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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:31 PM
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Obama swiftboating begins....
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Ytzak Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:47 PM
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1. Is there anything in the article categorically untrue?
Are there any lies?

Is it just the truth spun to look bad?
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 01:54 PM
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2. That's just the kind of question the swiftboaters would ask.
But the intent is to smear him with associations of being an "atheist", or a Black Muslim", or a commie agitator, or some other name that raises fears in the mind of public prejudices.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:04 PM
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3. In the quotes from the church, the quote is laid out to look like
the preacher was promoting violent black nationalism and drug dealing, when the actual context to a discerning reader was that America (not the black community) is responsible for the drug trade and exporting weapons and training killers.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:05 PM
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4. No one is exempt
its the only way GOP'ers know how to campaign - dirty tricks.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:07 PM
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5. Exactly. Imho, we need to counter this bs regardless
of who is targeted. Because everyone will get the same treatment.
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 02:46 PM
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6. Who's this we?
From what I've read on this page regarding Obama, there are plenty of people out here willing to help the Repubs out on this one.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:01 PM
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7. Baloney. n/t
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:18 PM
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8. Wake up.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:21 PM
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9. This is the DEMOCRATIC underground.
We don't censor people here. Thoughtful argumentation actually builds consensus.

If you are looking for the Lock Step Underground, you're in the wrong place.
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:35 PM
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11. You think to highly of this forum.
While it's not the freepers, there's plenty of lock step around here.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:40 PM
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13. No. I know this forum. This isn't a video game, it's a community.
I have seen this forum activate the best in itself to do the extremely difficult just because it was the right thing to do.

I'm very proud to be a member of the DemocraticUnderground.

People have their own opinions and they voice their own concerns and gripes. They go overboard and misbehave. (WE misbehave, lol.) But when the rubber hits the road, I can always count on this community to work together for our common good.

Try to sell the divisiveness to someone who will buy it. No sale here.


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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:45 PM
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16. Sale? You misunderstand.
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 03:46 PM by fjc
It's just one opinion vs another. Don't get in a sweat about it. Besides. Lockstep was your term and on
reflection, it's too strong. Carry on.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:45 PM
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17. No, I haven't misunderstood anything.
And, thanks, I don't need direction from you.
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:47 PM
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18. Maybe not from me,
but it's pretty likely you need direction. Everybody does.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:50 PM
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19. Really? What a strange, authoritarian claim.
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:56 PM
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20. Oh geez, give it a rest dearie.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:58 PM
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21. Don't start what you can't finish.
:)
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:01 PM
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22. I already finished it.
Take your paranoia somewhere else to sell.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:35 PM
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23. So, after your divisiveness fails, you resort to personal attacks.
Well done!
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:52 PM
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24. Well, of course, you're not getting personal or divisive
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 04:53 PM by fjc
when your idea of "thoughtful argumentation" is to insinuate authoritarian motives from a simple observable fact. Pot, kettle, black.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:53 PM
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25. There was no insinuation whatsoever. I was very direct. n/t
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:00 PM
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27. Whoever posts last in this sub-thread WINS!
:eyes:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:02 PM
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29. Good call, Blue-Jay. You're right. n/t
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:03 PM
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30. Good point.
It's what happens on freeper blogs all the time.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:21 PM
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10. Welcome to DU
I think you're exaggerating.
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:35 PM
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12. Hardly. Read the posts in that thread.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 03:42 PM
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15. Excuse me? There is nothing wrong with lock step?
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 03:55 PM by sfexpat2000
The Hitler Youth were schooled on the same principle.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:02 PM
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28. Every Dem candidate has been roundly attacked on this forum
at various times throughout the last several months, and will continue to be attacked until a candidate is finally chosen.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 04:58 PM
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26. Big difference....Kerry was a terrible counter-puncher
Obama has that Bill Clinton quality, I think, where people attack him and the attackers end up bloodied.

They accused Clinton of rape and murder and he want on tv and asked, "Do you really think I'm capable of that?" and the electorate said, "No...not you."

Obama will do the same.

Kerry would respond "Do you really think I'm capable of all that?" and voters said, "Yea...kinda."
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