So Hillary cried at the job interview today

[Hutzpa]

WOW!!

Is this what it has come down to, how low can you go, this is what Hillarys' cry says to me

1) She is weak and can allow pressure to get to her, imagine having to deal with difficult dictators, is she gonna be crying at that crucial moment

2) She is really a stone cold woman that would do anything to hold on to power

3) I certainly can't trust her as a nominee for the democrats, the rethugs will run her to the ground
and is that the type of response we should be looking forward to?

and finally

4) She is so inappropriate that she cannot be trusted, and there is also a case for demented personality.

What say ye to this eh!!

:crazy: :crazy:

[blonndee]

1. What a bunch of shite.

And Hillary is my last choice of the Dem contenders.

[LostinVA]

2. What a load of sexist garbage that has NO place on DU

I think you made a wrong turn somewhere.

[Tarc]

3. The anti-Hillary crowd has honed their Swiftvet tactics to a T

[AlCzervik]

4. wheeeeeeee

thread #4,993,001 today.

[napi21]

5. It proves she's a human being with real feelings for the US and what ShrubCo

has done to it! If you can't see that, you are the one with the real problem!

[Hutzpa]

53. She should have said that

instead of going on the attack. Its that simple, but nooo....she seize on the moment, bad judgement on her part.

[Hoof Hearted]

56. What the FUCK are you talking about? Going on the attack? Did you THINK before you typed?

Or was it blind stupidity? My bets are placed on the former.

[Hutzpa]

58. Your anger live me no

choice but to not engage you in a debate, did you read the posts, did you actually follow up on other post to atleast prevent yourself from looking and sounding stupid, I guess not.....I will encourage you to direct your anger at the rethugs, they are the enemy not me.

So I'll let you redeem yourself.

[Hoof Hearted]

60. I don't know what "live me no" means, but

I still want to know how you parlayed an honest and emotional response from a truly passionate candidate into some kind of attack.

[kurth]

6. Bullshit. She did not cry.

[Ewellian]

8. Rovian tactics

If you say it often enough...it becomes the truth.

[Marrah_G]

7. The shit is really getting deep in here

Your post is pathetic.

[Hutzpa]

10. You guys are out in force tonite

still does not change history, its there for all to see. she buckled capesh!!

[Marrah_G]

17. "you guys" Please tell me...which guys would that be?

[Hutzpa]

21. You guys

as in YOU GUYS including YOU, attacking me for stating what could have been a decent debate and turning it into hate filled thrash talking.

[Marrah_G]

23. So "you guys" means people not wanting to see RW bullshit here?

Count me in.

:nopity:

[Name removed]

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[Marrah_G]

37. I didn't call you RW

I called the contents of your post straight out of the RW talking points. I stand by that assertion.

Your infiltrator remark was cute.

[Hutzpa]

42. I'm a cute guy

what do you expect, you must be soo used to the status quo that you cannot even accept that she messed up yet again.

answer this question, if she was so emotional why did she attack JE and BO, why? can you answer that for me please.

[Marrah_G]

44. First of all, I don't think she messed up.

Secondly she probably went after her opponents views because....they are her opponents.

You seem to think I am a Clinton supporter. I'm not, I'm an Edwards supporter. I am also a woman. I am also a Democrat who knows RW talking points when she sees it. What saddens me is that you cannot see it. Perhaps in time you will understand.

[Hutzpa]

55. I very much doubt that

If you are an Edwards supporter, you should be screaming for your guy, because she attacked him, or did you missed that part?

I think siding with Hillary based on sex is double standard, your statement led me to believe that, stand for what you believe in not sympathy based on sex.

[Marrah_G]

66. I absolutely am an Edwards supporter

I am just not rabid-over-reacting sort of supporter. I know how these races go and I am adult enough to be able to support my candidate without throwing tantrums or continually bashing the other Dems in the race. I respect the other candidates as well, after all, I am a Democrat.

I feel sorry for you. I really do.

[I Have A Dream]

9. ...

:thumbsdown: to you!

(And I'm not a HRC supporter.)

[tired_old_fireman]

11. I'm not sure with this one.

First of all, I feel bad for her right now. But, this was not a good moment for her. She got emotional which is fine. But, during her emotional moment she attacked Obama. That made me question if she was being genuine or is she knew this was her chance to have an attack on Obama go viral without her seeming negative.

[Hutzpa]

13. Thank you

if she was that emotional as her shills would wants to believe, why would she attack Obama and Edwards with her next breath, unless it was an
OSCAR MOMENT!!

:woohoo:

[LibraLiz1973]

18. Shit, you were SERIOUS with the OP??

That's totally obnoxious and ridiculous!

[Change has come]

12. I thought you wanted us to LOVE, LOVE, LOVE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2623174

:wtf:

[Hutzpa]

16. I still do

its called TOUGH love, she needs to toughen up.

