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Jeremy of Kansas Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:39 AM
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The Hillary hating on DU bothers me.

This is not Free Republic. We don't actively ban people who don't support our candidates, we don't tell people to stop talking or face punishment if they don't support the people we do. Yet I am seeing some of the nastiest stuff flung at people, supporters of all candidates, every which way. Most if it, to be absolutely truthful and frank, is directed at Hillary supporters and its not right. I find it disgusting, and beneath us.

Does anyone else even feel the same way? It's really bothering me.

- Jeremy of Kansas
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:43 AM
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1. I just don't think the supporters of any candidate can claim they are the most put upon...
...there's simply no way to measure that right now.

I saw a similar post to yours earlier, except it said most of the viciousness was directed at Obama and his camp...

...as an Obama supporter, it made me feel a gratified, but in the end I posted pretty much the same response I'm posting right now.

No, make no mistake, it's coming from the supporters of all four candidates directed AT the supporters of all four candidates, and it's all been pretty fast and furious.

No one camp can claim the high road after this...
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:45 AM
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5. You're kidding, right?
Far as I can tell, most of the Edwards and Kucinich supporters have stayed out of the fray, other than to point out it's not serving our interests very well. But, hey, if the fingers are flying around, I suppose everyone gets a turn.
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Jeremy of Kansas Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:47 AM
Response to Reply #5
7. Have to agree...
The hate is coming most monstrously from Obama supporters.

- Jeremy of Kansas
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:53 AM
Response to Reply #7
15. Well, I disagree...
...but I think, to a certain extent, we all see what we want to see...
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:57 AM
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19. That's certainly true.
I think both sides MIGHT have valid points.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:15 AM
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72. That is ABSURD.
And obviously coming from a Hillary-supporter perspective.

The unwritten rule for many DUers, it seems, is that if you criticize ANYTHING Clinton does, not matter what it is, you're a "hater." It's ridiculous, and that kind of bullshit stifles honest discussion.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:48 AM
Response to Reply #5
8. Take another look
One person, in particular, posts everything he can find to rile up racial division because he thinks it will benefit Edwards. Don't assume attacks are made on one come from the supporters of the other. It is just not true.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:55 AM
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17. Hmm. It might be someone I have on ignore.
I don't approve and I'm willing to bet Edwards wouldn't.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:57 AM
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20. It's not just one
I have nearly 80 people on ignore right now and there are STILL these posts to wade through. People can get mad at me for not liking Hillary, but I'm not out making posts for the pure purpose of stirring up shit.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:00 AM
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23. Most of the Edwards supporters are posting pro-Edwards stuff...
Not anti-Hillary or anti-Obama stuff...and those who do, like myself, are either taking a break from it for the time being, or sticking exclusively to the real issues.

If there are Edwards supporters getting involved in this crap, I'd like to see links to the threads.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:13 AM
Response to Reply #23
30. Unfortunately, you can't call out DUers
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 05:17 AM by sandnsea
But they're there. Again, take a second look when you see the attack treads. Don't jump to conclusions.

On Edit:

But since it's in this thread, you can take a very close look because there's an Edwards supporter in here expressing some animosity towards Hillary.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:19 AM
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34. Near as I can tell, I'm the only Edwards supporter in this thread...n/t
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:21 AM
Response to Reply #34
36. well,
I don't believe you are, but regardless, I know that there are rankling remarks that did not come from an Obama supporter.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:25 AM
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38. Let's just say no one on this thread
is immediately recognizable as someone who posts on pro-Edwards threads as a supporter, or posts pro-Edwards threads of his/her own.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:27 AM
Response to Reply #38
42. Fair enough, and
let's also say someone on this thread is not recognizeable to me as someone who posts as an Obama supporter, but he sure doesn't like Hillary.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:37 AM
Response to Reply #42
43. Also fair enough.
Though there are still a few candidates and former candidates some people haven't been able to let go of.

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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:44 AM
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2. Welcome to DU, Jeremy.
It's become deeply personal for a lot of people here. I've posted my point of view about the whole thing, that we gain nothing if no one is willing to admit that the other side has a valid p.o.v. themselves.

