Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Remember Kucinich's Impeachement vote?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:19 PM
Original message
Remember Kucinich's Impeachement vote?
When he introduced his Resolution in the House that Cheney be impeached? Recall as the vote went on and the resolution began to pick up support, a funny thing happened.

Suddenly the GOP began voting with Kucinich until there was a large majority in favor of opening it up for debate. The GOP spin was that they wanted to "humiliate" Dems by letting it come to the floor for debate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJYbgouqlMw

Is it possible the GOP is using the same tactic in the primaries - with large numbers of GOP'ers and I's switching to vote for Obama with the intention of forcing Dems to nominate a candidate who then becomes a media bullseye and can't win in the GE?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:24 PM
Response to Original message
1. I don't think so
I really think they were hoping to run against Hillary. I think this Obama surge blindsided them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. The strategy can be used against either one
and if she starts pulling ahead, I expect them to switch the tactic to her favor.

Those are the only two Dems they would apply it to, IMHO.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:25 PM
Response to Original message
2. It's my biggest fear that this is exactly what happened in IOWA!
That's why I'm so weary of this groundswell, this movement, for Sen. Obama.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. When I saw news of large demand for Dem ballots in NH
it confirmed my suspicions.

I've seen the GOP pull these stunts at the local level, usually in judicial races, where its easy to influence a primary vote. When I was a City Leader for the Dem party I was surprised to find quite a few Republics I knew listed as Dems in the poll books. Upon checking further I found they had switched to D so they could vote against someone in the Dem primary. Its a very common tactic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #2
10. Is that 'weary' or 'wary'?
Hard to tell from the context.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. I spelled it wrong............I meant "wary" as in full of suspicion.
Although I was "tired" when I posted that comment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:26 PM
Response to Original message
3. That's giving them a lot of respect. It's more like a cabbage patch kids
thing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:27 PM
Response to Original message
4. No
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:54 PM
Response to Original message
7. If Republicans are allowed a vote in the primaries of opposition
parties, which seems to be what happened in Iowa, you could be right. I mean if you could vote in the Republican primaries, wouldn't you vote for the candidate you believe your candidate could beat?

Don't worry. This election will be decided on February 5th, not the small states with early selection this time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:55 PM
Response to Original message
8. No.
They can coordinate like that in the House, but not among the numbers we're seeing in the primary states.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. It doesn't take a whole lot
and there's already been a great deal of discussion among the freeps about it. I've had several mention it to me on mixed fora.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:29 PM
Response to Original message
11. I wouldn't be at all surprised to be honest.
The whole voting process has been so corrupted and the media has WAY too much input.

I don't believe ANYTHING they tell us.

As I commented elsewhere...the media* doesn't follow stories...it MAKES them...WE are the ones who follow.



* This is the same media that is owned by big big money interests, remember?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. They've done it before
combined with the big media push, its very possible. I put nothing past them, they're very well organized.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:44 PM
Response to Original message
14. NO DOUBT this is going on in the background, with unknown success and
perhaps even false underlying assumptions, like US voters will not elect a muslim of color. The likeliest practical consideration is who is easiest to defeat in the Fall by whom. Their past record is whatever tactic works, so expect these aspects of an Obama candidacy to be used and abused.

Considering the influence Iowa and NH have, both the degree of ease Rs have in crossing the line and access by independents has a lot of weight early in the selection process. This is happening even if there is no organized campaign to skew.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:01 PM
Response to Original message
15. I worked with a republican who always voted for the democratic candidate who
he thought the republicans could beat in the general election. Of course they're voting for Obama!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 11:43 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC