My fellow DUers. Let us not hope.

[leftofthedial]

Seriously. There is ZERO hope of real change happening in November.

A few small things might get a little better, but the country and the world will still be getting the same crooked deal we've been getting in stronger and stronger measure since at least 1963 if not longer.

The best possible case is that one of the leading "democrats" will "win" and fiddle around the edges--take the angry edge off the masses before we truly revolt. But this time around, after the next "president" allows the current generation of oligarchical criminals to get off scot-free, fewer than ever will own more than ever. The wealthy will take the trillions they've siphoned away from the masses, further entrench themselves as the new aristocracy (same as the old aristocracy), and start plotting their next foray into overt control over our "democracy" in eight or twelve or sixteen years.

Let us not fool ourselves with FALSE hopes. Let us rather set our sights on something achievable--legislated 100% corporate control over our health and our lives, for example. Fewer and fewer restrictions on corporations. A multi-generational military presence in Iraq. A continuing reliance on petroleum. Fewer civil liberties. To dream of any other future is delusional. I implore you my friends! Do not prepare for failure by working to achieve your FALSE hopes or by supporting those candidates who pander to you by promising what they can not possibly deliver.

[Blue-Jay]

1. I may as well just kill myself then.

[fenriswolf]

3. hehe great minds think alike look below

[Blue-Jay]

4. We're DOOMED!

[Elspeth]

79. If we were Freepers, it would be "We're DOMED!"

:)

[leftofthedial]

47. well . . .

[blondeatlast]

69. Pass the Kool-Aid this way, thanks. I'm in as well. nt

[LibraLiz1973]

72. Cyanide anyone??

Perhaps a warm bath, bottle of wine & a razor blade??

God damn that was depressing. With that logic I should not bother caring or voting.

[fenriswolf]

2. if i gave up hope and surrendered to my nightmares

i would kill myself

i like life to much i think i will contineau to hope

but for your benifit those fears are always their in my mind.

[skipos]

5. "Do not prepare for failure by working to achieve your FALSE hopes or by supporting those candidates

" who pander to you by promising what they can not possibly deliver."

I don't think many DUers are voting for Kucinich. I wouldn't sweat it.

[leftofthedial]

15. My heart is glad that you have embraced the TRUE hope, fellow citizen.

[gateley]

6. I'm not sure what your real message is here, but you bring up a good point that

we ARE demanding an awful lot from our next President, and we may be setting ourselves up for disappointment if they aren't able to deliver what they hope to.

I WILL be angry if they don't sincerely TRY to effect the changes they're spouting, though...

[leftofthedial]

10. only two of them are really even advocating change

the others seem to want to make things worse (which I guess could be considered "change"), or just want to wave their hands and hope we don't notice that nothing changed, or want to rearrange deck chairs . . .

I hear the word change, but I read what passes for policy statement and plans, and with a couple of exceptions, I don't SEE any real change.

[treestar]

7. Whaaaat?

What do you mean here? Such negativity never gets anything done.

[KitchenWitch]

8. If there is no hope, then what is the point?

[Blue-Jay]

12. Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude

At least it's an ethos.

[leftofthedial]

16. nice marmot!

Aw fuck it. Let's go bowling.

[Blue-Jay]

18. Did I urinate on your rug?

[leftofthedial]

28. I think Dennis Kucinich sort of ties the room together

[leftofthedial]

13. we must not succumb to our FALSE hopes

by embracing the perpetual power of the oligarchy and their corporations, we can set REALISTIC expectations for the future of our nation.

But let us not be bamboozled by FALSE hopers who sell us empty bottles of magic hope elixir. Remember! The only TRUE hope comes in packets of kool-aid.

[KitchenWitch]

17. Oh, I am way too cynical to believe that if a Democrat gets elected

that all will be hearts and flowers forevermore. The SCOTUS is still against us.

[Kajsa]

74. Hear, hear!

I yelled "Alright !" when I read this post,
THEN saw it was you, Kitchy.

GMTA, or maybe it's our "cult".
:D :pals:

[tandem5]

9. aright hope is out, but we still got change and experience! nt

[leftofthedial]

11. LOL

:rofl:

[saltpoint]

14. As long as they renew the Jerry Springer Show, I should be ok.

[leftofthedial]

48. I, for one, certainly hope that you'll be okay

[LibraLiz1973]

73. You bastard!! I almost choked!!

:rofl:

[Bluerthanblue]

19. not one of us is going to get through life

without hope.

Hope is essential for life- and all this bullshit about "false hope" is as damaging as the lies, paranoia and hatred that this f-d up administration has shoved down our throats for years now-

If we are going to settle for simply what some see as "achievable"- then we have already lost our future.

