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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 09:51 AM Original message |
Beg pardon? |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
1. Bet the mortgage on a pardon |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. You might be right. |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
74. Okay, kingofalldems, I don't want your mortgage |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. You're on |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-23-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
99. If convicted |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
3. I Don't Think Libbert Will Be Pardoned |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:19 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Libby's lying |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. It seems that Libby has been thrown under the bus by the WH |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:31 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. It could be |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
54. He's Also Pretty Pissed Off At Libby And The Defense Team |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-23-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #12 |
100. That is good news! Now he has to get convicted first. |
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ms liberty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
4. 5th Rec - get thee to the Greatest Page! |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. I think it is |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
42. That is why I don't think Bush will pardon Libby. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:14 AM Original message |
A couple of other (variants?) ... |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
6. A2 |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:31 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Wishful thinking....when faced with jail time, Scooter becomes great pals with Fitz. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. One thing to |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
11. What about just plain old resentment towards Cheney? |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. That's complicated, I think. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I agree. n/t |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. You're right, he has to constantly reaffirm his existance. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Well ... |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-23-07 08:15 AM Response to Reply #19 |
97. I agree. Nice dissection th boosh brain, nt |
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ewagner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
59. a2.... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. I think that |
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SlowDownFast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
5. K&R. |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
8. H20 Man you've simplied this multi-faceted case! K&R |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. There are some |
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Horseradish (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
44. The Father/Son Point ... |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
49. That's a definite possibility.....are you assuming Cheney is the |
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Horseradish (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. W is Father-Figure |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. To confuse the issue even further... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Cheney had to have |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
9. Hey Waterman. The smart move is to not pardon him |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #9 |
24. Old predictions. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. That's the beauty of trials...the new that comes out |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
55. kick.... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
14. Reason # 8 for NO pardon |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #14 |
25. In the period |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
56. What if Libby and Bush have worked out a deal? |
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NV Whino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
16. Excellent examination of the possibilities |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #16 |
27. That's a huge reason. |
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Annces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
20. My guess is unless there are serious risks for Bush |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Incarceration |
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speedoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
22. K&R... thanks H2O Man.. will Libby EVER cooperate with Fitz? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Right. |
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Beausoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
23. Thank you, as usual, for your excellent post. I don't think there will be a pardon. |
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evilkumquat (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-23-07 01:19 AM Response to Reply #23 |
90. Excellent Point! Katherine Harris is a Good Example |
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Little Wing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
28. Bush is the kind of guy who will sell his co-conspirator up the river in the name |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
32. Bush will pardon Libby IF he is convicted by this jury because.... |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
33. Other possibilities |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
35. K&R! |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
36. Thank you, H2O Man for the concise breakdown |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
37. one thing that sticks in my gut..Fitz would offer a deal before sentencing.. |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
38. Two questions: |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. All Reports I've Heard Have Said Up To 30 Years |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. from what i understand ..he could get 30 years for all counts..but..... |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. It Would Be For A Combined Total |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. That is the max... |
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meldroc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
41. A pardon is not certain... |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
43. I see something of a Catch-22 here |
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Annces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. If this were the mafia, they would put a hit on Libby |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Even that has its risks now that the trial has occurred |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. This Is One Situation Where Hubris Caught Them By The Neck |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. The Administration made soooo many mistakes with the Plame leak |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Yup, the initial and fatal mistake was trusting Ashy to make this go away |
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Horseradish (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Their second mistake was trusting that the press ... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. I think it is |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
51. Great post H2O man |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
60. Very interesting read! |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. I read a few |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
79. I agree, Fitzgerald used ONLY what was needed to prosecute |
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Ishoutandscream2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
63. This whole thread has been one of the most fascinating |
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catmandu57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
67. I think libby is a dead man walking |
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La_Fourmi_Rouge (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
68. Thanks for the Hundredth time, H2O. Question: |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. I would not expect |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
69. Interesting Thought From Swopa @ FDL |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. I think that |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
72. Libby's going to take the fall, and he won't be pardoned |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
73. FITZ! |
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milkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
75. Bush went to war to show up his father. Now he'll let Libby hang to show up Cheney. |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
76. Simplifying further |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
77. How to make sure Libby isn't pardoned.... |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
78. What makes you think he'll be convicted? |
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Contrary1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
80. (11) It will be much easier for the Scooter |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
81. Question regarding pardons + losing the right to take the fifth: |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
82. Reason 9 for NO pardon. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. #9 |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
84. I'm thinking pardon |
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Samantha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
86. I think you have written an excellent thread BUT |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I think that |
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TacticalPeek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-23-07 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
88. President Pelosi will pardon Libby |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-23-07 07:03 AM Response to Reply #88 |
93. Good One |
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live love laugh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-23-07 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
89. And when he does pardon Libby, it will go over most peoples' heads |
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Patrick J Fitzgerald (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-23-07 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
91. Too Soon For Talks Of Pardons, Son... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-23-07 04:24 AM Response to Original message |
92. I've been thinking about this. I can't seem to come to |
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ClayZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-23-07 07:22 AM Response to Original message |
94. Thanks again, H2O Man...K and R |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-23-07 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
95. Will a pardon stop Plame-Wilson from pursuing a civil recourse? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-23-07 08:11 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. No. n/t |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-23-07 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
98. Presidential Pardon |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-23-07 10:19 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. No conviction |
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