Help me debunk idiotic RW relative's email about Obama's church

[treestar]

One of my stupid RW relatives sent me this: (along with a whole slew of people she sends her junk to)

Thought you might be interested in this.

Obama mentioned his church during his appearance with Oprah. It's the Trinity Church of Christ. Please go to this church's website and read what is written there. It is very alarming. Barack Obama is a member of this church and is running for President of the U.S.

If you look at the first page of their website, you will learn that this congregation has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa.

Notice too, what color you will need to be if you should want to join Obama's church... B-L-A-C-K!!! This guy desires to rule over America while his loyalty is totally vested in a Black Africa!

Continues rambling on in racist vein and gives this link.

www.tucc.org/about.htm

Looking quickly at the link, it does not bear out the email's dire :sarcasm: threats.


I believe it likely Obama is not even a member of this particular Church, but maybe it has the same name as the one he belongs to. The racists are at it already. I want to fire off a reply to this idiot and her fellow morans.

[IndianaJones]

1. reply to your relative and tell him/her "you are a racist". nt.

[bryant69]

2. That's a great suggestion

Anybody who doesn't love Obama must be a racist.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[treestar]

9. IA, not a good suggestion. How to make relative look idiotic while

getting the other people on the list to see how idiotic relative is?

For one, he belongs to the U.C.C., not the "Trinity Church."

[bryant69]

16. I was being sarcastic n/t

[treestar]

31. I know, I was agreeing

I want to respond with just information rather than just calling them racists. That's not going to do any good.

[hobbit709]

3. Snopes.com is your friend

And send the refutation with a "reply all"

[treestar]

5. Googling shows he belongs to the "United Church of Christ"

He doesn't even belong to the Trinity Church.

[rox63]

30. UCC web site here

http://www.ucc.org/

[dbackjon]

This IS his church

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

[formerrepuke]

4. The UCC is the church I attend; some congregations are predominantly

black, some are predominatly white. The UCC is pretty diverse, and not just ethnically. I believe Sen. Obama is indeed a UCC member.

[treestar]

28. I'll make that point too.

Thanks, it is a good one.

[Eurobabe]

6. Do a search on DU, we've debunked this email 20X already

and then put your racist RW relatives on a porn spam list.

[treestar]

17. I haven't

So I'm grateful for the help.

[orleans]

40. haha! (porn spam list!) n/t

[SteppingRazor]

7. Why is it a big deal that an African-American church has a commitment to Africa?

Is it a big deal that a Polish-American club has a commitment to Poland?


And besides that, does it necessarily follow that a churchgoer believes every church doctrine? Is there no such thing as a pro-choice Catholic?



Have your right-wing relative answer those questions.

[treestar]

12. Thanks, that's good stuff

These people are Catholics and they have plenty of causes of their own.

[butterfly77]

24. That will be one of his problems,,,

any time he does something specific that effects the black community the media will try to portray him as only a president for blacks.

[treestar]

37. There must be a way to spin it that equality for all is desirable

for all of us.

There are plenty of blue-collar or poor white people who need to get a clue that they shouldn't be looking at things as a zero sum game. Improving things for one group improves things for us all.

That old divide and conquer technique always works with morans - how to get through to them that it is false? And when they claim to be Christian? That's what floors me.

Here is this Idiot Relative, a Catholic person descended from poor Irish people, not getting that.

[skipos]

8. I am surprised they mentioned his church. I doesn't help the "Hussein Osama is a Muslim!" email

these people are sending around. Go to snopes.com whenever you get this crap.

[treestar]

15. It's there

Great, I think I'll just link it.

[Blue Diadem]

10. Here's snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/church.asp

Talking points from tucc:
http://www.tucc.org/talking_points.htm

[treestar]

20. Thanks!

[ingac70]

11. Ask him why he votes for people...

Who rule over the US while their loyalty is totally vested in Israel.

[treestar]

22. True! And that could be true of many churches

And the "rule over the US" just shows their totalitarian mindset. Is that what they think the President is?

[Didereaux]

13. Okay answer back as an Obama supporter on DU would...

He you racist old hag, get a fucking life! Get over it, Obama kicked your girls ASS! You some kind of godless commie? Blacks have a rigght to their own church too! You hate Obama because he is cute and he's really really handsome and Oprah supports him. Shut the FUCK UP YOU FREEPER WITCH!