The future belongs to those who have the courage not only to face disappointment, and still endure- it requires people who have the capacity to believe embrace the realization of our hopes.

Without hope we don't live- we simply exist. And even that is tenuous.

Suicide is the only response left to real hope-less ness.

been there-
don't recommend it

[leftofthedial]

50. so I take it you are not a Hillary Clinton supporter

[rug]

20. You mean Gravel has no chance?

[Kucinich4America]

29. Gravel?

I thought the OP was a LaRouchie for sure ? :shrug:

[leftofthedial]

52. I am, and have been, a Kucinich supporter

what are you doing here? This thread is for Clintobama-ites. Shoo! Shoo!

[nolabels]

21. Are you sure you posted this in the correct forum?

Isn't there some kind of forum a little comprehensive where this post could be more appropriate? Some how it justs seems like all they ever do around here in these threads is just post off these kind of off wall comments about unrelated things anyway. Like this being called the General Discussion forum shouldn't confuse people to what really goes on here.

Come on people, let's get with the program, read the heading in the place your posting :shrug:

[leftofthedial]

26. okay. GENERALLY, we should not hope.

[AndyTiedye]

22. I Gave Up Hope When Gore Didn't Run. I Am Now Operating on FEAR

Fear of President Cain or President Mittens or President Ghoul, or President Fuckabee!

They'd bring change, all right. Not in a good way. Not in a good way at all. They all want more war. Fuckabee would likely try to bring on the Rapture. :nuke::nuke::nuke:

Our candidates are so weak that these madmen actually have a good shot at the White House! What can we do?

[Bicoastal]

32. Our candidates are so weak...

...that they collectively blew the GOP competition out of the water in Iowa.

Whatever.

[proud2BlibKansan]

38. Our candidates are a lot stronger than any of the Repuke candidates

[Der Blaue Engel]

23. How inspirational

Sorry, you're not dragging me down with you.

Furthermore, I BELIEVE. :patriot:

[leftofthedial]

43. for every drop of rain that falls

a flower grows

[hfojvt]

24. Getting back to reality, eh?

I hope your wrong.

Lower your expectations.

[Emit]

25. Hillary?

Is that you? :rofl:

[leftofthedial]

27. FALSE hopes are for suckers.

I'll tell you which hopes are FALSE, BTW, because I'm the one with the experience.

[Emit]

30. LOL!

Be nice, now. Others might not like you and may think you shrill.

[leftofthedial]

31. well, if so,

then I'd call them sexists and a boys' club



oh wait. I'm a boy.

[gaspee]

33. surprising

that so many people read this as a serious post and not a poorly executed satire piece against Clinton.

And, let's sing, 447th verse, same as the first! I am not voting for Clinton. Before you can sneer at me dismissively.

[leftofthedial]

34. poorly executed?

you wound me

I can not continue

I must withdraw from the field

I know not if I can return . . .

[LanternWaste]

35. I rarely pay attention to the man who demands my hope

Although I rarely pay attention to the man who demands my hope, I pay even less attention to those who demand I do not hope.

One man's false hope is another man's realistic goal. Unless you're a prophet, or have a few Nobel prizes under your belt, you're not really in a position to tell me which of my hopes are valid, realistic, or attainable.

I find 'false hope' to be much less indictable than no hope. Different strokes, I guess...

[leftofthedial]

40. I just rarely pay attention

[LanternWaste]

46. Clever, but irrelevant....

I'm afraid that isn't very relevant. Clever by your own definition, I'm sure, but still just as irrelevant.

[leftofthedial]

53. you say "irrelevant"

like that's a bad thing...

:shrug:

[LanternWaste]

57. You infer how I say it as a bad thing....

You infer how I say it as a bad thing. I simply made an observation. How you choose to interpret it is on you.

[leftofthedial]

60. Damn! Another thing on me.

Where will I put it?

Don't answer that.

[LanternWaste]

64. Going for a good post count day

Going for a good post count day. O-k. Enjoy... don't lose hope.

[EstimatedProphet]

36. Yup. Show's over. Nothing we can do. No point in trying.

Bullshit.

[leftofthedial]

41. no! the show is just beginning!

It's all a show, don't you see?

[Desertrose]

45. CanI trade my tickets for a different show?

This one is getting waaay old.

:evilgrin:

[EstimatedProphet]

51. No. Explain it to me.

[leftofthedial]

56. we have show campaigns

leading up to show elections

followed by show "government"

and for those who can't handle the show, we have plenty of show shows on TV

the only thing real is that the rich get richer

sit back! enjoy the show!

[EstimatedProphet]

61. So that means there's no point in trying?

Not buying it.

