It was "Iron My Shirt!" I think, that made many women rally around HC in NH.

[Bumblebee]

That's what made me see red, too, esp, after reading Gloria Steinem's column in the NYT. I am sure it got an even larger play in the NH media than it did in the national press. I have a feeling it is at least as important as her tearing up, esp. after all the humiliation she was getting from the media.

[Atman]

1. Very few people saw it.

Seriously. The number of people who actually witnessed the "protest" live, in such a way as it would impact their vote, was infinitesimal in the grand scheme of things. Certainly not enough to sway an election.


.

[Bumblebee]

6. But it was all over the papers... Or is it just my sense because I was so aware

of it? My husband agrees with you but in my gut... :)

[blondeatlast]

10. Since I have no idea how "Iron my shirt" fits into current events,

I think that may be the case.

I'm way more informed than the average voter and get very little news from the American MSM press. Sorry, but that's the truth.

[Atman]

28. I am a total political junkie...I didn't hear about it until DU.

Nor did I hear about the "Iron my shirt" thing. People, you have to remember that DU is home of the hard core, NOT the "average 'Murkin."

.

[yardwork]

12. I saw it, and I'm not in New Hampshire. That's a small state.

The incident played on the news, and people talked about it. As a woman, it made me mad. If I were somewhat undecided between Hillary and Obama (and frankly I don't see a big difference between them when I look at the actual policies they propose) it might have been enough to get me to vote for Hillary.

[Bitwit1234]

31. I'm telling you and you don't let it sink in. SENIORS SHOWED

UP OVERWHELMINGLY. They are sick and tired of Obama and the doodle boppers flaming them. And the fact that Obama said he thought he would fix SS and maybe partially privatize it....watch them turn out all over the place.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. hell yea. Everyone knows thats a job for illegal immigrants, not NH women.

[Elspeth]

4. Nah. It's a job for the lazy ass males who can't be bothered to iron their own crap

Fuck.

[tridim]

11. Hey, lots of males don't iron ANYTHING.

[Elspeth]

36. And lots of females don't either--self included

Strictly wash & wear.

But if you have something that needs to be ironed, do it your damned self.

[Gato Moteado]

3. hillary is one crafty politician

i didn't see the heckler, but i wouldn't be surprised if he was inserted by the campaign to get the exact reaction that it got.

[Yael]

7. I wouldn't even blink an eye at that.

[Bumblebee]

9. yes, and then they went and fixed all voting machines.

sure thing.

[Yael]

17. They are manipulative, but not criminals.

[Bumblebee]

19. I am glad you at least make that distinction :-)

[Gato Moteado]

39. they're clever and crafty....i wouldn't say manipulative

and i agree that they're not criminals. don't you wish the oversensitive hillary backers would chill out a little and stop taking everything someone says as an attack on women and hillary.

i'm not "backing" any of the top three right now...i like them all and i have always felt that each of the three campaigns should stop the negative campaigning and mud slinging. they're all guilty of it.

i'll support whichever one gets the nomination....i'll be totally happy if it's hillary and equally happy if it's one of the other two.

[Gato Moteado]

40. i don't think we were going all conspiracy theory here

but you can't tell me that you don't think campaigns plant people to get a message or an emotion out there.

[Marrah_G]

23. And you would be VERY wrong

[yardwork]

14. It was a radio show stunt.

[aquart]

18. Anything but that voters chose her?

Why is that impossible to believe? Do you challenge every vote for Edwards? Kucinich? ANY of the men?

[Gato Moteado]

38. another over-reaction by an over-sensitive fanatic!

are you insinuating from my post that i'm somehow anti-woman? you're a nutcase if you are seriously making that unbelievable stretch and accusing me of that. i think you owe me an apology.

secondly, i've been standing up for hillary against all the hillary haters here. my comment was meant more as a compliment to hillary as i consider her a scrappy and crafty politician and fighter who knows how to play the game against the big boys.

if you can't own up to your overreaction and apologize, i hope you're at least able to get over yourself.

[Marrah_G]

22. You are SO wrong

It was a shock jock radio show from WBCN (Worcester)- these sleaze balls even use a special needs kid to do their dirty work.

I realize you hate Hillary desperately but you are way fucking off base on this one.

[Gato Moteado]

34. where do you get off telling me i hate hillary?

you should think before you type stupid shit like that. i actually like hillary and was happy she won NH. but i'm still smart enough to know how politicians, all politicians, operate.

if it was a stunt created by her campaign, it was a brilliant one. if it wasn't a stunt of her campaign, they should add it to the the repertoire.

[TwilightZone]

24. Nope, it was a radio stunt.

A radio station admitted that they sent the guys as a publicity stunt.

[Gato Moteado]

35. ah....like i said, i didn't even see it.

but when i heard about it here, my first thought was what a brilliant move it was!

