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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:10 AM
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After 35 Years of Experience, She Finally Found Her Voice in NH?
Was it hiding there all these years?

:hide:

- Dave
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:14 AM
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1. The problem is, she has more "voices" than Rich Little...
...and none of them genuine.

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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:16 AM
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2. exactly!
K&R
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:20 AM
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4. Slim Shady...
... wrote a song about this.

; )

- Dave
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:19 AM
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3. also, don't you wish
someone would challenge her about those 35 years. Please tell me what exactly she's done, REALLY DONE, aside from support the illiegal, immoral invasion and occupation of IRAQ. I mean does 20 years of First Ladyhood (Arkansas and US) really qualify her.

She's riding on the Bill Clinton administration and as much as I supported him back in the 90s, I now wish they'd both just go away!
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:23 AM
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5. yeah
I'm sick to death of Bush-Clinton-Bush now Clinton again...I can't stomach more of the same. :-(
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:40 AM
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7. Blech! n/t
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:28 AM
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6. I Don't Doubt...
... for one minute that she was influential - as so many political spouses are.

I don't doubt, for one minute, that she genuinely believed in the pet projects she undertook in her two First Lady incarnations.

I don't doubt, for one minute, that she is an able Senator.

But yes: I'm tired of the dynastic rule. I'm tired of the Clintons' triangulating on issues that - with bold leadership - could be moved yards, not inches.

As for finding her voice: I don't buy it. She's been very vocal on a good many matters for a good many years.

- Dave
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:00 AM
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8. That's exactly the point...!
I'm tired of the Clintons' triangulating on issues that - with bold leadership - could be moved yards, not inches.

When Bill Clinton took office on 1/20/93, he had the opportunity to move this country (which was demanding "change" -- sound familiar? -- after 12 years of Reagan/Bush dynasty) in a genuinely progressive direction. In that key respect, he failed miserably. Even if he did improve things over the disaster that was the G.O.P. hold of the White House (simply by following sane policies rather than completely irrational ones), he did nothing to establish that progressive ideas, rather than a wan centrism, could benefit this country. As a result, he left office with his primary legislative "achievements" being the passage of NAFTA, welfare "reform," and the Defense of Marriage Act, and not having given American voters any reason to continue Democratic control of government, since the successes of those eight years were all about him, not about the Democratic Party or its philosophy.

Under Clinton's anemic leadership, we continued a dispiriting Democratic trend: when we take power, we move the country inches instead of yards. Then the Republicans take over and move it miles in the wrong direction.

Starting from where we will be in 2009, we don't need someone who will tell us to abandon "false" hope and only move us a few inches to the left, at best, yet again.

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 11:22 AM
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10. Beautifully Said! n/t
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:08 AM
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9. Mark Penn wrote that.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:24 PM
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12. If She Didn't Find Her Voice in NH, He'd Find His Pink Slip? n/t
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 11:24 AM
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11. Nice post, Barack!
:hide:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:48 PM
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13. Well, I'm Not a Primary Supporter of His, but He Found HIS Voice...
... after many fewer years, and uses it to much greater effect.

- Dave
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:49 PM
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14. We continue to find our voice, as we grow. At least those who keep growing do.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:58 PM
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15. My Opinions Have Evolved, Changed, and Even Done 180s...
... over time, and my voice has grown commensurately with my experience.

But I "found" it a long time ago. Her speechwriter on that line should be shot.

- Dave
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:08 PM
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16. It's not a line I would have used. But I have to say I also think it might play VERY well
with a key constituency - middle aged and older women. I have many friends in those categories and I have heard similar sentiments, even among professional accomplished women.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:20 PM
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17. Hillary Clinton as Diane Keaton?
I buy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Keaton">Diane Keaton in those roles. I will suspend my disbelief.

You can't give away the ticket to me to see Clinton reprise those roles.

- Dave
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