:evilgrin:

[salin]

27. I guessed before I checked

I said to myself, "self, this poster has to be a guy - cuz too many women recognize these themes per the ways that in many workplaces womens' work are demeaned in a way that the same actions are not used against men." And so I checked and bingo - a dude wrote it. No surprise there. The sad thing is that I am also guessing that you will not understand the gist of what I am saying which is exactly why this subtle form of demeaning/denegrating women in the workplace in a way that one doesn't denegrate men for the same thing, is perpetuated.

And I guess one more thing, that you are relatively young. Mostly guessing that you were of awareness age (teens) during any part of the womens' liberation movement or the push for the ERA amendment or you would have had exposure to the reason why themes behind much of what you are writing is so demeaning to women far behind Hillary Clinton. Many of us have experienced when our work product is demeaned, even when someone else exhibits the same behavior and instead gets praise - or worse takes credit for our work and while we are demeaned they are elevated.

I know I was right on the first guess (male) - but not sure yet about the others two guesses: 1) that you are young (which could explain not predicting how inflamatory this post is) and2) that you can not "get" or "hear" the gist of what I am saying per why some women, even those not supporting Clinton's candidacy would be offended by this.

[salin]

28. now I know that two of my guesses were correct

only the age questions (which could be explanatory) remains.

[Hutzpa]

33. I'm glad you're answering your

own question, did you stop to think and asked yourself, if she was oh so tired, why did she attack JE and BO with her next sentence, why did she went on about how she loved this country..why :shrug:
I would have had sympathy if she had not moved on and attack her opponents, sooo what does that tells you, she was using the moment to strike gold, just that it has backfire on her and now y'all are out to defend her in the name of a woman understanding....give me a break already.


If I had gone to an interview and cried I definitely would not get the job, thats for sure, even the slight show of emotion would be interpreted as weakness.

[salin]

38. got it dude

Forget question three. I don't think even relative youth would work as an excuse.

[Marrah_G]

43. It is incredibly offensive

I cannot believe such sexist drivel is being allowed here. I think we are better then all this.

The truly sad thing is half these guys don't even realize the crap they are spewing is offensive and sexist.

Either an unemotional bitch or a weak woman. The Madonna or the Whore.

[Marie26]

46. It's disheartening

The worst part is that I suspect that this is how most guys are when they don't have to pretend to care about what women think.

[Hutzpa]

49. Another double standard

person,

Either an unemotional bitch or a weak woman. The Madonna or the Whore.

if you ARE a woman, i guess you're probably classless, if a man then thats just plain demented.

Had to retort to spewing anger just because you can get your way....sooo weak as always.

[Marrah_G]

After your posts...calling me classless is just priceless.. and then you add another sexist remark.

"Had to retort to spewing anger just because you can get your way....sooo weak as always."

Yet another pathetically sexist remark.

[blonndee]

51. And this is another clueless, sexist post from you.

Disgusting, and WEAK.

[salin]

52. ding ding ding!

to quote you: "The truly sad thing is half these guys don't even realize the crap they are spewing is offensive and sexist." And the sad thing is that often they do not tend to care. They do not want to know why their words are percieved that way. If they want to engage it is in the stab and thrust flame way to "prove they are right" (kinda reproving the impression in the first place.) They don't want nor feel that they need to grow to understand women's point of view (again reprovin the impression) as theirs is so righteous that even if a slew of women (or even forbid most women) read their words differently it wouldn't matter. You know, the guys view always prevails and is superior to a female's view.

[Double T]

14. Ye are FULL of 'IT!!!

[global1]

15. In Support Of Your Comments Check Out This Post.......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x398027

[Little Star]

19. Please let mine be the last post here. Let this slink off the first page of DU.

[BlackVelvet04]

20. You're really desperate for attention.....

aren't you?

[robbedvoter]

22. I say you're showing your red ass (just like Edwards did)

[salin]

24. What about all the vitriol you decried just a couple of hours ago?

how does this help us come together after a candidate is determined? This not only is antagonistic to Clinton supporters (she is not my top choice but I could live wth her over ANY of the repubican candidates), but it is also highly offensive to some females who recognize this kind of rhetoric used to demean that is used on gender lines throughout working america.

Great way to undermind your own Love, Love, Love message.

[Hutzpa]

29. Please tell me you did not consider this

as a vitriol....because if you do I will be just about disappointed, since when stating your views become an attack, because you do not agree with my views you consider it to be an attack, WHY?

I stated my views from the events just as anyone on DU could have, these are my hopes for her being shattered, and this is the best you could come up with

but it is also highly offensive to some females who recognize this kind of rhetoric used to demean that is used on gender lines throughout working america.

what a shame. You damn well stop yourself short of calling me a sexist.

[salin]

35. Read what I wrote on your other thread.

I don't think you intended it - but you gave an echo to many women's professional experience. Sexism, as much as we don't want to talk about it, is alive in career america. The logic you used in that thread - was not different than what many of us have experienced. It is not univesral, but too common. But given your responses on both threads, I detect that trying to discuss it would be pointless. I don't think you care if you offended - not just Hillary Clinton supporters (of which I am not) but a whole lot of professional women. Thus I don't know that conversation is really needed.

