Anyone listening to Tweety? Notice anything odd about the vote discussion?

[Atman]

Fraud isn't even suggested as a possibility. It's racism, it's sexism, it's all sorts of bullshit...but even given the FACT that one republican operative controls the DRE programming and vote counting in New Hampshire, no one -- NO ONE -- one Chris's show will address the possibility of fraud. Even as Tweety raises his voice and screams about how polls are never this wrong, and that this is the kind of data news people rely upon, not one guest will suggest fraud. Not one.

Oh, wait...major defense contractor General Electric owns MSNBC and pays Tweet's salary. Never mind.

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[Blarch]

1. well..

both him and his guest said the exit polls didn't match for the dems.

[NoQuarter]

17. Actually, last night

(someone on MSNBC) pointed out that the ONLY candidates for which the numbers didn't match were Obama and Clinton.

All the other numbers were spot-on. Both parties.

[librechik]

2. He's been reined in since yesterday--when Chris himself was suggesting hanky panky.

can't have that, you know.

[The Magistrate]

3. That, Sir, Is Because No Fraud Occurred, And No Serious Accusation Of Fraud Is Made

The word 'fraud', remember, means actual tampering with the outcome, not 'an outcome I do not like and did not expect'.

[jgraz]

5. And your verification of that would be...?

:shrug:

[book_worm]

7. and what is your verification of fraud?

The exit polls did match a close democratic race--check out Skinner's thread.

[City Lights]

10. You might want to re-read Skinner's post. He's updated it. eom

[Tuesday_Morning]

12. Check out the update of skinner's thread

UPDATE ADDED 5:00 PM ET, WEDNESDAY:

As you may know, I consider myself to be someone who values accuracy, and try to hold my fellow DUers to high standards of accuracy as well. After considering all the responses to this post, both here in this thread and in my email, and after reading some other material on this subject, I realize that this is one of those times when it is appropriate for me to hold myself to the same high standards that I expect from others.

Since I posted this thread this morning, I have been informed that it is a common practice to adjust or weight exit polls after official election results become available, so that the exit polls match the actual result. I do not know the details about how this weighting is done, and my understanding is that it is not something that is made public. But as some people have correctly pointed out in this thread, the bottom line is that one possible reason why the exit polls matched the actual results of the primary is that they may have been adjusted to match. Which, if it happened in this case, would make my entire argument moot. I would add that we do not know to what extent they were adjusted -- if indeed they were adjusted at all. Some have argued here and elsewhere that they do not appear to have been significantly changed, but I am not in any position to make such a judgment myself.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2639218

[jgraz]

16. Yep. Exit polls are ALWAYS "adjusted" to match results.

Of course, this still leads to glaring discontinuities in the smaller categories. For example, Florida's adjusted exit polls showed a massive shift of Gore2000 voters to Bush2004 (unlikely). Ohio breakdowns also showed Kerry scoring in negative percentages in some demograhpics once the polls had been "fixed".

If ALL of the demographics check out, than it's more than likely that Clinton won fair-and-square. As it stands, only Eugene Robinson has pointed out the suspect result that has a large majority of Democratic voters making up their minds 3 or more days before the election. That doesn't square with a last-minute comeback.


AND... don't you just HATE that we even have to have this conversation? Why the FUCK can't we get transparent elections in this country??? :banghead:

[Atman]

18. "...don't you just HATE that we even have to have this conversation? ..."

Exactly.

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[jgraz]

14. At this point, the burden of proof is on people asserting that our elections are free and fair

We've seen massive, verifiable fraud in 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006 (yes, even with a Democratic win). Why should we assume this year to be any different?

Assuming Hillary actually won, this hurts her more than anyone. Many people will never accept this victory because no one can ever prove it to them.

[rodeodance]

6. thanks for the post--this board needs more like it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Remind me then why folks have gone to JAIL no less for hanky panky

at Cuyahooga OH. Oh and do remind me how THAT fraud was laughed at by many here on DU.

YOU DO KNOW people are in jail, RIGHT?

[The Magistrate]

15. That Was Fraud, Ma'am

Straight-up, flat-out, old-school county court-house skullduggery, and obviously so from the start.

Nothing to do with this....

[Atman]

19. How do you know with such certaintly, Mag?

Don't you get it? The Cuyuhoga fraud cases weren't discovered the very next morning! But here it is, not even 24 hours later, and you've declared a free and clear election. How the hell do you know?

Oh, wait...you must be a Hillary supporter, right? They're the only ones whom I've seen so willing to declare the NH primary to be squeaky clean. For obvious reasons.

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[jgraz]

20. prove it.

You're making some pretty definitive statements based on absolutely no data.

[rusty_parts2001]

4. He's looking for cover

on his egregious, sexist, pathologically vile remarks against Hillary last night. Daily Kos has a good rehash of the remarks and viewer reactions. http://www.dailykos.com/ Look under "Chris Outdoes Himself"

[Tuesday_Morning]

8. It's naive to say that anyone questioning yesterday's results

is simply a case of "sour grapes".

Don't they remember Ohio? Florida? Max Cleland?

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Nope, and worst off many HERE ON DU, don't either

after all the candidate won so even the suggestion that something MIGHT have happened is verbotten

[Emit]

13. Who's the one republican operative that controls the DRE

programming and vote counting in New Hampshire?

[Atman]

21. I don't know how to search for him

It was the subject of several threads here last night. There is one guy in NH, the CEO of LHS I believe, who controls it all. I'd offer you a link, but I don't know how to go about finding it since I have no name or anything to base a search on. I'm sure an astute DUer will give us a link soon enough...

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