Not that anyone cares what an Edwards supporter like myself has to say about it all, apparently.

:shrug:
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Jeremy of Kansas Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:45 AM
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4. Edwards! HA U SUCK! j/k.

I hear you. It's just saddening. I want people to realize that we should treat everyone with respect and some people believe in their candidate as strongly as you believe in yours.

- Jeremy of Kansas
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:26 AM
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40. I don't respect people who co-sponsor and/or vote for illegal invasions
PERIOD
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:38 AM
Response to Reply #40
44. And I don't respect people who think they're perfect. n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:43 AM
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46. I don't think I'm perfect
how does thinking someone has lots of blood on their hands make me perfect?
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:57 AM
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49. Some might say we ALL have blood on our hands.
That by getting up and going to work every day and not dedicating our lives to protesting the war, we're enabling it.

Some might say.

I refuse to act as though an error in judgment condemns a person for all time and a person can't learn from their mistakes and find redemption by repudiating those mistakes and working for something better.

There's only ONE politician in this whole deal at this point who's completely clean, and he has about as much chance of winning the nomination, not to mention the GE, as Albert Einstein. Therefore the choice is between the politicians who chose to authorize the war in the first place or those who chose to continue authorizing it after it was already going.

The War is a symptom of a more pressing problem back here at home--the fact that certain corporations and the military-industrial complex in particular--are all but running our government and the rest of us are getting screwed six ways from Sunday. As, to be sure, are the Iraqis and our soldiers themselves.

This shit has to stop. And the only way we'll EVER get to stop it is for the People to be confronted with the truth about what's going on and how this really came to pass. Obama doesn't seem to want to talk about it, Hillary sure as hell isn't going to talk about it, and no one is even listening to Kucinich. Which leaves Edwards, who hasn't hit on it directly, but damn sure has been drawing a circle around it.

Better than nothing, in my book.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:17 AM
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56. it looks like by supporting people who supported the invasion
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 06:21 AM by Skittles
DUers have forgotten the war too. The sad fact is most DUers are supporting the candidates the CONSERVATIVE CORPORATE MAINSTREAM MEDIA PICKED AS THE FRONTRUNNERS. And by the way - every day - EVERY DAY - I send a postcard or package to Iraq or Afghanistan (I have kept a list of their names) and I constantly write letters to the editor and calling Washington.....so no I am not perfect BUT I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #56
99. For a fucking zoomie, you're OK.
Seriously, even when we disagree, I love your honesty, your passion, and your willingness to get in there and KICK SOME ASS.

:patriot:

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:45 AM
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3. Unfortunately, the actions and words from her campaign aren't
helping. And the Obama hate in GDP is as pronounced as the Hillary hate. I've long defended her against bullshit attacks. I rarely see the Clinton supporters returning the favor. If you're bothered by the Hillary hate you should also be bothered by the hate of Hillary supporters toward Obama and his supporters.
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Jeremy of Kansas Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:46 AM
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6. The controversy and stuff is being mis-used.

I mean to say that I don't buy the Obama campaigns response on the statements made about him. Trying to say she's attacking blacks in any ways is dishonest. That whole thing is a bunch of smoke in my personal opinion.

That being said I have no hate directed at Obama supporters, I'd just rather have Hillary.

- Jeremy of Kansas
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:49 AM
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10. Maybe if you had the full context
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:52 AM
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14. LOL!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:01 AM
Response to Reply #6
26. Just as I don't trust word one coming from the Clinton campaign on this
mess. There is absolutely no doubt that this imbroglio started from the Clinton campaign. Shaheen, Penn, emails in Iowa, Cuomo, Kerrey. It all adds up. And when I see you defending obama against bullshit attacks, you'll gain some credibility from me.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:05 AM
Response to Reply #26
27. Oh, so now Kerry's a racist too?
This is getting pretty deep.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:06 AM
Response to Reply #27
28. Which Kerrey/Kerry is Cali referring to?
:shrug:
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:09 AM
Response to Reply #28
29. Hell if I know.
I was thinking it was a typo, but I could be wrong.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:14 AM
Response to Reply #29
31. Bob Kerrey of Nebraska
He endorsed Hillary and immediately started praising Obama for his Muslim background.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:17 AM
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32. Thanks...
Didn't catch that.