[leftofthedial]

62. trying what?

trying what?

[LanternWaste]

65. nothing can be fixed?

I imagine the more ineffectual a person is, the more they will proclaim that nothing can be fixed.

[leftofthedial]

67. I don't believe things CAN'T be fixed

but I'm dead nuts certain that they WON'T be fixed by whatever happens in November.

big difference.

[EstimatedProphet]

71. OK, that's different

[Orangepeel]

37. well, a Dem could win and make it a little better or a repub could win and make it a lot worse

I'll take the former, thanks.

[leftofthedial]

39. just as long as you don't give in

to your FALSE hopes

[Marrah_G]

42. OMG...The END IS COMING.....why bother voting...let's commit mass suicide on super Tuesday instead !

THAT'LL SHOW 'EM!!!!!!


:sarcasm:

Thank you for your concern.

[leftofthedial]

44. why don't you just hold your breath until you turn blue instead?

[Marrah_G]

49. Okay...good plan!!!

[leftofthedial]

58. ...

:thumbsup:




I HOPE it all turns out okay.

[PATRICK]

54. Wisdom contradicted by despair

It is good not to hold delusions. Be prepared for those who have them to turn completely the other way. Sound advice in any circumstance. Nothing is achieved by giving up. Defeatism is the most self-fulfilling
philosophy, which is a sub-article of Catch-22.

Take a real look at the Dems. you can see some of that. Now take a look at the GOP and you see ALL of the that multiplied to your personal early grave. Having a real chance means dealing with an imperfect world. Insisting all is over without a fantasy means being at peace with irresponsibility and doom denied until it happens. It seems like it shouldn't work that way, that the good road is not that good all the time and the bad road is more than that bad- eventually.

Step one: citizen awareness that the Dem decline was a fraud that the compromises were bad ideas conditioned by defeat and conspiracy. New Dems reacting to real crises becoming a progressive caucus(meet the stifled Black caucus at the back of the bus). Dean open the door to grass roots party power and the right ideas. The ultimate centrist candidate gets denied by the party. The old guard starts to fade and reality forces reluctant change, reluctant contradictions to bi-partisan corporatist nicety. Uphill all the way.

It is the only way to actually climb a hill but someone keeps waiting for a helicopter.

[AlCzervik]

55. Thanks Debbie Downer.

[leftofthedial]

59. Debbie Downer Does DU

I want to thank all the little people

[asthmaticeog]

63. ...

[blues90]

66. I try to face the reality

I can't buy that once a Dem wins which ever one it may be will bring on some sudden change and instill some sort of hope . Hope is something you have to find within yourself , it's not something anyone can give to you .

I am not holding my breath at this point that a Dem will even win .

It strikes me odd and I am a bit suspicious that Obama won in Iowa a 95 % white area , what, suddenly all the racism vanished , something about this does not sit well with me . Everyone is some joyfull and elated on some sort of high .

I won't go into detail but something stinks here . For some reason , perhaps because I have been around quite a while things just don;t change in an instant .

People have said this country will never vote in a black president and this is a valid point and I am not prejudice just suspicious . It has nothing to do with Obama personally .

I have a feeling this is a game being played and we know the sides have been talken and politics is dirty games .

I have to say I don't trust things that fly in the face of many years of what I have seen whne it comes to games .

Who would have thought after 2000 and then again in 2004 and again in 2006 we would in 7 years reach the point we are at now but it happened , so I don't trust anything and hope , well I can have my own personal hope but it is not in politics .

[Mimosa]

68. ROTFLMAO @ Debbie Downer

Yes, I've been getting tired of hearing about my "False Hope" as well.

BTW, I've a friend who is co-admin at a fun multi-interest discussion board. She is getting bashed for being an Obama supporter. She invited me to the forum to look at a cute little Obama thread where she posted her "Obama album." It was cute. I don't want to lift her pics, but it's at this link:

http://p103.ezboard.com/fvincentandmorticiasspeakeasy14846frm14

[superkia]

70. Looks like you have done your research and educated yourself...

on what has been taking place, good job by you. Just think of how many people that have never heard of the Bilderberg group, its been meeting annually since the 1950's. A secretive group of elites in politics, business and media having their own little meetings since the 50's to discuss the direction of the world and yet barely anyone has even heard of it. Scary shit.

[Kajsa]

75. Three of the most soul destroying words in the

English language are-

"What's the use?"

[leftofthedial]

77. yep. I mean

once you say, "what's the use," then what's the point?

[Kajsa]

78. Absolutely!

You hit the nail on the head.

:hi:

[GreenPartyVoter]

76. I hear ya :^(