can we please stop using the word "war"?

[flordehinojos]

When it comes to Bush and the military activities he has commanded and pResided over, we are:
INVADING and we are OCCUPYING.

We are not waging war. We are waging INVASION and OCCUPATION.

If we have to be politically correct on every word we utter ... then please, let us be correct about what jr. is doing.

jr. is an invader and an occupier.

jr., through his brother jeb and the power of their father ghwb, invaded florida in the year 2000 to take away our florida votes from the people and to stop a recount which would have proven him a thief and a lier ... (o, if only the recount could have gone through ... the world could have been saved from the wmd lies, the world could have been saved from the immoral and illegal occupation of iraq which has cost so many innocent iraqi lives and so many young american lives, if only ...)

so ... jr. invaded florida and occupied the white house ... from there on his pattern has been a predictable of lie, invade, occupy.

he has invaded our privacy towards the goal of occupying our homes and dominating our lives.

he has invaded our system of laws towards the goal of breaking down our laws and occupying our nation.

bush is like the marabunta which invades, occupies, eats, swallows and desolates everything in its path.

i will not shill for bush. i will not use the word, "war", when referring to bush's lies.

i will call a spade a spade. i will use the word "invade", and i will use the word, "occupy."

i will never give bush a pass.

i will always throw thruth out to his face.

let us all please stop using the word, "war."

[Angela Shelley]

1. I agree!

[bunkerbuster1]

2. Agree, save for one use.

Those folks who are being occupied are living in a state of civil war, and it is appropriate to use that terminology appropriately.

[flordehinojos]

3. in which case it is their civil war . not ours. we are still the occupiers of their land.

[bunkerbuster1]

6. Right. It's not we who are living in a war zone.

It is they. So it's a bit of a stretch to say that we are "at war."

[I work for workers]

4. What sense does that make?

Invasion and occupation are part of war. Claiming otherwise is about as nonsensical as those people who insist on calling Vietnam and Korea police actions.

[madokie]

9. where would one start

in opening those eyes

[I work for workers]

12. Are we not in a war? A war people don't seem to care much about anymore?

Yes, let's downplay it further by calling it an occupation...

[Squatch]

13. They're just trying to move the goalposts.

It's a dumb semantic construct that is absurd on its face.

[I work for workers]

14. We could call it the Iraq Broccoli! No one likes broccoli!

:eyes:

[Squatch]

15. And those that are seeking to prolong it are Broccolimongers.

Dirty rotten broccolimongers.

[I work for workers]

16. This is just a war for oil... and vinegar! nt

[Squatch]

18. Rofl

:thumbsup:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

34. LOL To The Both Of Ya!

[madokie]

19. we are not in a war, we are warring against the Iraqi and they very much are at war

with us but we are occupiers and murderers of them same as we were in Vietnam in my day. Remember, Iraq was never a threat to America. It took me only a few days in country to see that we were occupiers in 'Nam same as now. If calling it war makes you feel better then by all means use the word.

[Squatch]

20. "We are not in a war, we are warring..."

:crazy:

[madokie]

24. we are occupiers committing war against the Iraqi people

Americans civilians aren't in a war but our soldiers are occupying a once sovereign nation

[Squatch]

28. The more you try, the more ridiculous your hair-splitting sounds

I'm outta here.

[madokie]

31. adios

[ixion]

21. see my sig line

It's not a 'war', it's a turkey shoot.

[PsN2Wind]

27. My sig line

is as appropriate now as it was in '68.

[ixion]

32. indeed it is

very sad...in 40 years we've learned nothing. :(

[madokie]

5. I agree

and we are complicit by allowing the cabal to continue when we know what is actually going on. It is not a defense of ours to take the easy way out on this 'cause our country lies in the balance. We have invaded and are occupying Iraq and killing the people like they were but flies on the wall, its wrong, wrong, wrong.

you notice I typed WE. We haven't done all we can until we have stopped these madmen
nothing directed to anyone here personally OK

[raccoon]

7. Great post.

Calling it "war" is like calling rape "making love." :puke:

[Squatch]

8. Yeah, and the soldiers aren't carrying guns and dropping bombs...

they're using "behavior modification inducers".

Jebus...OIF and OEF are wars anyway you look at it. In each case a large military force utilized lethal non-diplomatic means in which to initiate and sustain combat operations in a foreign country. That is the definition of WAR.

[tekisui]

10. 40,000 bombs dropped last week.

Anyway you slice it, the US is a destabilizing force that prevents a government from taking hold, kills and displaces many, radicalizes more and won't leave.

[Squatch]

11. ...But, but, but...it's not a war!

:eyes:

Give me a fucking break.

[scrinmaster]

25. 40,000 pounds of bombs, not 40,000 bombs.

That's only 20 or so 2,000 lb bombs.

[timtom]

23. Checked the Constitution lately?

From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Clause

Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the United States Constitution, sometimes referred to as the War Powers Clause, vests in the Congress the exclusive power to declare war, in the following wording:

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water...

[candymarl]

26. Now, now

Don't go quoting' the Constitution and using facts and stuff. Correct terminology is anti-American. Get with the program!;-)

[Squatch]

29. Checked the dictionary lately?

1. a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.
2. a state or period of armed hostility or active military operations: The two nations were at war with each other.
3. a contest carried on by force of arms, as in a series of battles or campaigns: the War of 1812.

Anyway you look at it, we are at war, even without a formal declaration of such by Congress.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

35. Now, Now,

Don't go quoting' the ACTUAL meaning of the word and using facts and stuff. Correct terminology is anti-melodramaticzealot. Get with the program! ;)

[timtom]

36. When you call it a war

you legitimize the rogue terrorism we have inflicted upon Afghanistan and Iraq (in this century, that is). You may want to score points in this little "debate" but you are now a de facto enabler of the neocons.

[Orsino]

17. It quacks like the duck.

People are dying just as they would in a real war, so I continue to use the term. However, I always try to attach it to the words "invasion" and "occupation," just to remind others of the illegal nature of the war's initiation.

War is supposed to mean something different in America. It's not supposed to be the imperial ambition of a tyrant, but the measured decision of Congress after much deliberation. When Americans let those dogs slip, it's supposed to be because elected representatives agree on it. That * got away with it is another offense nearly as bad, perhaps, as the hundreds of thousands of deaths he caused.

[timtom]

22. I'm with you and have been saying this since

the illegal invasion and occupation of Afghanistan.

"War-time president", indeed!

Feh!

[zorahopkins]

30. Illegal Invasion and Illegal Occupation

I always say "Illegal invasion and illegal occupation.

[flordehinojos]

33. point taken ...

thank you.