linked) units degenerated into corrupt gangs which were mainly concerned with grabbing the enormous revenues from drug trafficking and money laundering that had previously been controlled by organized criminals of Kurdish origin."

(...)

http://mediafilter.org/CAQ/caq61/CAQ61turkey.html

Those two Makovskies are not related, right? Alan also seems to have worked for Center for Strategic and International Studies. There is a Georgetown Crowd theme to the names as well, the group who laid the foundations of Operation Mockingbird.

[AntiFascist]

13. Isn't Georgetown where...

crime meets the CIA?

:kick:

[DrDebug]

78. Georgetown and Yale are important locations for the rogue input into CIA

Yale is where the Skull & Bones fit in and Georgetown is where the Jesuits fit in.

Is it at Georgetown where Zbigniew Brzezinski, Prince Turki Al-Faisal, Frank Wisner (both Sr. and Jr.) and many more elusive names have "studied."

It was at Georgetown where Allen W. Dulles, Frank Wisner, Cord Meyer met up with Philip Graham of The Washington Post to set up their propaganda arm. New York Times, Newsweek, CBS followed soon according to Deborah Davis (Katharine the Great) and in 1953 the OPC had a major influence over 25 major newspapers and wire agencies. One of the most important journalists under Wisner's control was Joseph Alsop, whose articles appeared in over 300 different newspapers. According to Alex Constantine (Mockingbird: The Subversion Of The Free Press By The CIA), in the 1950s, "some 3,000 salaried and contract CIA employees were eventually engaged in propaganda efforts".

It is also at Georgetown where the "think-tank" CSIS is located and CSIS links up with a relatively unknown international (clandestine) intelligence agency called Le Cercle. I consider Le Cercle as at the absolute top of the Octopus and as the linking chain between the various intelligence agencies and think tanks.

Besides the Reagan and Nixon administrations, Le Cercle members were involved with institutions as the Jamestown Foundation, the Heritage Foundation, the United States Global Strategy Council, the Committee on Present Danger, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), the Committee on Present Danger, the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, Americares, and the Israeli-US Jonathan Institute. All these groups were interwoven with the World Anti-Communist League and religious organizations as the Knights of Malta and the Moonies.

http://www.pehi.eu/organisations/Le_Cercle.htm

[AntiFascist]

79. I've also heard about a former president...

who may have been recruited into Project Chaos in Georgetown by his mafioso consiglieri uncle. I wonder if CHAOS ever really got shut down.

[northzax]

86. so the Jesuits and the WASPS are in collusion!

that explains a ton! Wait, how does Fletcher fit into this? Is it because Tufts' mascot is an elephant?

And, for the record, if I knew about such high level treason in my government, I certainly wouldn't wait six years to tell people, even in the face of a gag order. Sorry, but that's pretty weak.

[DrDebug]

90. It's all pretty weak, ain't it.

Indeed Sibel is just starting to fill in the blanks. One of the things is of course the multi-billion drug angle. So what you need is a major kingpin and guess what: Mehmet Eymur fits that criteria.

For those who do not know the global drug trade. The global drug trade consists of two parts: cocaine and heroin. Cocaine is grown in South America and heroin nowadays is 92% Afghanistan. The cocaine is moved rom South America to the United States. Heroin travels to Europe and the Atlantic Ocean is the big swap where containerships move heroin one way and oocaine the other way. The logistics and change of failure are pretty big unless the intelligence agencies and governments know about it and are willfully looking the other way. See: Iran-Contra, 5.5 tons in Mexico, 4 tons in Mexico etc.

Let's focus on the heroin trade which is slightly smaller as far as the overall amount goes, however it is a drug which is far more devastating. A person hooked on heroin is lost. Afghanistan has been assigned to be produce the opium. The drug lords are reaping several billion annually for their part, however that's nickle and dime stuff. The real fortunes are made processing opium into heroin and that is done in Turkey and there are many rumors that Iraq is used nowadays as well since it is conveniently hidden due to the fog of war.

