Why isn't this AEI "neocon" POS in Prison somewhere, like say The Hague?

[Up2Late]

Isn't there anything we can do to put these AEI idiots in PRISON somewhere? I mean, the barrage of lies this guy, and just about ALL of the Sh*t Heads at AEI spew on a weekly basis is VERY dangerous for our Country and the WORLD in general!

I heard Daniel Schorr mention this POS Joshua Muravchik's letter to "My Fellow Neoconservatives" on NPR today <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7532246>, so I had to find it and post a link to it.

Also, if you doubt that AEI has been pushing the "bomb Iran" crap for awhile, just search the AEI site for the word Iran, and also click on this "resident scholar's" name there too (I don't want to do them any favors by adding any extra links to their site) :grr:

(Link below)

Operation Comeback

By Joshua Muravchik
Posted: Wednesday, November 1, 2006

TO: My Fellow Neoconservatives
FROM: Joshua Muravchik
RE: How to Save the Neocons

We neoconservatives have been through a startling few years. Who could have imagined six years ago that wild stories about our influence over U.S. foreign policy would reach the far corners of the globe? The loose group of us who felt impelled by the antics of the 1960s...

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...Prepare to Bomb Iran.:hi: Make no mistake, President Bush will need to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities before leaving office. It is all but inconceivable that Iran will accept any peaceful inducements to abandon its drive for the bomb. Its rulers are religio-ideological fanatics who will not trade what they believe is their birthright to great power status for a mess of pottage. Even if things in Iraq get better, a nuclear-armed Iran will negate any progress there. Nothing will embolden terrorists and jihadists more than a nuclear-armed Iran.

The global thunder against Bush when he pulls the trigger will be deafening, and it will have many echoes at home. It will be an injection of steroids for organizations such as MoveOn.org. We need to pave the way intellectually now and be prepared to defend the action when it comes. In particular, we need to help people envision what the world would look like with a nuclear-armed Iran. Apart from the dangers of a direct attack on Israel or a suitcase bomb in Washington, it would mean the end of the global nonproliferation regime and the beginning of Iranian dominance in the Middle East....

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...Recruit Joe Lieberman for 2008. Twice in the last quarter-century we had the good fortune to see presidents elected who were sympathetic to our understanding of the world. In 2008, we will have a lot on the line. The policies that we have championed will remain unfinished. The war on terror will still have a long way to go. The Democrats have already shown that they are incurably addicted to appeasement, while the “realists” among the GOP are hoping to undo the legacy of George W. Bush. Sen. John McCain and former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani both look like the kind of leaders who could prosecute the war on terror vigorously and with the kind of innovative thought that realists hate and our country needs. As for vice presidential candidates, how about Condoleezza Rice or even Joe Lieberman? Lieberman says he’s still a Democrat. But there is no place for him in that party....

(more of this tripe at link) <http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.25086,filter.all/pub_detail.asp>

[mmonk]

1. I'll kick and recommend this because it shows

they don't even hide what they are are anymore.

[leftchick]

2. "wild stories about our influence over U.S. foreign policy "???

oh man. :eyes:

Every fucking week someone in the misadministration is over at AEI giving a lecture on terra.

chimpy last week...



President Bush speaks to the American Enterprise Institute about his Administration's 'Global War on Terror' in Washington, February 15, 2007. (Larry Downing/Reuters)

[librechik]

14. meanwhile, in the SAME PIECE they do their best to influence Shrub

and his Iran policy.

They should never have admitted that part of the Neocon philosophy is to puposely lie to "the masses."

Guess that was before we masses had internet access and could check their "facts." Ain't working as well as they hoped. No wonder they were "startled"--

"Huh--you have a defense against us???Hey, that's not fair! We are more powerful than you by nature! Whaa--you discovered our lies???How dare you peons challenge your superiors!!!"

Ouch!

[rfranklin]

3. "Realists" hate their ideas, so that makes them fantasists?

Or is it fetishists, sniffing George Bush's crotch?

[Up2Late]

12. Hey, I like those new terms!

Maybe we (DU) should run with Fantasists, see if it catches on!

[Kindigger]

4. Say what?

The administration made its share of mistakes, and so did we. We were glib about how Iraqis would greet liberation. Did we fail to appreciate sufficiently the depth of Arab bitterness over colonial memories? Did we underestimate the human and societal damage wreaked by decades of totalitarian rule in Iraq? Could things have unfolded differently had our occupation force been large enough to provide security?

One area of neoconservative thought that needs urgent reconsideration is the revolution in military strategy that our neocon hero, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, has championed. This love affair with technology has left our armed forces short on troops and resources, just as our execrable intelligence in Iraq seems traceable, at least in part, to the reliance on machines rather than humans. Our forte is political ideas, not physics or mechanics. We may have seized on a technological fix to spare ourselves the hard slog of fighting for higher defense budgets. Let’s now take up the burden of campaigning for a military force that is large enough and sufficiently well provisioned--however “redundant”--to assure that we will never again get stretched so thin. Let the wonder weapons be the icing on the cake.


",and so did we" ? "Let the wonder weapons be the icing on the cake." ? :scared:

[cali]

5. Because of a little thing called the 1st Amendment

I find your evidently earnest but cavalier attitude about throwing all the AEI guys in prison, only a tiny step up from the hang Murtha crowd.

