So Hillary is ambitious, what's wrong with that?

[Sapere aude]

I heard some right wing news about Obama vs Hillary which was mostly bull shit but one line was something like this.
"Hillary Clinton is the most ambitious person running for president." It was said in a negative condescending manor.

Now isn't being ambitious one of the right "wing pull your self up by your own boot straps" themes? Sort of anti welfare queen thinking.

So how does the fact that Hillary is ambitious become a negative?

I know, women are not supposed to be ambitious, only men. That's all I can think of.

[cali]

1. Nothing wrong with it and it's

sexist. I have no use for Clinton, but that's a bullshit criticism.

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Nothing At All Wrong With Being Ambitious

Being a triangulating shill for the Predator Class is something else again.

[BeyondGeography]

3. Everyone running for President is ambitious

Next?

[SharonAnn]

13. Obama's not ambitious? Biden? Richardson? Dodd? etc.

[Cerridwen]

4. It isn't "lady like". Yep, as you said - double standard.

Only male sharks are allowed to successfully "swim with the sharks".

edit to add: and if you think politics ain't swimmin' with the sharks, I've got some ocean front property in Las Vegas, NV I'd like to sell to you.

[maxsolomon]

5. every politician is ambitious

its not about the ambition.

[BlooInBloo]

6. I have no problem with that....

... I do have a problem with her Lieberman-esque approach to campaigning. Oh well, at least she'll get jackassfucktard Connecticut's vote.

[no_hypocrisy]

7. "Ambitious" morphs into Lady MacBeth when the campaign

takes a turn that incorporates winning at any cost. (You didn't think that Karl Rove cornered the market on "no prisoners", did you?)

[rodeodance]

8. women with ambition get a lot of Dissing! OK for the man to have it.

[MannyGoldstein]

9. Can You Point to An Actual Example

Where Mrs. Clinton's unbridled ambition is pointed to as a negative?

[MannyGoldstein]

Self-Delete

[Cerridwen]

15. Here's one after a quick google...

"I don't think that another incredibly polarising figure, no matter how smart she is, and no matter how ambitious she is - and God knows, is there anybody more ambitious than Hillary Clinton? - can bring the country together," Mr Geffen said. link

One of the more recent examples and I didn't even have to look in the rw blogosphere. How sad is that?

edit to add: The Onion has a better "snark" about it than I ever could. :D

[MannyGoldstein]

19. 'Ambition' is a POSITIVE in That Example, I Think

Unless I'm missing something, he's linking smart and ambitious - and saying that despite these positives, Mrs. Clinton is untenable. Not because she is smart and ambitious.

[Cerridwen]

23. MMkay - I can tell now you and I aren't going to agree on this.

So, rather than get caught up in a 'he said, she said' kind of thing - I'll leave you with the 'win'.

[Sapere aude]

24. I heard it on 760 AM radio from San Diego, CA yesterday at approximately 6:PM while driving home

from work. 760 AM is an all day right wing talk station. Their news reports take a right wing slant and the one I heard was more like propaganda in the Hillary vs Obama vein. They made a comment that sounded condescending to me that Hillary was the most ambitious person to run for president. It is similar to the charge that a person will do anything to win.

[Annces]

10. People want to keep women down

Often they are not aware of their own prejudice. I have seen decent type men put her down and my own Mother thought she shouldn't run, which I attribute to jealousy.

[Norquist Nemesis]

11. Ah, well, the term is a little too easy to mis-speak

don't you think?

Anyone who has worked hard to be successful and reach their goals is "ambitious". I won't be listening to Faux for the slip of the tongue when they say 'am-bitchus' though.

[The2ndWheel]

12. Other than

destroying the habitat, killing those who stood in the way of expanding centers of power, and the overall goal of perfecting life to the point where it's artificial, there isn't much wrong with ambition.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

14. Ambition should be made of sterner stuff

Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him;
The evil that men do lives after them,
The good is oft interréd with their bones,
So let it be with Caesar…. The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answered it….
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest,
(For Brutus is an honourable man;
So are they all; all honourable men)
Come I to speak in Caesar's funeral….
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man….
He hath brought many captives home to Rome,
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
Did this in Caesar seem ambitious?
When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the Lupercal
I thrice presented him a kingly crown,
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then to mourn for him?
O judgement! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason…. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Caesar,
And I must pause till it come back to me.

[Tyo]

16. The Right is being just a little selective here

They didn't have this problem with Maggie T, did they?

[treestar]

17. Or Condiliar

It is amazing the blatant double standards the RW uses.

[waiting for hope]

18. Ambtitious....

that goes hand in hand with having to have a butt load of money - every Presidential candidate needs a few set points of criteria in order to make it through the selection process. I found this comment on par with Edwards' house situation.

[Cha]

20. Stepping over Dead and Wounded USA Soldiers

and Dead and Wounded Iraqis is beyond "ambitious".

[Balbus]

21. Bright, ambitious women are viewed as a threat to a lot of people.

It's unfortunate, but true nonetheless.

[ieoeja]

22. I am anti-Hillary, but this is bullshit.

I'd sure like to know how many unambitious people they think are running for president. And what makes her "more" ambitious than any of the others? Unless she is planning to use this to create an entire industry to enrich herself in the future, e.g. privatizing DOD functions while founding/buying companies that handle military functions, then she's just a fucking amateur compared to a certain other American dynasty.

This attack on Hillary is just pure bullshit.

[brentspeak]

25. Nothing wrong. She's just a terrible possible choice as the Dem nominee, that's all.