Kerry/Edwards '04 acted responsibly with Halliburton/KBR data.

[IdesOfOctober]

In 2004, John Kerry and John Edwards acted very responsibly after learning about key non-public details of ongoing investigations into Halliburton/KBR.

These investigations, which are still active, center around allegations that top executives at http://www.google.com/search?q=david+smith+halliburton+kerry+site:democraticunderground.com&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&filter=0">Halliburton/KBR, going back to Cheney's tenure as CEO, bribed foreign officials to "win" overseas contracts.

In late '06, some (but not all) of http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=david+smith+halliburton&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=nw">this data emerged into public view.

The latest regulatory filings at the SEC for both http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=&CIK=hal&filenum=&State=&SIC=&owner=include&action=getcompany">HAL and http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=&CIK=kbr&filenum=&State=&SIC=&owner=include&action=getcompany">KBR verify the ongoing nature of the investigations. Special note should be paid to these forms: 8-K ("Current Reports," which disclose important news between regularly-scheduled quarterly filings), 10-Q (quarterly reports), and 10-K (annual reports).

For those curious to see outrageous executive compensation, see these form types: 3, 4, and 5. Those disclose initial stock grants, and updates when new grants are made. All executive compensation is disclosed in form DEF (wildcard) filings (usually with a clearly labeled heading).

The John Edwards campaign has been a tremendous boon in this and other corporatism and Bush League investigations. Their follow-up has been appropriate, quiet, thorough, and at all times bound by the legal ethics of John Edwards' profession.

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[DemReadingDU]

1. Quiet, for sure. Mostly non-existent media coverage.

Perhaps after tonight in New Hampshire, the media will give Edwards more facetime. edit for spelling.

[IdesOfOctober]

2. I think Edwards will continue to benefit from info flow.

His campaign has proven to be savvy and receptive.

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[Blackhatjack]

3. K & R !!!

Thanks for posting this.

[IdesOfOctober]

4. You bet. n/t

[DemReadingDU]

5. morning kick

[IdesOfOctober]

7. You mean afternoon, right?

[karynnj]

6. From the story I read, it was the Kerrys who dealt with this

Teresa Heinz Kerry was told the information and John Kerry got Jonathan Winer, a former Staffer - who investigated the Contras and BCCI while on Kerry's staff to help. Nothing even indicated that Edwards was told. Unless you have a link that speaks of how the John Edwards campaign was involved - or even if they were, it just seems like you are trying to morph a responsible and ethical action of Kerry's, into something Edwards did. Likewise, when you say Edwards has aided in other Bush investigations, it is not clear when or how.

Kerry is and was the one with a real record investigating and fighting this type of corrupt - not Edwards. Just as it was Kerry, not Edwards, who led on plans to get out of Iraq and how to deal with terrorism and Kerry, not Edwards, with a real record on the environment. Edwards may have been on Kerry's ticket, but that does not give him Kerry's history - which oddly would be better backup to most of his rhetoric than his own - assuming you keep the "son of a millworker".

[IdesOfOctober]

8. Kerry picked Edwards as his running mate.

Do you mean to suggest that Kerry didn't trust Edwards on these issues?

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[robbedvoter]

10. So, by this logic, is John Edwards a decorated Vietnam veteran now? Sheesh!

[IdesOfOctober]

11. In this case, Edwards was present during the leak. LINK

The http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=kerry+edwards+beckley+airport">facts on this are verifiable, with a little bit of sweat equity.

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[robbedvoter]

13. But did HE do the work, or just being on the ticket entitles him to credit?

[IdesOfOctober]

14. Edwards and Kerry both kept quiet.

They let the ongoing investigation unfold.

John and Elizabeth Edwards had their own press pool. They could have leaked, but didn't.

So, Edwards gets full credit for behaving responsibly and within the ethical dictates of his profession.

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[robbedvoter]

17. Full credit from you.

[IdesOfOctober]

22. It is often hard for non-lawyers to understand the constraints.

But yes, I give high marks to both John Kerry and John Edwards on how they behaved.

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[robbedvoter]

39. Funny that - as I happen to be a lawyer...but thanks for patronizing

:rofl:
This credit extension just became funnier:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2649846&mesg_id=2649846
:rofl: :rofl:

[IdesOfOctober]

41. What's the longest a case has taken you to develop?

I'm sure many will be hanging on Senator Kerry's every word to understand his thinking.

He just became "interesting enough" again to book for Sunday morning talk shows now.

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[DemReadingDU]

15. I think I remember

I think that was when David's mom was talking to Teresa Kerry about David's situation with Halliburton. Edwards was just named VP, and so Edwards must have been around when Halliburton was discussed.

