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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:09 PM
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How would you advise Hillary?
If you worked for her campaign, what would you tell her to help turn things around?
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:11 PM
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1. Muzzle Bill
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:17 PM
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14. LOL!! Thats not nice
live bigdog alone.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:43 PM
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47. Yeah I know. He sucks all the air out of the room but he's not letting her fight her own battle.
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:25 PM
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21. Drop out so my candidate can get your votes. haha
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:56 PM
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30. what she said
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:44 PM
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48. That may be assuming too much at this point.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:11 PM
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2. Forget everything else
and just be yourself.

tell your advisors (and your husband) to f*ck off
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:18 PM
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16. Agreed
It won't work, but that's the only plausible route.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:12 PM
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3. Tell Bill to go get a hummer and shut the fuck up
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:13 PM
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4. Come on back and continue to be a pretty good Senator...n.t
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:14 PM
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5. drop out NOW!
and throw all of your support to edwards.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:15 PM
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7. .
:eyes:
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 06:01 PM
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31. I was about to post the same thing!
You said it in a much simpler way. :)

Maybe she can drop out now and run for Senate again, become a real Progressive if she wins and then maybe try again in 2012? Is that too far fetched?
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:15 PM
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6. get a white stain on her suit
from a young hot stud.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 06:59 PM
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39. And people accused me of being sexist because I questioned DU males
You're an ass, dude.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:15 PM
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8. Accept that she's been shafted by her corporate supporters
and run a real campaign. They've switched candidates and are backing Obama instead. She's in a tough spot. If she campaigns honestly, they'll drop her like a hot potato and cut off all her funding.

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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:16 PM
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9. Tell them to pay me
and get rid of all those Special Interest groups standing behind.

Special Interest!...thats a tough call.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:16 PM
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10. Sigh. Get over it. And, start enjoying life.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:17 PM
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11. I'd tell her: You're a fraud and it's transparent.
Better luck next time.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:17 PM
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12. She needs to address the things that bother people about
her directly. First she needs to apologize for the IWR and other votes she has made that rubber stamp the Bush administration's failed policies and say that she was wrong. Then she needs to assure the electorate that her presidency will be new and fresh, not a retread of Bill Clinton's presidency especially his failures like NAFTA. She needs to assure the electorate that she is going to do what is needed to fix NAFTA and some of Bill's other middle of the road social failures, like welfare to work. She's got to convince ME that she is really for genuine change. She has to convince me that she will take a hard and unbiased look at the Medicare for all Act H. R. 676 before she proceeds with her health care plan and convince me that her health care plan isn't written by health care lobbyists in Washington.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:25 PM
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18. I agree...
I think her health care plan has to go. She's too afraid of getting the 'socialized medicine' label from the repukes. I don't knoow how much good it would do as far as the IWR since it's so far into the campaign now. It might be too late for that. I totally agree with what you said about Bill Clinton's presidency. While I thought it was good, it could have been a hell of a lot better.

Thanks :)
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:17 PM
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13. Apologize for her IWR vote, promise to get the troops out of Iraq as soon as
humanly possible, vow to make the Pentagon lean and mean, propose single-payer health care on the Canadian model, and admit that the Bill Clinton era was NOT some sort of golden age.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:18 PM
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15. Drop Richard Holbrooke as a foreign policy advisor
and redefine her positions in dealing with the world.
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brazos121200 Donating Member (626 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:19 PM
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17. I would tell her to quit being the "establishment" candidate and
become the "radical" candidate. People are in the mood for radical change and want no more to do with the "Washington establishment", so she needs to quit defending her vote for the war funding and all the other easy decisions she has made to get along. Unfortunately for her, it is probably too late for any such advice, she should have done this months ago when there was still time. If she had sensed the mood of the country then she could have tailored her message to conform with popular will. Now, anything she does will be suspect, and rightly so.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:25 PM
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19. I tell her to be careful on "going negative". Bill too.
That strategy is likely to come back and bite her in the ass.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:25 PM
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20. Tell her to fire Mark Penn - Like NOW!
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 07:00 PM
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41. That's an excellent suggestion
He's been lousy.
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:26 PM
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22. Be a progressive.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:27 PM
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23. Forget the focus groups. Just be yourself.
All I had ever hoped to see from her. Never did.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:41 PM
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28. Like I said - tell her to fire Mark Penn.
The man is a pig.. enough said.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:27 PM
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24. Send Bill on vacation and then fire her advisors. Come to DU and Kos for
advice. Just saying.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:30 PM
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25. Drop out of the race. "Inevitability" was the dumbest possible theme
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 05:31 PM by HamdenRice
That's why Edwards can stay in the race despite losing. He never said he was inevitable.

By saying that she had raised too much money and tied up too many endorsements for anyone else to have a chance, by saying her presidency was inevitable, she made her losses in Iowa and New Hampshire more fatal to her than they could be to anyone else.

Now that she's not inevitable, what is she? Now that we have a choice, we'll choose Obama or Edwards.

The best thing she could do now for herself and the country is slink away with some grace.

She's toast. She's finished.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:35 PM
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26. I'd advise her to switch parties.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:36 PM
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27. I don't think she can afford to lose her corporate backers.
Wall Street was banking on her candidacy, literally. She's beholden to several industries. She can't afford to just be herself and lose that money. She has no way of possibly making it up because Obama and Edwards have drawn the support of anti-establishment grassroots.