[conscious evolution]

6. The first amendment is one of the reasons why the OP

said why aren't they in the Hague.While pnac'ers may have protection here for the shit that comes out of their mouths,Advocating and conspiring to commit war crimes is not protected under the Geneva Convention and ICC charter.
Off to the Hague with them!

[H2O Man]

10. The difference between

advocating war and advocating an end to war seems like more than a "tiny step" to me.

[cali]

11. Both are, and should be, covered by the 1st

And advocating throwing someone in the Hague for speech is repugnant, don't you think?

[Up2Late]

13. And yet, we now have the USA PATRIOT ACT that, according to the DOJ website, prohibits...

...this sort of "free speech!"

Check this out: <http://www.lifeandliberty.gov/subs/u_myths.htm>

Dispelling Some of the Major Myths about the USA PATRIOT Act

Myth: The ACLU claims that the Patriot Act "expands terrorism laws to include 'domestic terrorism' which could subject political organizations to surveillance, wiretapping, harassment, and criminal action for political advocacy." They also claim that it includes a "provision that might allow the actions of peaceful groups that dissent from government policy, such as Greenpeace, to be treated as 'domestic terrorism.'" (ACLU, February 11, 2003; ACLU fundraising letter, cited by Stuart Taylor in "UnPATRIOTic," National Journal, August 4, 2003)

Reality: The Patriot Act limits domestic terrorism to conduct that breaks criminal laws, endangering human life. "Peaceful groups that dissent from government policy" without breaking laws cannot be targeted. Peaceful political discourse and dissent is one of America's most cherished freedoms, and is not subject to investigation as domestic terrorism. Under the Patriot Act, the definition of "domestic terrorism" is limited to conduct that (1) violates federal or state criminal law and (2) is dangerous to human life. Therefore, peaceful political organizations engaging in political advocacy will obviously not come under this definition. (Patriot Act, Section 802)

<http://www.lifeandliberty.gov/subs/u_myths.htm>

Note: USA PATRIOT ACT is an acronym for something ridiculous, that's why I keep capitalizing it.

Isn't advocating the pResident violate International Law by starting ANOTHER Illegal, Preemptive War, which is Illegal under International Law and violates the Constitutional requirement to follow and adhere to all International Treaties that our Government has agreed to "...conduct that violates federal...Law..." and "...dangerous to human life..."???

And here are literally the first word from:

Force Is the Only Answer; Diplomacy Has Done Nothing to End Tehran's Nuclear Threat

By Joshua Muravchik
Posted: Monday, November 20, 2006 -- "We must bomb Iran...." <http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.25159/pub_detail.asp>

Does that sound like "...Peaceful political discourse and dissent..." to you?


I'm sure a sharp Lawyer could easily turn several of the vague "new powers" of the USA PATRIOT ACT on these turds, and I would be willing to bet, if these people were NOT where this WH "farmed out" MOST of its Foreign Policy "ideas," too, they would be considered a "domestic terrorist" organization and would probably already "warehoused" at some "black site" prison already.

I say show AEI and the Bush Cabal the true danger of the USA PATRIOT ACT by using it against AEI! That would show them for sure.

[magellan]

7. The AEI spawned PNAC

The father and brother of PNAC co-founders William Kristol and Robert Kagan respectively are listed as "scholars and fellows" of AEI.

Other AEI "scholars and fellows" include Michael Ledeen, Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Lynne Cheney, John Bolton...the list of known and suspected neocons goes on and on.

http://www.aei.org/scholars/filter.all/scholar_byname.asp

So the AEI's neocon bent should come as no surprise to anyone.

re: Lieberman, he is -- or was at last look -- connected with at least one neoconservative think-tank, the Federation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD). As far as I'm concerned, the credibilty of anyone involved with a neocon-ridden NGO is suspect.

[sinkingfeeling]

8. "Our forte is political ideas, not physics or mechanics." No, your forte is

fascism and imperial colonialism. Death and Destruction.

[starroute]

9. Foundation for Democracy in Iran -- 1995

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/3274

FDI functions as a personal project of Kenneth Timmerman, a neoconservative author and journalist who has close connections with both Republicans and Democrats who insist that the Bush administration urgently needs to initiate a clear plan of regime change in Iran that involves funding to Iranian dissidents.

<snip>

Together with Rodman and Muravchik, Timmerman founded the Foundation for Democracy in Iran in 1995. According to Timmerman, FDI “has served as a rallying point for Iranian democrats seeking an end to brutal, clerical rule in Iran, and has helped keep Congress and the public informed of ongoing repression and support for terrorism.”

<snip>

While on the Hill, Timmerman produced a staff report published by the Government Printing Office in October 1993, Iraq Rebuilds its Military Industries. He also prepared reports on Chinese missile proliferation, Iranian WMD programs, and was responsible for coining the term 'rogue regimes,' which has since become the term of art for referring to Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and North Korea.

In 1998 Timmerman offered testimony to the Rumsfeld Missile Defense Commission, addressing the issue of “Rogue States and Ballistic Missiles.” Timmerman boasts that many of his recommendations were incorporated into the commission's final report.

[bvar22]

15. AEI, PNAC, AIPAC, DLC, PPI

The propagandists for the 3rd Reich stood in the dock with the other War Criminals at Nuremberg.
So should the above.


What blows my mind is that people from these organizations are still given air time on the CorpoMedia. They are billed as "experts" though REALITY has proved them persistently WRONG on everything.

In their defense, ALL of the above organizations have been successful at diverting $BILLIONS into the pockets of the already RICH.

[Up2Late]

16. kick n/t

:kick: