David Geffen? Are you kidding me?

[LuckyTheDog]

Why the hell does Hillary Clinton care what David Geffen says about her? For crissakes, if she can't take the heat from FREAKIN' DAVID GEFFEN, then how do we expect her to stand up against the GOP in the fall of 2008?

This whole thing will blow over. But I hope Clinton learns from it. Clinton would have been far better off to ignore what Geffen said. It was beneath her to respond in any way. To have responded as she did made her seem thin-skinned and petty. If asked about his comments, her response should have been: "who cares what he thinks?"

[mmonk]

1. That's the danger one runs of having triangulated so much.

[KharmaTrain]

2. And This Is Even More Triangulation....

Hillary's so scared shit of the Repugnicans she appears to need to open the guns on her own party...trying to re-create Bill's "Sister Soljah Moment"...where she "shows us", the party and, especially her critics, that she is her own person...or more specifically "the boss". Us "libruals" and netroots are to be put in our place.

It amazes me to see how far Hillary goes to try to avoid criticism from her biggest critics...who would never support or vote for her and can't wait for her to make a mis-step...and in the process is alienating many who would have rallied around her...but she's doing her best to piss us off.

[bryant69]

5. It is a wierd contrast

I mean I'm not going to say Republicans never screw their base - they do (and Bush has) but they usually keep it quiet, and hope nobody notices it. They don't do it and then boast about it.

Bryant
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[KharmaTrain]

11. That's Changing

Bryant...the GOOP primary is gonna be as nasty as we've seen in a long time. If anything, the bloodletting on that side will not end on the Convention floor...like most of ours do...but is sure to tear that party apart for years to come. A good example of the restlessness is in the voice of Joe Scarborough these days. Raygun's "never attack another Reupugnican" creedo (which he didn't honor when he went after Ford in '76) works when you win elections...not when you're losing. Last November changed the dynamic in a way we still haven't seen play out...and I still suspect it could manifest into part of the GOOP base splintering off (ala Perot) to either the Liberatarian or another third party next year.

Cheers...

:hi:

[n2doc]

3. It is all about the $$$

She is scared that others will follow Geffen's lead and give money to the other candidates. So by attacking him now, she sends a message "If you don't play ball with me, I will pull a Rove on your A**". Given how image driven Hollywood is, I suspect this will be effective.

[papau]

10. more than dollars - Geffen is a very well known liberal - and he came off a meeting with Obama to

do the attack.

Indeed the initial media reaction noted that - before the media went into Obama strong/Clinton lost it mode.

[Saturday]

4. I think the swiftboating of Kerry....

has all of our candidates on the defensive. I heard on a talk show (can't remember which one) that her strategy was to IMMEDIATELY give a comeback to any swiftboating tactics. Looks like she's doing that and I agree with it.

[cali]

7. swiftboating tactics? So you actually believe

that the Obama campaign directed or coached Geffen to say these things? That's a huge stretch, and if they didn't, it's certainly NOT swiftboating.

[Saturday]

9. No, I don't think Obama had anything to do with it.

What I meant was that any negative comments need to be confronted immediately no matter who says them. In this case my opinion is that it was Geffen's opinion alone. Unfortunately it turned into a Dem vs. Dem item.

[CTyankee]

14. Do you think Geffen has inside information about Bill's indiscretions?

Is he trying to "save" the Dem Party from a merciless attack on Hillary via Bill's private sins?

The question then becomes whether Bill's sex life would be enough to sink Hillary's chances to be president if she wins the nomination in 08. You can put easy money on the repubs oppo research focused on Bill. But will the voters (all except the fundie base) be persuaded not to vote Dem because of it?

Interesting question. I don't know the answer. I am attracted by the idea of Al Gore stepping forward to lead after 8 years of the Republican disaster. He and probably WEs Clark could form a mighty ticket.

[Liberal In Texas]

18. Heard that too. I believe it was from her campaign mgr. on a local NPR program.

(Heard a part of it the other day...can't remember his name off the top of my head...)

He said he learned the lesson after Kerry AND Gore didn't respond to the "swiftboating" with a fast counterattack. That this is one of the big reasons Gore or Kerry aren't president, and he isn't going to make that mistake again.

The man was really dynamic in the interview, he said he is convinced she is going to be the next president. Hillary, it seems, has one heck of a machine.

I agree with this tactic too.

[Sherman A1]

6. Just a question on this

Has the Obama or any other Dem campaign come out and said what they think Hillary out to do in a particular situation? I admit to not following every comment of every campaign right now. It just seems from what I am seeing that Hillary seems to be very willing to offer "advice and direction" to the others particularly Obama without being asked to do so.

[AlCzervik]

8. it's the loss of the money Geffen would have raised for her, thats all.

[MadHound]

13. It's not just the loss of Geffen's money

But it is also the loss of future revenue, for Geffen can sway a lot of the Hollywood big money donors.

I also think that this is also a diversionary tactic, get people talking about Hil and Geffen rather than Clinton's abysmal, unexcusable record on the war.

[SoFlaJet]

12. She's like a spoiled child

that's what she seems like to me, the rich kid who feels everything is owed her.We already went through the George W. Bush entitlement program and look how that worked out for us.And you know to the people who are going to respond about the anti-Hillary postings here, and at the Huffington Post;there is no agenda being followed-just our hearts..and sorry but Hillary just ain't in most dems hearts.We don't want her to be the democratic nominee...

[TomClash]

15. Geffen bridges two islands of Democratic financial support

Lesbians/gays and Hollywood. It's a zero sum game.

[GeorgeGist]

16. No kidding ...

as a former friend, David's telling the truth about Bill and Hillary struck a nerve. Pay attention you might learn something useful.

[cool user name]

17. Hillary needs to go away ...

... far, far away. Give her an island to rule. I'll be happy and she'll be happy.

[comradebillyboy]

19. so Hillary should emulate Kerry's sucessful strategy

and ignore ugly personal smears against her and Bill Clinton? Why should she be silent when a prominent supporter of her opponent publicly maligns her? Are the Obama supporters pissed because she fights back when one of Obama's surrogates smears her and the Big Dog?

[LuckyTheDog]

20. Ugly personal smears?

It was DAVID GEFFEN for crissakes. And, the statement really was not even that harsh.

If Clinton and Obama get in the business of asking the other to return the money of anyone who says something harsh... well, that would be a waste of time for both of them.