[11 Bravo]

30. Congratulations, you now have something in common with Sean Hannity ...

of course, it's a predilection for espousing totally unsubstantiated bullshit, but, hey, you have to start somewhere.

[Gato Moteado]

37. chill out, you're a little too sensitive

i'm nothing like sean hannity. i'm not a hillary hater. and all i did was speculate that a politician as crafty as she could have been the one planting the heckler to get the emotion that it sparked. i actually considered it a brilliant move rather than something wrong, had it been her campaign that did it.

if you think i'm a hillary hater, you're way off base.
if you think i'm like sean hannity, you're a nutcase.
if you don't think politicians plant people at their events, you're naive.

[jackstraw45]

5. People vote for a 4 year President based on anger over a RADIO STUNT

Some voters choose their candidates like they choose favorites on American Idol....

[aquart]

26. What an odd, twisted interpretation.

Perhaps you're too young to remember the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings. Men always focus on the impossibility of knowing for sure if Anita Hill was telling the truth, so they gave Thomas the benefit of the doubt. Women watching saw something completely different. We saw men reacting to a woman's testimony with contemptuous, dismissive disbelief. We heard them tell us that what she said could NOT be true because, if it was, she would have quit.

That was when we realized we had NO representation in the Senate. That was when we realized that these sanctimonious asses knew NOTHING about our lives or what we had to do to survive. And did not care.

The reaction to Hillary's Iowa loss, and her momentary humanity, was outrageous. Any woman who saw it
and didn't turn ice cold with rage...well, that's a woman I will never understand. Maureen Dowd and Arianna Huffington will understand her, but not me.

It wasn't about ANYTHING the woman did. It was ALL about the reaction to it.

And I have a long memory and an unforgiving nature.

[jackstraw45]

41. "Men always focus on the impossibility of knowing for sure if Anita Hill was telling the truth"

"Men always focus on the impossibility of knowing for sure if Anita Hill was telling the truth so they gave Thomas the benefit of the doubt."

Wow - are you really *that* sexist?

"The reaction to Hillary's Iowa loss, and her momentary humanity, was outrageous."

The reaction by whom? A small group of annoying people on the internet? It's a POLITICAL CAMPAIGN.

Aren't there issues, such as the economy, Iraq, homeless vets, nuclear non-proliferation that are more important than a vocal minority being obnoxious?

Again, this isn't "American Idol" - it's about choosing a person for the most important job in the world.

[jackstraw45]

43. Oh, and I REMEMBER watching and believing Anita Hill. It was INDIVIDUALS

like Sen. Hatch and some colleagues who acted so poorly.

Not ALL or even CLOSE to all men as you shamefully imply.

[Generic Other]

45. Nicely stated

I couldn't agree with you more. I was truly surprised at my own reaction toward males who acted so patronizingly toward her. I have been criticizing the hell out of this woman for several years. I am not one of her supporters. but it felt like they went way over the line and attacks on her felt like attacks on all women.

And I can see this is a very emotional response on my part, yet it is visceral reaction that overwhelmed me. And if I had been a voter in NH, she probably would have gotten my vote. I'm as surprised as anybody by that fact. :shrug:

[Patsy Stone]

8. Even though they were from some radio station in Boston?

The Toucher and Rich Show?

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/07/video-the-obligatory-iron-my-shirt-post/

[Bumblebee]

13. but how many people know the details? See Dowd's column, for example, in

today's NYT. It did not make her more sympathetic to Hillary but it did register.

[Patsy Stone]

32. I know.

No one does the legwork. It's sad. :(

[blondeatlast]

15. I like to think I'm more informed than the average American, and I have no idea

what this is about.

Can someone help a woman out here?

[Bumblebee]

16. here, take your pick

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=iron+my+shirt&btnG=Search+News

[blondeatlast]

21. Ah, thanks. Radio assholes. Figures. Likely they may have helped her more than they hurt her.

And she isn't my candidate, but I despise political theater regardless from where it comes.

[TahitiNut]

20. Well, who says we're superficial in choosing candidates?

Now THIS is a national policy issue of momentous proportions!!! Wow!

:eyes:

[Rock_Garden]

25. I just now watched the video for it.

And I could not believe my ears. That guy's in for a rough ride through this life.

[shain from kane]

27. As I saw somewhere else here, no one asked Barack Obama to "Shine My Shoes".

[Bumblebee]

29. at least something to be grateful for.

[undeterred]

33. She's not my candidate, but "Iron My Shirt" pisses me off enough

to vote for her, and if I were older I would be even angrier. Let the jerk who said it iron shirts in prison.

[HughMoran]

42. NH media

Where? I didn't hear about it and I live up here. I did, however, hear about her getting choked up.

[RC]

44. Even if Hillary did iron my shirt, I still would not vote for her.

I guess that makes me a rabid Hillary hater.

I just wish people could get past her gender and see what Hillary really stands for. She is a Right of Center place holder for 2012.