Praising him for his muslim background?

I'm utterly baffled by this.

What the hell is going on?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:19 AM
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35. Here's the quote
“It’s probably not something that appeals to him, but I like the fact that his name is Barack Hussein Obama, and that his father was a Muslim and that his paternal grandmother is a Muslim. There’s a billion people on the planet that are Muslims, and I think that experience is a big deal.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/17/kerrey-tries-to-explain-obama-muslim-remarks/

There has been crap coming out of that campaign on almost a daily basis.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:24 AM
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37. Hmm...
You're right. That doesn't pass the smell test.

Was it absolutely necessary to bring up his full name? I question Kerrey's motives.

My problem with throwing all of this at Hillary's feet is that I think she's too damn smart to be this blatant. There's a quote (whether it's a true one I don't know, but it rings true to me and not necessarily in a negative way) about "leaving fingerprints."

This whole thing strikes me as extremely destructive to BOTH candidates if it continues very long. Hell, I think it may have gone on too long already.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:26 AM
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39. How many times does it have to happen?
I haven't counted, but we're probably near ten incidents since Iowa. Do you realize that?
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:39 AM
Response to Reply #39
45. Then it's a pattern
though the source of it is still open to debate.

There's no evidence to suggest that it's Hillary's "will someone not rid me of this troublesome priest" moment.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:47 AM
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47. No, she hasn't admitted to voter supression either
Even though her campaign was complaining about students voting in Iowa, even though the Dem Party has always fought to allow students to vote in their college precincts.

And she hasn't admitted to being behind the Nevada law suit to stop caucuses to help shift workers to vote, even though she complained about shift workers being disenfranchised in Iowa.

And she hasn't admitted that her campaign kept Obama's GOTV workers from NH precincts, pretending their presence was against the law when it wasn't.

No, she hasn't admitted to any of it, so I guess we just have to pretend we don't know what could possibly be going on in the Clinton campaign.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:01 AM
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51. The first one is an issue.
The second, well, maybe she hasn't "admitted" to it because she isn't guilty of it. Or maybe she is and isn't talking. We don't know. Conjecture doesn't prove anything.

There are a lot of her people who seem to be going all loose cannon lately, which doesn't look good for her either way you slice it. Either she's REALLY in control and doesn't mind leaving fingerprints all over the place, or she can't control her people.

These aren't positive traits.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:12 AM
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53. It's the trend,
Individually, some of this stuff isn't particularly disturbing. Taken as a whole, it's a pattern. Rev Clyburne is the one who said she should be more careful with her words, and she accused Rev Clyburne of working for the Obama campaign to smear her. She said it.

She sat right next to BET's Johnson as he made his remarks about Obama in the neighborhood, haha, and didn't say a word. Again, she was right there.

It can all be dismissed as just ugly campaigning, until you start getting into voter suppression and that is exactly what is happening in NV. The Party agreed on the at-large caucus according to the procedures of NV state law. There was no problem until she didn't get the culinary endorsement, then the teachers union sued, and the head of the teachers union has endorsed Hillary. The law suit is handled by a firm of another endorser of Hillary.