So I guess my point is that the only thing she could do to possibly turn things around is get rid of the corporate puppetmasters. But even if she did, she wouldn't have enough money to make it through a full campaign. So there's really nothing she can do at this point except "stay the course" and hope one of the other big three falters.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 05:55 PM
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29. I would not hesitate to tell them this...
The biggest negative on Clinton all along has been the assumption of title before the fact. The public is angry, angry with Dem Congress for not stopping the war and prosecuting criminals in office, they are angry at the administration for lying to them about the war, for lying about many other things, for high oil, for billions wasted at home and abroad that seemingly went directly from US treasury into criminal corps pockets, angry at themselves for being duped in the first place and on and on and on. You do not get elected or supported by making yourself appear aloof and above such petty feelings. You get yourself elected by being angry(or at least appearing to be so) at the same things, and adamantly stating your intentions to do something about these things.

The Clintons, and their advisers uncharacteristically opted for the statesman approach...it may be too late to recover. Then again the American electorate has the memory and attention span of a hog, and if Clinton goes full bore on the attack, not against the other candidates, but against those the people are mad at, the people may just conclude that she would have more clout and would be more apt to 'kill' the bad guys than would the other candidates. It is an easy leap to conclude that she might hold heavy duty grudges and so be far more apt to pursue vengeance...and so long as it did not interfere with attacking the major domestic issues and foreign problems, there is no logical reason the DoJcannot be kept gainfully employed investigating and prosecuting repug criminals.

My advice then would be to out IMMEDIATELY and with all guns blazing, attacking Bush, the Neo-CON defense industry complex, the incompetence shown by all of the republicans the last four years. I would hit the national debt as being the root cause of of the present economic woes and the war as being its root cause. I would lay $100(rightly or wrongly) on the very doorstep of both Bush/Cheney Inc and the energy companies. I would attack the 'patriotic' corporations who through total disregard for the welfare of American workers exported jobs to save on labor. I would lay the obscene condition of Americas health care on the republicatons, I would lay the Immigration problem on their doorsteps for fighting adequate wages for the American worker. I would HAMMER, HAMMER, HAMMER those themes till I was exhausted. It does not matter a whit if all that is 100% accurate it is what the average ANerican believes and is angry about and wants something done about. If you can't get the votes then you can be as intellectually honest as you want, but the other guy will have the power and you won't. Machiavellian, Rovian, probably, but this is war in the truest sense, you either want to win or you are willing to lose. That is what I would tell Hillary Clinton, if I had jsut 5 minutes of her time.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 06:02 PM
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32. Quit the DLC.
Take back her war votes.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 06:04 PM
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33. Drop out and throw your support to John Edwards!
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 06:13 PM
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34. Stay in the Senate, be happy there
you can do good there. Drop out and tell your supporters to get behind Edwards.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 06:56 PM
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37. Second
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 06:57 PM by McCamy Taylor
Except she does not have to throw her support behind anyone. Bill does not have to be president again. Let him run for UN head or something like that.
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 06:51 PM
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35. to be nominated she must be attractive to Democrats.

She is so busy being of the center, that she has forgotton that she must be all Democrat.
not half democrat and half republican. or two thirds democrat, one third republican.
We want a democrat.

I want bush impeached.
I want bush in jail.
I want universal health care
I want the troops out of iraq
I want the consitution restored
I want my government to take care of the poor
I want my government to pay its bills.
I want a sound energy party

We have been sucker punched by the republicans for the last 8 years
God Damn it!!!!!
I want their heads on a stake outside the palace walls.

And Hillary... you are just too much like them...
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 06:55 PM
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36. She needs to quitt knocking the other dem candidates,
apologize for theIraq war vote and revamp her health care plan. Mandatory insurance for people who already can't afford it is frightening. No one wants it.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 06:57 PM
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38. Stop with the politi-speak.. No more soundbytes..n/t
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 06:59 PM
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40. #1: You can't order people to support you.
Your minions around here ought to get that memo, too. Frankly, the inevitability/entitlement thing pisses people off.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 07:06 PM
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43. When was she ordering people to support her?
I hadn't heard that.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 07:05 PM
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42. Wow, great question.
She needs to go for blood, Bush's blood. Scream with the outrage we all feel about the abuses of the last 7 years. Site specifics.

If a Democrat went for the Bush jugular, s/she could gain some traction.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 07:11 PM
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46. The failure of her campaign has been
that she doesn't seem to get it. My problem with her has been that she carries too much water for the administration, her recent Iran vote, for example. It may be too late, but if she has a come to Jesus moment about why she despises Bush, who knows? Not like yesterday, we're all to calloused to care if she feels, we want honest, articulation of what is wrong, and what must change.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 07:06 PM
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44. be nice to barack, there could be a job in it.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 07:09 PM
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45. Ask her if she is willing to destroy Obama in order to win
She has to drive up his negative numbers. She has to make him unlikable. That's her only chance right now, I think.

(Her best bet is to put all her considerable resources into Feb. 5th and run a real national campagin starting right now. But I don't know if she can bounce back from a bunch of early losses).
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