P.S. I saw Kerry and Edwards on 7/7/04 in Dayton, Ohio. Even got their autographs.

:)

[karynnj]

19. He may have been around when Haliburton was discussed

but I seriously doubt that Kerry spoke of this to anyone without the need to know. From the story, Teresa was the one told and she likely spoke directly to Kerry. Kerry had Winer call him, because Winer had worked with him on issues like BCCI. Kerry, while working those issues, worked hard not to leak information. There would be no reason to speak to the campaign on it - including Edwards. Kerry was not going to use it. Speaking to many campaign people would likely guarantee a leak. What could Edwards do to insure this was dealt with properly that Kerry couldn't? - Kerry's contacts were better.

If Edwards was involved, then he does deserve credit - but do you have a link where it is mentioned that he knew by the person involved?

I assume that any discussions on Halibuton stuck to stuff in the public domain.

[IdesOfOctober]

24. See #11.

[IdesOfOctober]

20. See #11.

[karynnj]

27. He was at the event where Smith's mom spoke to Teresa

That does not mean that Teresa told him what was said. Teresa knew it was important - she may have gone straight to her husband. Nothing in the story indicates that Teresa and Edwards were together when the woman spoke to her. (Having seen John Kerry and Teresa in a pretty small group - they each started on a different side of the room and circled around to speak to everybody.) As I'm saying, Edwards might have known but the story that I read spoke of John Kerry.

[IdesOfOctober]

29. Maybe David can shed some light.

However, my understanding is that they all came and departed on the same plane, and that the topic was discussed on the plane.

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[CorpGovActivist]

43. I Wasn't There, but...

... my understanding, second-hand, is that Edwards was made privy to the information when they all got back on the plane to leave.

- Dave

[karynnj]

18. No - but it does not assign Kerry's record, integrity or decisions to Edwards

Edwards needs to prove his credentials from his own record - and that is what he's done. What he uses is his time as a trial lawyer, where he did fight corporations.

It is Kerry, though who has fought corruption in the government - likely as much as any Senator. This is not relevent to the 2008 Presidential race as he is not running.

[IdesOfOctober]

23. Edwards could've leaked the info. He didn't.

So I have to give him the same credit as Kerry on this. Both let the investigations unfold without political interference.

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[karynnj]

28. Actually Kerry did more - linking him to one of the top investigators in the country

who Kerry knew for about 20 years (he worked for Kerry on BCCI and the Contra investigations) as a person who could be trusted.

[IdesOfOctober]

31. The BCCI investigation bona fides went a long way.

I doubt David would have said anything to him, otherwise.

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[robbedvoter]

9. Ah, but Edwards WANTED to count the votes, doncha know...Didn't. but wanted...

Yup. Let all the glitter rub on him, but none of the negatives...

[IdesOfOctober]

12. I never said that.

There are some issues where I think Edwards can rightfully claim to share Kerry's views. On others, no.

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[BlueIris]

40. Woah, stop that. That's way too much factual information.

Gonna make heads asplode around here if you keep that up.

[IdesOfOctober]

42. I love you.

See your signature line.

:rofl:

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[JackRiddler]

16. Um... okay.

So where does that get us, FOUR YEARS later?

This investigation ever going to lead anywhere?

[IdesOfOctober]

21. The complexity and scope of these investigations is almost unimaginable.

The evidence alone requires a server farm.

Such investigations take a lot of time and careful planning.

If we get the right President and AG, this will move quickly enough to satisfy just about everyone.

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[DemReadingDU]

25. and if we don't get the right President and AG?

then what? The investigation is halted?

[IdesOfOctober]

26. All bets are off then.

Personally, I think that some noisy follow-up stories are needed.

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[JackRiddler]

36. Please.

Where was this noise in 2005-2008?

[IdesOfOctober]

38. OP links.

[Didereaux]

30. this is more frustration than anything. I don't want quiet longterm investigations...I want blood,

I want severed limbs and rotting corpses. I want firing squads and gallows and drawing & quartering. I want the criminals and 13 generations of their spawn.

Outside of those rather reasonable requests, I do believe in the thoroughness used so far. grin

[IdesOfOctober]

32. Get back to your knitting.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=madame+defarge">Madame Defarge's Darn(ed) Socks and Guillotine Sharpening, LTD

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[Didereaux]

33. you are completely flummoxed by sarcasm! Admit it.

[IdesOfOctober]

34. I am flummox-free.

I was kidding you back, Defarge.

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[Didereaux]

35. touche! we're even heheh

[IdesOfOctober]

37. Le chat.

I doff my hat.

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