I am at a point of not understanding what it will take for people to see. I don't know why they are doing some of this stuff, maybe they always did and we never noticed, or maye they never got caught, I've got no idea. I lived in Arkansas, my sister and brother are still there, and I've never heard this stuff. I don't know what is going on.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:14 AM
Response to Reply #53
55. It's like a scorched earth campaign...
It may do damage to Obama, but it'll end up hurting her too. That's why it doesn't make any damn sense.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:18 AM
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57. It truly doesn't
Forgetting my dislike of her, and I'm honestly able to do that, I just look at the campaign with my jaw on the floor. I cannot believe what I'm seeing and hearing most days. Then you add the whole changing of images, changing of voices, it's just bizarre. I had hoped bringing in new people would get it back on track. There's a good chance we're going to have her as the nominee. Can you imagine if she tries running this kind of campaign in the GE? They will tear her apart.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:27 AM
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41. No. I've called no one a racist- ever
and I think it's very disturbing that you'd put words in my mouth. Sadly, I'm not surprised. I was referring to Bob Kerrey not John Kerry. Senator Kerrey made repeated comments about Barack Hussein Obama. He wrote a letter of apology. I am not suggesting he's a racist. I am suggesting it was completely unnecessary for him to stress Obama's middle name when purportedly praising him.

Thanks for falsely accusing me of calling anyone a racist. Charming from someone who constantly claims the high ground. Oh, and there are plenty of Edwards supporters slamming both Clinton and Obama. Plenty of them. I'm only sorry I can't call them out.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:06 AM
Response to Reply #41
52. I was asking a question.
I had it answered long before you returned. I thought it was a typo.

And, yeah, if you read above, I agree that the name thing was really screwy.

I'm not liking a lot of what I'm hearing.


But when it comes down to it, I'm really disappointed in DUers who don't want to give one anothers' points-of-view in this matter the benefit of the doubt. It's beginning to look to me like BOTH campaigns are being sabotaged in a two-birds-with-one-stone gambit. Clinton supporters are throwing mud and behaving in totally disreputable fashion, which doesn't reflect well on HER, and Obama is taking some hits that may well hurt him in the future.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #27
69. She's referring to Bob Kerrey, not John Kerry.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jw9LxLiKitL3w_Vmj9UvflHDyFlQD8TL2LJG0

Former Nebraska Sen. Bob Kerrey has apologized to Barack Obama for any unintentional insult he committed by raising the Democratic presidential candidate's Muslim heritage while endorsing rival candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Kerrey sent a letter to Obama on Wednesday, lauding the Illinois senator's qualifications to be president and saying that he never meant to harm his candidacy. Kerrey told The Associated Press in a telephone interview that he sent the letter on his own and had not spoken to Clinton or her campaign about the comments he made Sunday in Iowa.

"What I found myself getting into in Iowa — and it was my own fault — it was the wrong moment to do it and it was insulting," Kerrey told the AP. "I meant no disrespect at all."

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the senator accepted Kerrey's apology, sent to the campaign in the mail and via e-mail.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:48 AM
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9. You want "hating"? Read half the threads on Dennis!
If you're candidate is the media designated frontrunner (which is the only reason the superdelegates have her in the lead) you have to expect that kind of thing. It's just part of the process.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:56 AM
Response to Reply #9
18. I hit on something a few months ago
where some atheists on DU were spewing serious hate at Dennis for his "woo" beliefs.

I'm not sure why anyone would hate Dennis. He's a good man, but, in my opinion, not necessarily a good candidate.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #9
108. No kidding
The derision and hate on Kucinich I think beats out anything that Hillary had to put up with.

Honestly, she got a free press ride to the front with two years of "will she run" coverage by the mainstream media. I doubt any other candidate would turn that down even if it did come with having to deal with negativity from detractors. And what has she done to it? Hitched to the right wing of the Democratic party and played it safe.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:50 AM
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11. It's not just here. Media Matters proved it's all over -- especially the MSM
http://mediamatters.org/

Brock's website is full of stories showing proven bias against Hillary on the part of just about every mainstream media outlet. The MSM hate her. The fundamentalist conservatives hate her. And a lot of people here at DU hate her.

Birds of a feather hate together?
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:51 AM
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12. I hate the way she hates us too.
It's almost enough to make me not vote for her in the general. Almost.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:51 AM
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13. Welcome to DU.
So you've never been here in primary season?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:53 AM
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16. You are joining this site at high primary season, Jeremy, and here is a welcome
to you, warm and sincere.