There are many different smuggling routes, however they all come together in Turkey and from Turkey it goes onto Europe via many routes and about half takes part in the big Atlantic swap. The government of the UK and Germany are on record that at least 75% of all heroin is in Turkish hands. That means that even though Afghanistan is reaping several billion, it is Turkey which is making 20-40 billion annually from the heroin trade.

There are four main gangs:
1. The Russians (Far West Ltd allied with Halliburton)
2. The Kurds.
3. Mehmet Agar group
4. Mehmet Eymur group

And guess what Sibel names the last one and if there is a link between Mehmet Eymur and Richard Perle then why would that link exist? Because he is one of the major kingpins of the planet. Just like former Operation 40 member Barry Seal. Is it to provide the finance for the illegal operations?

Keep ridiculing, because you only ridicule yourself. Be ignorant, play ignorant. There is nothing to see here.

Edit: It has nothing to do with the war in Afghanistan either, right? That was about peace, democracy and freedom and not about the eradication of opium by the Taliban. Well the peace part seems to have failed and so did the democracy part and so did the freedom. Poppy is at an alltime high though and one of the major drug dealers happens to be the brother of the newly elected President.

[AntiFascist]

93. Excellent post Dr. Debug...

everyone should also look at this illuminating thread, in particular dicksteele's very important post!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1992516&mesg_id=1992516

[malaise]

15. K & R

Sibel :yourock:

[Twist_U_Up]

17. Nothing to see here please step back into line and carry on.

Im sure msm will jump all over this.
But still dont worry we can vote these guys out...........oh wait......
They control the elections too.
huh
Nothing that a little mass civil disobedience wouldnt cure.
just sayin

[bonito]

18. K&R n/t

[Eurobabe]

20. Interesting that Lantos is leaving, good timing? Or?

[DemReadingDU]

22. Lantos has cancer too

Dean Statement on Lantos Retirement and Illness

WASHINGTON, Jan. 3 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Democratic National
Committee Chairman Howard Dean today issued the following statement today
on Congressman Tom Lantos's retirement and battle with cancer:

"California's 12th District and indeed all Americans are losing a great
public servant with the retirement of Congressman Tom Lantos. As Chairman
of the House Foreign Affairs Committee and through his many years of public
service, Congressman Lantos has shown strength, leadership, and resolve. No
stranger to daunting challenges, I know that he will bring the same spirit
of courage and perseverance that has been a hallmark of his life to his
battle with cancer. On behalf of the Democratic Party, our thoughts and
prayers are with Congressman Lantos and his family during this difficult
time."

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-03-2008/0004730078&EDATE=

[BeHereNow]

70. They don't have cancer, they ARE the cancer on this country and our constitution.

We need to cut them out, ASAP.
BHN

[ChiciB1]

72. I Heard About His Cancer This Past Week-End... But I MUST Say

that seeing his picture included here IS a surprise. I had thought he was one of the good ones, but haven't been watching "him" much lately!

Boy, would I like to be a fly on the wall, AND I really would like to see behind the "question marks!"

I get the impression that some here feel the pictures might be connected to some Democratic candidates. Or am I reading this wrong. I KNOW NOTHING!

[DemReadingDU]

21. Thank you for the names w/ pictures

bookmarked!

[earth mom]

24. K & R!

:kick:

[Rex]

25. First group - war profiteers. Second group

US lawmakers willing to take a bribe. Third group - PNAC enablers, obvious with WINEP shitbrains er experts involved.

[Kurovski]

26. Kick. (nt)

[LSK]

27. isnt Lantos stepping down?

[fascisthunter]

36. due to cancer, I Thought (nt)

[robertpaulsen]

29. Could some of these names fill in the question marks?

Henry Kissinger?

James Baker III?

Sam Brownback?

Richard Armitage?

