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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:35 AM
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It's getting VERY ugly out there!
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/07/civilrights/

January 7, 2008, 8:57 pm
Clinton’s Civil Rights Lesson
By Sarah Wheaton

DOVER, N.H. — As they barnstorm through New Hampshire, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband are often introduced by supporters who once backed another candidate but converted to her cause.
Today, in Dover, Francine Torge, a former John Edwards supporter, said this while introducing Mrs. Clinton: “Some people compare one of the other candidates to John F. Kennedy. But he was assassinated. And Lyndon Baines Johnson was the one who actually” passed the civil rights legislation.

The comment, an apparent reference to Senator Barack Obama, is particularly striking given documented fears among blacks that Mr. Obama will be assassinated if elected.

Phil Singer, a Clinton spokesman said: “We were not aware that this person was going to make those comments and disapprove of them completely. They were totally inappropriate.”

Mrs. Clinton’s expression did not change noticeably when Ms. Torge made the comment.
Only a few hours later, she brought up the civil rights legislation herself in remarks to a Fox News correspondent.

Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama have been in a running feud arising from her suggestion at Saturday’s debate that he was raising “false hope.”

Mr. Obama responded that Mr. Kennedy did not decide going to the moon was a false hope and that Martin Luther King, Jr. did not see ending segregation as such.

“Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act,” Mrs. Clinton said when asked about Mr. Obama’s rejoinder by Fox’s Major Garrett after her speech in Dover. “It took a president to get it done.”

The Obama campaign declined to comment on either of those remarks.

Later, during an appearance in Salem, Mrs. Clinton refined her remarks on Fox:
“You know, today Senator Obama used President John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to criticize me. He basically compared himself to our greatest heroes because they gave great speeches.
“President Kennedy was in Congress for 14 years. He was a war hero. He was a man of great accomplishments and readiness to be president. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. led a movement. He was gassed. He was beaten. He was jailed. And he gave a speech that was one of the most beautifully, profoundly important speeches ever written in America, the “I have a dream” speech.

“And then he worked with President Johnson to get the civil rights laws passed, because the dream couldn’t be realized until finally it was legally permissible for people of all colors and backgrounds and races and ethnicities to be accepted as citizens.

“I’m running for president because I believe that there is not a contradiction between experience and change.”
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:37 AM
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1. All right, I'll go back inside
Grumblegrumblegrumble.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:38 AM
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2. It took courage and a conscious decision to put aside political calculating
for Johnson to sign the Civil Rights Act. I don't think Clinton could do that.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:40 AM
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5. I think she has been unfairly characterized on this board. nt
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:43 AM
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7. They probably all are. I miss the unity we here at DU had
after 04. I hope it comes back once we pick a nominee !

Watching the debate Saturday, I thought, WOW, these
4 are great - wish that they all could win.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:46 AM
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9. I don't know - look at DOMA - Clinton claimed he was against it, but signed it anyway
look at welfare reform - Clinto vetoed it twice but then signed it. Both of these were on the eve of his re-election campaign. He signed them because he wanted to take the issues away from the Reps so they couldn't use them against him in the General Election. Major policy issues, but his actions were decided by political calculation. So, I don't think the characterization is unfair, I think it has a basis in history.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:38 AM
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3. By "ugly" do you mean James Carville is involved?
:evilgrin:
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:40 AM
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4. LOL. I'm ignorant on that. He he a dirty trickster?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:42 AM
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6. Not really, he just fell off an ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. nt
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:45 AM
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8. Yep. And he seems to be still falling. I heard the talking heads
hypothesizing last night about how the Clinton campaign
could turn things around. They said that they bet
the Clintons were on the phone begging Carville and
Begala to come back and fix things.
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