The timing of your first few points arguing for fair consideration and treatment of others' candidates is complicated by photographic evidence which several of us have in our possession of Senator Clinton having sexual congress with circus animals, John Edwards running smack through a Laredo, Texas bordello, and Barack Obama's having fathered a three-headed white baby prior to abandoning it in a corporate dumpster.

But good luck all the same, and welcome to the site.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:58 AM
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21. People who post OP's accusing members of being 'haters' are the trouble makers, imho.
All the candidates have been praised and vilified more some weeks, less others.

I think it's been pretty equal except for the term 'Hillary Haters'.

That's just juvenile.



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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:58 AM
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22. Jeremy, I would hate to call a new poster a hypocrite right out of the gate....
...even an obvious employee of the DLC, such as yourself. But let's get real, my friend.

You start a thread complaining about "Hillary hating" and then turn around immediately and post this in another thread, regarding Dennis Kucinich being deliberately excluded from corporate media debates....

And you know what? Good.


We may all like him, he may support the things we like but still, this man is polling at or under 2%. He's not getting elected and won't get a single delegate. So lets concentrate on the candidates who will be nominated and who will be in the general electing. Let's concentrate on giving face time to our candidates who will be running for the votes of all America.

And not some man, who will NEVER get more then 1 delegate(I don't think he has even that), and who by all appearances looks like he shouldn't be debating and destroying a ring somewhere.

- Jeremy of Kansas


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2667357&mesg_id=2678358

Insert favorite "stone throwing" metaphors here..........
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:00 AM
Response to Reply #22
24. If the shoe fits....
Go ahead and say it, Kucinich4America! :rofl:

Good find!
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:01 AM
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25. Well...that's disturbing.
"Destroying a ring somewhere?"

Pretty foul.

Besides--Frodo failed. Bush has the ring.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:17 AM
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33. I don't regard this post as Kucinich-hating.
I thought it was honest and well-phrased.

Some of the Clinton haters seem to think exactly like repukes: If you repeat something enough times, it becomes true. (Hillary is a racist. Hillary is a racist. Hillary is a racist...).

I agree with Jeremy. Most of the hate here is directed and Clinton, and started by Obama supporters.

I live in Obama's state. I was never prouder to work for a Senate candidate. And my state has a history of great senators!

Several of my fellow Ogle County Democratic Committee members went to Iowa to work for Obama. Many of the people in leadership positions around my area are working for him here and elsewhere. They have NOT been acting like the Obama supporters on DU.

I am putting people on ignore, too. I did it during the last primary season as well. All I can say is that I wish some of the people here would get out into the real world and work for their chosen candidate. If they did that, they would not have energy left for all this sniping.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:57 AM
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48. So insults are OK with you?
:shrug:
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:03 AM
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70. That's ridiculous
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 11:03 AM by HughMoran
If you think that reasonable critique of Kucinich's chances is in any way equivalent to the 30 threads yesterday alone I had to hide bashing Hillary, they you are surely a massive hypocrite. I hid all bashing posts and there were only 6 bashing Obama, so let's get the scale of things correct here.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:40 PM
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90. Nice catch. I'll consider our new friend's CONCERNS to be "duly noted". Thanks!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:31 PM
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:44 PM
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91. he's not as new as all that
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=153x6338

Perhaps forgot his password or something. I don't think he works for the DLC either. At least I know him as a college student, not that my vouching for anybody is likely to be useful, obvious troll that I am.

Ironically, almost the last time I spoke with him was after a debate watch party, and the waitress said she kinda liked Kucinich, but seemed embarrassed by it, like there was something ridiculous about supporting DK.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:29 PM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:34 PM
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:40 PM
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103. "Lost password" doesn't really explain the TOMBSTONE on your last account.
:shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:47 PM
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:13 PM
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106. Then what was the "lost password" claim about? You don't seem to be keeping your story straight here
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:59 AM
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50. It depends on the day and hour, per which candidate/supporters
are at the receiving end of a massive pile-on of negative threads. It happens to Obama as well, and to Edwards (though less now that the other two candidates have won a primary and Edwards has not).
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:12 AM
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54. "The Bush-hating on DU bothers me"...
:eyes:

As I said it before: you can't have it both ways. You can't get annoyed when Republicans dismiss our very valid criticisms of the administration as simply "irrational Bush-hatred," then, when other DUers express their equally-valid criticisms of Senator Clinton record and proposals, likewise dismiss it as "irrational Hillary-hating."

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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:23 AM
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58. In my case is CORPORATE HATING nt
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:50 AM
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62. You got it
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:28 AM
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59. The Hillary haters are people with weak personalities who have internalized the media slime.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:41 AM
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60. It's all violin playing. "bush bashers" "clinton bashers" etc. it's
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 06:42 AM by deacon
childish media imposed rhetoric. Anytime the word "basher" is used it makes that person that disagrees with you convientently labeled an extreme individual cemented into extremist positions. This game is worn out.

This works exactly the same with "(fill in the blank) haters"
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:39 AM
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61. You know what bothers me? People that stick their heads in the sand & ignore that Hillary
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 08:40 AM by TheGoldenRule
& Obama are corporatists. They have taken millions and millions from corporate interests.

That fact should matter more than anything!

Wake up ya'll-that money CANCELS YOU & YOUR RIGHTS OUT!!! :argh:
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:51 AM
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63. nail? meet hammer.
you got that right.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:53 AM
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64. I support Edwards and I don't like the level of Hillary attacks
I expect Edwards will become their next target.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:58 AM
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68. agree, but only if Edwards begins to get more votes
And, it makes me uncomfortable when Edwards ventures close to the mudslinging that is based on misinterpretation of comments or comments taken out of context. I wish he would stay entirely out of it.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:54 AM
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65. The hateful things some of her supporters say bother me. n/t
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:57 AM
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66. I love being lectured about the state of DU by someone who's just arrived.
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 10:58 AM by Stephanie
:eyes:

If it bothers you so much, there are forums here > http://hillaryclinton.com/blog/
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:12 AM
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71. newness doesn't eliminate the ability to see obviousness
The snide inclusion of the link to the Hillary blogs shows the irony of you post!

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:18 AM
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73. The whining of the Clintons supporters makes me think they'd only be happy there.
Because the first word of disagreement makes them run off screaming BASHER. It's tiresome.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:36 AM
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75. You may be exaggerating a little bit
I have hidden posts that I deem more or less Freeper posts as they are short of facts and long on unsubstantiated character assassination. I hide all posts of this type as I do not want to see this tripe - and as I've stated previously, I gave $100 to both Obama and Hillary after the NH primary - I am happy with either candidate. Anyway, yesterday alone, I ended up hiding 30 posts bashing Hilary and 6 posts bashing Obama (and a few others for various reasons.) I think your characterization is biased and unfair. I'm disappointed in this coming from someone who's posts I've enjoyed over the years.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:45 AM
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76. I'm disappointed that the Clinton supporters won't answer legitimate argument w/ factual rebuttals.
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 11:46 AM by Stephanie
As soon as anyone disagrees with Clinton, the response here is BASHER! HILLARY HATER! It's tiresome and it doesn't speak well for her potential as leader of the free world. This is how I feel about her campaign > http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2668562&mesg_id=2668586

We don't all have to support the same candidate, you know. And I happen to believe that the DLC is the worst thing that's ever happened to our party. YMMV. We have primaries for a reason - so we can CHOOSE our candidate instead of having one shoved down our throats by the power elite.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:49 AM
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79. It works both ways
I'm not going to dig up a post where an Obama supporter takes exception to criticism hurled at their candidate, but I can't believe that you think this is one sided. :shrug: Your opinion is your opinion - I get that, letting it bias your viewpoint is disturbing.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:53 AM
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81. And that is YOUR opinion, not fact.
Your name suits you.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:55 AM
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82. Resorting to a personal insult?
Irony alert.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:56 AM
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83. I couldn't resist.
You chose it, after all.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:56 AM
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84. It's a joke making fun of Freepers
thanks :(
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:57 AM
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86. Yes, I've heard the joke.
About 1000 times.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:00 PM
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88. Guess you've earned the right to be nasty about it then
:P
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:18 PM
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95. Check out post #91 above.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:52 PM
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97. I wonder what the going rate is?
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:57 AM
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67. it bothers me too
There's so much to talk about without bashing each other's candidates.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:35 AM
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74. I find voting for IWR, Kyl-Lieberman and the Patriot Act disgusting.
I also find the platform of Profit trumps health care, Profit trumps domestic jobs, Power trumps peace disgusting.

I'm also disgusted that she has the chutzpa to say she's gonna save my kids from video game violence while her votes hand Bush a blank check to send my kids into real violence.


What does that have to do with "hating"? It's about her politics, not about her as a person or as a female. There are far too many legitimate reasons to not want her running this country without being called a hater.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:47 AM
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77. Profit trumps The Planet.
We are selling out the future of our children so the corporate cronies can maximize profits.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:49 AM
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78. The "hating" bothers me. Whether focused on Hillary or any other candidate.
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mrdemocrat78 Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:50 AM
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80. There is just as much Obama Bashing going on
and most of all this crap is being started by our little troll infestation
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:56 AM
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85. It's not HRC, or BHO that I hate. It is their corporatist ties.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:57 AM
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87. Just keep trying to remember this: ANY ONE OF OUR DEM CANDIDATES IS 100x BETTER THAN ANY FREAKIN'
REPUKE CANDIDATE. No matter what anyone says about Hillary, Barack, John, or Dennis, any one of them would be a hell of a lot better than what the repukes have running. Just ignore the garbage flung at your candidate and know they want your guy/gal to look bad so their candidate will win. It's politics...DIRTY politics, but politics nonetheless. It's the way the game is played....even here on DU.

IGNORE IT ALL. If you can't, try to refute what they fling at you or your candidate.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:30 PM
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89. It made me come to her defense even though I had not committed to
any candidate in the race.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:49 PM
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92. Does the "hating" of other candidates bother you?
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #92
98. I think it's pretty clear that it doesn't...
...considering how much of it the OP does himself.

He makes cracks like:
"Kucinich looks like he should be delivering a ring somewhere",
"Edwards and Obama supporters are so dense sometimes",
then he comes starts a thread whining about how mean people are to Hillary. :eyes:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:54 PM
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93. Hillary supporting on DU bothers me
In general, this is a gathering of progressives, people from the Democratic wing of the democratic party. Kucinich supporters and DLC haters. As such, we want the party's standard bearers to talk like progressives and walk like progressives. Hillary just does not do that, and we call her on it, sometimes in the strongest language possible. Sometimes even over the top.

But also, bashing Democratic leaders and the party in general has long been endemic to DU as I complained about here:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/51
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sentelle Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:57 PM
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94. Pointless
Its pointless to simply dislike a candidate.
Its fine to take issue with an issue, or the candidate's platform. It can also be useful to take a candidate to task based on what they say. But its is wrong to base it purely on personality.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:20 PM
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96. AGAIN --- ??? Actually, the more I find out about Hillary the less I like her ---
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:59 PM
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105. seems to me that most of the nasty attack posts are anti-hilary, pro-obama. nt
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:14 PM
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107. I'm watching it being flung by both sides
Obama and Clinton supporters alike.

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libertee Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:54 AM
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109. So there will be only 5 of us sitting around here, having coffee, the morning after
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 05:56 AM by libertee
she is nominated...we will be a very happy bunch..! And welcome the others on board 'cause sure as Lucifer they don't really want McCain as their next CIC!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 06:09 AM
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110. It's the length they go to that are unacceptable - the kind of sources they buy/post
Drudge, Paglia, Rove. And the paranoia - that everything they don't like is a set up (i.e - MSM hounding her on the facialexpressiongate was a set-up to help her/manipulate us)
Otherwise, some dislike in a primary is to be expected.
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