Dick Cheney?

http://www.counterpunch.org/edmonds11292006.html

[ooglymoogly]

60. ...maybe Joe Blubberman nt

[BeHereNow]

69. LOL!!! You beat me to it!

Baker was the first one that came to mind at the first question mark frame.
Heh- what's that about DU minds?
I'd add Carlucci, Wolfowitz and Bolton to the list too though.
BHN

[robertpaulsen]

83. Wolfowitz definitely. Good call.

And I wouldn't be surprised to find Michael Ledeen's name on a list of these profiteers.

[Pawel K]

30. New CNN Headline: Bipartisan Scandal -nt

[leveymg]

31. Lantos? A token Democrat - one of 21. Not exactly a "bi-partisan" scandal, is it?

Sure, just like the Enron and Abramoff scandals were "bi-partisan".

Lantos, Lieberman, and some others, might as well be Republicans as far as their voting record on foreign policy issues is concerned. While he's done some good things for refugees, and has a sympathetic personal history, his record as a Congressman is at best mixed.

Here's a snapshot of Lantos from Wiki:

1991 Persian Gulf War
See also: Nurse Nayirah
Lantos was a strong supporter of the 1991 Persian Gulf War. During the run-up to the war, the Congressional Human Rights Caucus, of which Lantos was co-chairman, hosted a young Kuwaiti woman identified only as "Nurse Nayirah", who told of horrific abuses by Iraqi soldiers, including the killing of Kuwaiti babies by taking them out of their incubators and leaving them to die on the cold floor of the hospital. These alleged atrocities figured prominently in the rhetoric at the time about Iraqi abuses in Kuwait.

The girl's account was later challenged by independent human rights monitors.<16> "Nurse Nayirah" later turned out to be the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States.<16> Asked about his having allowed the girl to give testimony without identifying herself, and without her story having been corroborated, Lantos replied, "The notion that any of the witnesses brought to the caucus through the Kuwaiti Embassy would not be credible did not cross my mind... I have no basis for assuming that her story is not true, but the point goes beyond that. If one hypothesizes that the woman's story is fictitious from A to Z, that in no way diminishes the avalanche of human rights violations."<16>

Lantos and John R. MacArthur, the foremost critic of the Nayirah issue, each had op-eds features in the New York Times, in which each accused the other of distortion.<17> MacArthur suggested that Lantos may have materially benefited from his having accommodated Nayirah.<18> Nayirah was later revealed to have connections to a lobbying firm in the employ of a Kuwaiti activist group, and her story has since come to be regarded as baseless propaganda.<18>


War in Iraq
By September 2002, Lantos had shown himself to be a supporter of the White House position on the war. On October 4, 2002, Mr. Lantos led a narrow majority of Democrats on the House International Relations Committee to a successful vote in support of the President's path toward war, seeking the approval of the United Nations, but allowing the President to strike out on his own if necessary. The resolution later passed the House and the Senate with a total of 373 members of Congress supporting it. "The train is now on its way," said Mr. Lantos after his — and the President's — victory.<19> In later hearings on the war, Mr. Lantos continued his enthusiastic support. At one point he was confronted by witnesses who questioned the likelihood of enthusiastic Baghdadis welcoming the invading Americans; Mr. Lantos called this a kind of racism, to suggest the Iraqis might be so ungrateful.

Starting in early 2006, Mr. Lantos has distanced himself from the Bush Administration's Iraq policy.

[Pawel K]

32. I hope you know I was being sarcastic

[leveymg]

33. Nothing about CNN surprises me. eom

[StateSecrets]

34. Same here:-)

[StateSecrets]

35. Haven't they all??!

"Starting in early 2006, Mr. Lantos has distanced himself from the Bush Administration's Iraq policy":

So did Fuller, Scowcroft, even Armitage...aha;-)

[leveymg]

42. Exactly.

You don't miss a beat. :bounce: ;-)

[Leopolds Ghost]

57. Aren't they all token democrats, you mean?

Elected into a system impervious to their nominal constituents. Like the church in medieval Europe.

