The Edwards loss is the fault...

[Blarch]

of the media. I have read it a million times on this board.

The media made the people write their checks
The media made the people show up and vote
The media made Edwards vote for war
The media told the people who to pick.

The media first wanted Hillary, now they want Obama. Are you fucking kidding me ?

Enough already, the people saw the speeches, the people saw the debates, the people know the issues, the people are deciding.

[skipos]

1. He won SC with 45% of the vote. He is at about 15% there right now.

People are switching their votes from 2004. He put all his eggs in the Iowa basket, and it hasn't worked out (yet).
And I say this as someone who would be delighted with a J.E. nomination.

[EVDebs]

6. You can fool some of the people (Iowans) some of the time...

but by Super Tuesday and the results of many state's secret ballot primaries, hopefully the candidate with a substantial progressive agenda will be elected. Or not.

Plus I'm told that only around 300,00 of Iowa's potential 2 million voters actually caucused.

[EVDebs]

2. End result of Iowa: Obama 18 delegates, Edwards 17 delegates HRC 16 delegates

Iowa turnout, when you examine it, shows 'record turnout' but...

Iowa caucus turnout shatters record
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/03/democratic-caucus-turnout-shatters-record/

So, a record 247,000 caucasers turned out in a state with 2,193,990 eligible voters.

This "record" of about 11.2% turnout shows us the limited democracy we have in this country.

There really needs to be a laugh track added to the M$M's coverage of this charade !

[Blarch]

5. boy, the media sure wanted it close.

I wonder how the media wants the vote to turn out in NH ?

[Occam Bandage]

9. I'm guessing, according to DU, the media will want it to turn out exactly as it did.

[EVDebs]

10. So, how come the media's making Obama out as the new King of The World ?

I can't figure that one out for the lifeofme.

[Blarch]

13. you can't figure it out ?

The media is reporting on him because the people are moving to him in a big way.

Whats so difficult to understand ?

[EVDebs]

28. Read post #2. The media is moving him in a big way, the people haven't spoken yet nt

[Dinger]

3. The Media Is Playing Us Like A Fiddle

It's a little game, just like 2004 & before. Build 'em up, bring 'em down, etc., just because they can.
Makes me sick.

[bdamomma]

14. they are certainly playing us all, I am not falling for it though

because as fast as they are propping up Obama they could take him down too, I am hoping for Edwards. Hey anything can happen.

I going with Edwards. This is like when people were gun ho for Howard Dean and we all saw how fast he came crashing down.

[Dinger]

17. I Am Leaning That Way Too

Even though I am still a Clarkie.

[DaLittle Kitty]

4. Yes and the Media Covered Ad Nauseum Which Two Candidates?

Right........ :puke:

[Blarch]

7. The two front runners of course.

Edwards getting second in Iowa doesn't change much nationally.

[October]

26. You were quick to qualify your headline answer

[Occam Bandage]

8. The frontrunners--that is, the two candidates the people prefer.

[EVDebs]

11. Yep, Change (Edwards) and Change-lite (Obama) nt

[Occam Bandage]

19. And outside Iowa, it's either Experience (Clinton) or Change (Obama).

Hypocrisy (Edwards) is a distant third.

[Binka]

23. 2000 + posts in just over a month? Who Are You Working For?

Welcome to ignore. You stink.

[EVDebs]

24. Check this tidbit out...

Iowa turnout, when you examine it, shows 'record turnout' but...

Iowa caucus turnout shatters record
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/03/democratic-caucus-turnout-shatters-record/

So, a record 247,000 caucasers turned out in a state with 2,193,990 eligible voters.

This "record" of about 11.2% turnout shows us the limited democracy we have in this country.

There really needs to be a laugh track added to the M$M's coverage of this charade !

And to perpetuate the charade, the results were Obama 18 delegates, Edwards 17 and HRC 16. A virtual dead-heat, yet we're treated to Obama-mania. Over WHAT exactly ? His claims to be able to 'work with' the GOP while others supposedly can't. Naive Obama like the rest of the Generation X that seem to be driving turnout, need to wake up or switch to Edwards. A candidate that can FIGHT the GOP nutjobs, not do a BOHICA.

[Binka]

29. Thanks Debs

The paid Obama Hillary bots are really pissing me off. They don't have a fucking clue.

[Wednesdays]

12. Edwards loss?

Is there something you know that everyone else doesn't? :shrug:

[Occam Bandage]

20. Look at the state polling for the next few primaries. Edwards is toast.

[EVDebs]

27. California loves JE. nt

[bdamomma]

35. that's nice to hear.