I will not call you a sexist - I don't know you I can not say that. But the logic and tactics of demeaning in that thread a logic that is rarely applied equaly to males as it is to females is the same type of logic that is used against women in the workplace across America. In that sense it can be read as a sexist post. But I am guessing that you are under 35 and were not old enough to remember either the womens liberation movement, nor the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) push. If you had, than you should be very familar with why the logic used in that thread would be denegrating and offensive to many women. If you are younger I would give you a small pass - IF you were willing to listen and learn from women as to why some would find it reminiscent of gender-based denegration (and worse.)

But I don't get the idea that you have any interesting in understanding where others are coming from.

[alarimer]

30. Yes the OP is typically sexist crap

So Clinton is pretty damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. If she shows emotion, she's weak. If she doesn't, she's cold.

This is yet another example of the sexism that still exists in this country. And, secondarily, how twisted we are emotionally in this country. Men aren't allowed to cry because it isn't "manly". Edmund Muskie is widely assumed to have lost because of it. Women are allowed (even expected- God help you if you don't act like a "normal" woman- you must be a cold-hearted bitch) to cry but they better not do it on the job or they will lose promotions or not look "authoritative".

[salin]

40. we make progress but yet decades later seem to be standing still.

*sigh*

[cooolandrew]

25. I feel compassion for her as a human but still not my preference as president.

[Marie26]

31. I say this stuff is making me want to vote for her. nt

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[Marie26]

41. Ah, well, you know women

So hysterical & fickle.

[Marrah_G]

45. Sadly this guy doesn't even see how offensive his remarks are

[Hutzpa]

47. Let me slow down a bit

as a woman, <you are a woman right>, you went for an interview and got emotional, did you think in your hearts of hearts you would have got the job?

Secondly, she lost me when she attacked JE and BO with her next sentence, if she is soo emotionally tired why not explained why you tired and caught up, why turned the moment into an attack, you are looking for sympathy, and you are looking to use that moment to your advantage...right, but I guess we can agree to disagree on this because no matter what I say, you're going to hold your view and mine is irrelevant....now thats double standard.

[Marie26]

48. Salin's explained this all to you

much better than I have the patience for.

[salin]

50. and as I am off to bed, I can't explain further

so the poster will have to ponder what was written, that thanks to you was clearly understood by another poster (woman). He can either bother to try to understand why the response and grow (doesn't have to change his perception, but at least try to understand those with a different one -where they are coming from - or stick to the vitriol/righteousness. Which would be my guess (the latter) in which case not worth the effort of a one-directional (his) conversation.

So good night to you.

[liberalla]

32. I would have no problem with her emotional moment, except

that it seemed insincere and phony. That is my only complaint. I actually like it when a person drops their facade and spontaneously reveals personal information. It's honest and refreshing. I don't mind eyes welling up and a tear or two falling.

If she had revealed something truly personal for herself, and not just mimicked John Edwards message, it would have come across much better.

Key point: must be authentic to pull this off.

[Hutzpa]

34. Thank you

thats what I say, but she went on the attack,

its an Oscar moment!

[fascisthunter]

36. I Think This is Trivial

compared to her stances on issues such as Iraq or Iran. Things she has said on certain issues turned me off long ago. Not only that but the amount of money she has taken from corporate America..... That was the nail in the coffin. There are other things as well, but her crying, or tearing up, is minor.

[pinto]

54. LOL.

Sorry, but you've sure taken it to an extreme.

[jlake]

57. 5) She is a real person, with real emotions who wants to help America, and is genuinely

sad/afraid that America will be duped by the M$M created Obama, and continue our downward spiral.

[Hutzpa]

59. I guess

M$M told Obama to address issues that are closer to the voters heart...right! I know M$M told Obama to write bills, democratic bills which are for our future, our kids future that went through Senate..right,

M$M told Obama to pass more bills in the Senate than Hillary right,

Hell I guess they told him to talk to the people about change and hope just so they can take Hillary out the picture...WOW!! some of the ignorance shown is unbelievable.

The special interest sure do blind us, that we can sell our birth right in a heart beat.

Damn.....for what he stands for, M$M must love him then.

[jlake]

61. Besides the fact that your post is riddled with factual errors.... The MSM

wants him as the nominee so they can Destroy him in the general.
Rezko/Mob Sleaze
Cocaine/drugs
Infidelity Issues
Muslim/Madrasa etc
NO Experience
Etc etc etc

[Hutzpa]

62. Google is your friend n/t

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[jlake]

63. Yes, and it shows me that 3 of your points are NOT accurate, and that

Obama fails to vote often, criticizes Hillary for voting one way (when he does not show up)...but turns out that he has "written" an IDENTICAL bill previously....Hmm
No wonder everyone likes 0bama....he has taken every position....LOL that some fall for his schtick.

[Pachamama]

64. Hee hee....

Spokane, you really wanted to drive the Hillary supporters and ueber-feminists crazy with this one, didn't you?

:eyes:

I won't touch it...I'm just humored watching the responses...... :hi:

[Skittles]

65. Spokane cruising for a butt-kicking

yes INDEED :D