[Leopolds Ghost]

56. So Lantos was the swing vote on the Bush-Gephardt plan to push thru the IWR!!!

[donkeyotay]

37. Sooner or later DeNile is going to have to stop flowing through Washington

How can they keep sitting on this? How can they keep pretending that this doesn't need fixed?

snip for the timesonline article:

Edmonds also claims that a number of senior officials in the Pentagon had helped Israeli and Turkish agents.

"The people provided lists of potential moles from Pentagon-related institutions who had access to databases concerning this information," she said.

"The handlers, who were part of the diplomatic community, would then try to recruit those people to become moles for the network. The lists contained all their 'hooking points', which could be financial or sexual pressure points, their exact job in the Pentagon and what stuff they had access to." <end>.

Nobody wants to investigate. Nobody wants hearing. We're supposed to believe that this will be taken care of on the quiet? That's not even possible, when this was allowed to happened exactly under that secrecy excuse. We need hearings. We need prosecutions. We need to know the truth. If what she alleges is true, then treason has not only taken place, it's been institutionalized.

[wildbilln864]

38. Thank you and K&R! n/t

[wildbilln864]

39. We are in big trouble!- Justin Raimondo

link

:hi:

[AntiFascist]

61. Excellent article....

Corruption and a massive cover-up organized at the highest levels of government – America's nuclear secrets and technology looted on a massive scale, and sold to our enemies via a network set up by our alleged foreign "friends," while the threat of nuclear terrorism hangs over our country like a thick fog of fear, and warmongering politicians scare us into going along with the program – if even half of what Edmonds alleges turns out to be true, then we are all in some very big trouble.



Just remember, if an "Iranian" nuke goes off in the United States,

You Get Drafted!

[wildbilln864]

66. absolutely! n/t

[BeHereNow]

71. Oh my lord...that is terrifying!

Where the HELL is our congress????
BHN

[wildbilln864]

40. must....

kick! :hi:

[Justice Is Comin]

41. Sibel if you have the goods on these people

and you can back it up, publish it where they can't edit you or censor you--the worldwide web. That information will fly so far and fast around the internet that it will be impossible for them to quash you, let alone disappear you.

If you don't think so, look at the whistle blower who ratted on the secret NSA room at AT&T. It's got them scrambling for their lives.

If congress sees that kind of uproar over your disclosures, you'll be testifying before them before you can say, "what time?"

There are almost a quarter million signatures that will be laid before the House Judiciary Committee to start impeachment hearings. Your timing to ruin their day couldn't be more perfect.

You are a potential American hero with information far exceeding any Watergate scandal. And the internet is waiting to to enshrine you. Let's put these bastards where they belong. IN LEAVENWORTH!!!

[santamargarita]

43. I have names, please help!

I found this (not my work):

Richard Perle
Doug Feith
Eric Edelman
Marc Grossman
Larry Franklin
Dennis Hastert
Roy Blunt
Dan Burton
Tom Lantos
Bob Livingston
Stephen Solarz
Graham Fuller
David Makovsky
Alan Markovsky
Enver Yusuf
Sabri Sayari
Mehmet Eymur

Keywords:

Gray Wolves
Shanghai Cooperation Organization
RAND Corporation
PNAC
East Turkmenistan
Iran
Syria
Foreign Policy
King Faisal
ISI

[soulcore]

44. k & r

[Quantess]

73. Thanks for your contribution to the thread.

Welcome to DU!
:hi:

[Prophet 451]

47. Which scandal is she?

It's so difficult to keep track...

[Usrename]

53. All of them.

According to Sibel (she was an FBI translator for some Turkish dialects) the same octopus is behind the drugs, money laundering, nuclear proliferation, terrorism, and pretty much any other kind of international criminal enterprise you can think of.

[Maat]

55. Let me guess ...

which octopus would that be?

[KoKo]

59. Possibly the HEAD of the HYDRA!

[Usrename]

64. Here's an old thread on the subject.

Very important, lengthy interview with the former FBI translator published today. Get a load of this - she's pointing her finger at the BCCI/BFEE Octopus, not "al Qaeda." - Minstrel Boy



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1555133&mesg_id=1555133

[Orangepeel]

48. I don't get the point of the pictures

What's with the puzzle? Is it an attempt to circumvent a gag order? Create media interest?