I wondered who guys were for.

[avaistheone1]

39. Oh yeah!

:toast:

[AndyA]

15. There is almost a media blackout of Edwards. He was #2 in Iowa.

Why are they not covering that?

The others spent twice as much, and instead of coming in #3 where everyone expected him to be, he came in at #2, yet that isn't worth mentioning.

No, the media did not make people write checks, show up to vote, or tell people who to pick, but he who gets the most coverage gets the most votes.

Do sales of Britney Spears music increase whenever she's been in the news? Sure they do. Does her website get more hits? Yes.

The media is great at framing the discussion and swaying public opinion, and they're doing a great job of it right now as well. The media has a lot to lose if a candidate that isn't in their back pocket wins the White House.

And who is it they are most afraid of? Think about it.

[Blarch]

16. I already see the foolishness

Duers seem to think the media picks the candidate then reports on them, then the people flock to that person.

The reality is..

The people move to a certain candidate and then the media reports on that person. Thats why the reporting moved from Hillary to Obama ...the vote moved from Hillary to Obama.

Lets be honest now, how many DUers let the media pick their candidate ?

[bdamomma]

18. I certainly don't and why give the media any play at all

they have not been upfront with us because they like playing with the big boys like *co.

[Blarch]

21. well, you have a strong mind.

According to many DUers the media has already picked their candidate.

These same people were complaining that the media was picking Hillary, and reporting only on Hillary...but over the last two days the only story running about Hillary is HOW BAD SHE IS DOING ...the simple reason for that is BECAUSE SHE IS DOING BAD.

[Wednesdays]

22. Political junkies like us aren't swayed by the media

but we're only a tiny percentage of who go to the polls. The average Joe on the street go by who they hear about most often and who gets the most positive coverage.

[Binka]

25. How Fucking Old Are You

Is english your second language? My first grader writes more intelligently. Bye. Ignore.

[Blarch]

30. thats OK

If you want to ignore me because you don't like my writing, thats fine. But we all see through that, you support Edwards, and you think their is a conspiracy in the media to ignore your candidate. Talk about being in 1st grade.

Ya, the entire media conspired against your candidate... :nopity:

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[Blarch]

34. thats great.

anyone with under 200 posts is a freeper.

What a warm welcome. You already compared me to a 1st grader and a freeper and called me a clueless asshole.. should I alert you ? or will you behave ?

[Blarch]

32. So let me see.

You put me on ignore and two minutes later you responded to another one of my posts ?

How does that ignore thingy work anyway ?:hi:

[Malikshah]

33. And the media is not covering the decisions--they are willfully ignoring them

Look at the polls and compare to coverage.

The media chose Bush twice over and they continue to be drunk with power.

[AndyTiedye]

36. Never Underestimate the Power of the Media

The media made the people write their checks

Yup, and when we write those checks, most of that money is spent to buy a few precious seconds of time on, guess what, the media!

The media made the people show up and vote

Yup. That's why we pay a million dollars a minute for ads.

Of course, the media gives their favored candidates all the free airtime they want.

The media made Edwards vote for war

The media was doing everything in its power to stampede the whole country into war.

The media told the people who to pick.

They always do, and a lot of people believe them.

The media first wanted Hillary, now they want Obama. Are you fucking kidding me ?

The media wants a Republican. Never forget that.
They'd like Hillary or Obama to be our nominee because they are so vulnerable to swift-boating attacks
that they can ensure a Repiglickin' victory (and another regime that will be very nice to big media companies).

[Blarch]

41. yep.

here is your media electing Obama...

[avaistheone1]

37. Every time the Obama name is raised by the media is worth millions of dollars

Yed there is a media blackout on John Edwards.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

38. It's a cliche. Happens every election.

The people who lose say, "the media wouldn't let us get our message out."

[avaistheone1]

43. NOT a cliche! Then show us all the headlines about Edwards.

Edwards has been censored by major media since his campaign started. It became glaringly apparent after Edwards took a second-place finish in Iowa --- all the media talks about is Obama and Clinton, not Obama and Edwards.


Media ignore anti-establishment presidential candidates

http://www.democracyforutah.com/node/1949

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. Edwards isn't news.

Obama winning is news. Clinton tanking isn't news.

Edwards not doing either isn't news.

People aren't saying this about Richardson, are they?

[youthere]

40. LOSS? He took second in Iowa...I see no loss.

[cooolandrew]

42. It's a very fair point Obama simply fought harder than the rest and that's what's required right now

[EFerrari]

44. Where have you been for the last fifty years? n/t