I guess thats a fair x-section!

whoa dude are you being sarcastic? you should use a sarcasism icon the! People whos cerebellum exceeds the size of their brainstem don''t need icons.

[eileen_d]

18. How helpful.

:eyes:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. Actually, I'd think anybody smearing Obama with this nonsense...

would be a racist.

Wouldn't you?

[treestar]

33. Yeah, probably

The very fact they assume it is somehow wrong for a church to back the causes in Africa or those of African Americans disqualifies one for the Presidency is in essence saying no blacks are qualified.

I think most of the people who got this email likely know it's bull, I just want to make a statement to Idiot Relative and show her that I replied to all her contacts!

[MnFats]

14. adoration, salvation, reconciliation....no doubt a commie/terrorist plot!

reconciliation, indeed! we'll have none of that around here!

[Kucinich4America]

It is a sad fact that a lot of churches remain segregated

Though I doubt it's any conscious effort to remain as such (at least among those who actually READ the words of Jesus Christ) And it certainly isn't by Barack Obama's design that a church in Chicago, which probably existed long before he joined, has an African-American congregation.

Who knows? Maybe the music at the white churches just bores the shit out of them? It sure does for me.

[treestar]

26. I want to make the point to relative also that she is Catholic

and there are only a few Black Catholics, and there's a similar reason. When you are born into an Irish family, you end up Catholic a lot of the time.

[HughMoran]

19. not this shit again!

this was posted twice a couple days ago by the same person (not you)

[treestar]

25. Well, let's educate as many DUers as possible

Upthread we have two good links, and snopes actually covers it.

[HughMoran]

35. Yep

I already know from the previous fracas, but as long as people are educated so they can deflect RW hate, then all is good.

[slackmaster]

21. Same thing happened to JFK in 1960

:shrug:

[treestar]

27. Thanks, great point! These people are mostly Catholic and that

is a really good thought to point out!

[Vinca]

29. Here's a link to what I think is Obama's church in Chicago.

Better warn your relatives about opening it . . . it looks pretty scary.
http://www.tucc.org/home.htm

:rofl:

[Uncle Sinister]

32. It bothers me to say this, but the basic facts are correct

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17701499/

He DOES belong to Trinity UCC, and it DOES espouse a 12 point Black Value system, icluding one which vows support to any BLack Candidate who endorse their values...check it

It's a bit troubling, and I'd like to hear Barak address it directly, we do believe in freedom of religion, don't we? And I do NOT think this means Obama is in any way racist.

[treestar]

34. Maybe the 12 point system is pretty neutral anyway

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.


Most of the 10 point vision looks consistent with any Christian Church.

And even if his congregation is committed to Africa, that doesn't mean they "hate America."

And many a white church does good work in Africa, too.

[rocktivity]

43. It doesn't say they can't support any white candidate

And it certainly doesn't say that it they MUST support EVERY black candidate!

:headbang:
rocknation

[stillcool]

36. What's wrong with this?

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

[treestar]

38. It is no different that some Catholic Church helping the Irish or the

Italians or the Poles, as they have done throughout history.

I'm making that point too.

[stillcool]

39. It sounds like the sender...

is saying we need even less community than the little we have left...unless of course, that community is the one they belong to.

[treestar]

42. Exactly! And they claim to be a Christian, which is even more

absurd! As such, they should be reaching out to the other church, even if it were only for African-Americans!

[treestar]

41. Tee Hee, Already got one positive vibe back

from one of the people on the list:

Way to go (treestar)!!! I sure hope you sent this to the misinformed guy who sent this out in the first place...


Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.

[Hekate]

44. Calimary wrote a really well-researched response when she got it. Link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3972908

This should help

Hekate

[treestar]

45. Thanks! That is a great post!

Bookmarking that for future reference!

[Liberal In Texas]

46. It's going to be a long and ugly campaign.

Just as I suspected.

We're going to be putting out one fire after another. Doesn't matter who our candidate is. They will be launching lie after lie.

[treestar]

47. Yeah, even when they get beyond the Muslim lie

They are attacking Obama's form of Christianity!

The religiously insane never really stop. Even if they could have an official Christian religion, then they'd have to fight over which of the denominations should take over.