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

52. Doing everything possible without being permanently SHUT UP?

It's a possibility.

Can you imagine,...

,...having evidence of treason,...

,...against the most powerful men on earth,...

,...witnessing continued crimes against country and citizen,...

,...while "GAGGED" by a piece of the legal system controlled by traitors,...

,...and anticipating the traitors' plot to further exploit power,...

,...over the most concentrated center of resources,...

,...the U.S.A. and its multinational corporacrats.

The pictures of these people include no name or specifics violating any possible national security assertions.
:shrug:

[Orangepeel]

54. that's why I asked if this is an attempt to avoid a gag order

although if so, I can't imagine whatever judge that issued the order will be happy. If she's trying to avoid anyone else on that list, it seems like the best thing to do would be to tell everything as widely and as quickly as possible.

I'm not doubting that she has something very important to say, I just don't understand this way of going about it. It certainly isn't protecting her from killers.

[BeHereNow]

62. Ashcroft gagged her when it became apparent that she was not afraid to pursue it.

The pictures are her way of naming names without violating
the gag-
Fucking brilliant if you ask me!

:thumbsup:
BHN

[Joanne98]

50. Tom Lantos not a surprise!

[KoKo]

58. OMG.......and Tom Lantos....who says's he not running because of Cancer who just announced...

She's really going for this...

How can we help her? Hopefully the London Times...will give her some protection and David Lindorff...

Thanks..!

K&R....

[upi402]

63. She's a true patriot.

:patriot:

[fascisthunter]

65. That's a Good Question

I would like to know how we could help her. Could you imagine a million strong marching for her or giving her case attention it deserves so that Congress had no other choice but to open the can of worms? We have the power, we just need to go for it.

[alfredo]

68. Thanks for posting. K&R

[BeHereNow]

75. With 95 recommends, why isn't this on the front page???? Mark me 96!

KICKING!
BHN

[ursi]

76. wow. I have been searching all of this DU site for something on Sibel Edmonds

so glad to see that someone has taken the time to keep up on this story. Sibel Edmonds is a hero! And she has never wavered from her story all of these years!

It's sad to know that this new info on Pakistan and nuclear weapons in the west has only run in England at this point and not in America!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3137695.ece?Submitted=true

[Quantess]

77. midnight kick

[DemReadingDU]

80. morning kick

[wildbilln864]

81. kick! n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

82. Kick for Sibel! n/t

[Octafish]

84. Kick to the pants of the BFEE.

Besides, "Error: You've already recommended that thread."

Thanks for another outstanding post, leveymg.

[wildbilln864]

85. And I'll second that! n/t

[Octafish]

87. The Saudi Prince's Secret: Bush, Sr. Sold-Out CIA to Build Pakistan A-Bomb

Another masterpiece from leveymg:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1281780

[seemslikeadream]

88. By shear chance things just happen repeatedly and coincidentally to benefit their interests

IMPEACH CHENEY




They Thought They Were Free - Read by Dave Emory

The Germans, 1933-45

Excerpt from pages 166-73 of "They Thought They Were Free" First published in 1955

By Milton Mayer

But Then It Was Too Late

"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

....

"Yes," I said.

"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, THE SHOCK DOCTRINE will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’



Michael Parenti - Terrorism, Globalism & Conspiracy

"Coincidence Theory: By shear chance things just happen repeatedly and coincidentally to benefit their interests without any conscious connivance by them, which is most uncanny. There is also: Stupidity Theory, Innocence Theory, Momentary Aberration Theory, Incompetence Theory, Unintended Consequences Theory and Innocent Cultural Proclivities Theory."

- Michael Parenti

[wildbilln864]

89. disregard...

:hi:

[DemReadingDU]

91. morning kick

[wildbilln864]

92. and an afternoon kick. n/t