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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:20 AM
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A History Lesson: Rome’s Failed Occupation of Iraq and Iran, Civil War and the Fall of the Republic.
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Rome Tries and Fails to Occupy Iraq and Iran (The Parthian War)(53 BC)


Parthia

Parthia was an Iranian civilization situated in the northeast of modern Iran, but at its height covering all of Iran proper, as well as regions of the modern countries of Armenia, Iraq, Georgia, eastern Turkey, eastern Syria, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, Kuwait, the Persian Gulf coast of Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, and UAE.

Parthia was led by the Arsacid dynasty (Middle Persian: اشکانیان Ashkâniân), which reunited and ruled over the Iranian plateau, after defeating the Seleucids, beginning in the late 3rd century BC, and intermittently controlled Mesopotamia between about 150 BC and 224 AD. Parthia was the arch-enemy of the Roman Empire in the east.

Crassus - The Roman Dubya

In 53 BC, the Roman proconsul Marcus Licinius Crassus invaded Parthia in search of desperately needed gold to fund Roman military campaigns. Crassus was then one of the richest men in Rome, his father and grandfather having been consuls and censors before him.

He added to his father’s fortune by buying burning houses and the property of political enemies of the state. Rome’s fire brigades were private companies that were paid to torch properties coveted by speculators. The frequent civil wars of the era also spawned a new class of disenfranchised widows and orphans, who were forced to sell their remaining property for any price which might be offered. Crassus, the very personification of the “vulture capitalist” of his day, also traded in vast numbers of slaves and gladiators.


Crassus

The name Crassus will always be intertwined with that of Spartacus, who led the slave rebellion that Crassus put down with the sword, ordering the crucifiction of all those captured. 6,000 bodies were left to rot in a long line of crosses leading along the Appian Way to the Gates of Rome.

While a fortunate son, who had amassed wealth and overseen the suppression of revolt, Crassus had no real skills as a general. He also refused to listen to the advice of experienced military officers who served him, leading to a near mutiny of his troops, their annihilation, and his own gruesome death at the Battle of Carrhea, in what is now southern Turkey.

The Parthian armies he faced included two types of cavalry, heavily-armed and armoured cataphracts and lightly armed but highly-mobile mounted archers. For the Romans, who relied on heavy infantry, the Parthians were difficult to defeat, as both types of cavalry were much faster and more mobile than foot soldiers. Furthermore, the Parthians used strategies during warfare unfamiliar to the Romans, such as the famous "Parthian shot", firing arrows backwards at the gallop.

Crassus having never encountered such an army or strategic warfare before was defeated decisively at the Battle of Carrhae by a Parthian commander called Surena in the Greek and Latin sources. This was the beginning of a series of wars that were to last for almost three centuries. After the defeat Crassus was fed molten gold, a symbolic gesture for his greed. On the other hand, the Parthians found it difficult to conquer Roman eastern provinces completely.


Defeat of the "World's Lords" at Carrhea

While the Roman legions returned a few years later and stemmed the Parthians at the gates of Antioch (Syria), the folly of Crassus and the defeat at Carrhae of Roman’s renowned legions remains an enduring lesson that resonates to this day: Gibbon’s The History of the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire tells us: http://www.persianempire.info/parthia10.htm

Such was the result of this great expedition, the first attempt of the grasping and ambitious Romans, not so much to conquer Parthia, as to strike terror into the heart of her people, and to degrade them to the condition of obsequious dependants on the will and pleasure of the "world's lords." The expedition failed so utterly, not from any want of bravery on the part of the soldiers employed in it, nor from any absolute superiority of the Parthian over the Roman tactics, but partly from the incompetence of the commander, partly from the inexperience of the Romans, up to this date, in the nature of the Parthian warfare and in the best manner of meeting it.

SNIP

But an ignorant and inexperienced commander, venturing on a trial of arms with an enemy of whom he knew little or nothing, in their own country, without support or allies, and then neglecting every precaution suggested by his officers, allowing himself to be deceived by a pretended friend, and marching straight into a net prepared for him, naturally suffered defeat. The credit of the Roman arms does not greatly suffer by the disaster, nor is that of the Parthians greatly enhanced. The latter showed, as they had shown in their wars against the Syro-Macedonians, that there somewhat loose and irregular array was capable of acting with effect against the solid masses and well-ordered movements of disciplined troops.

They acquired by their use of the bow a fame like that which the English archers obtained for the employment of the same weapon at Crecy and Agincourt. They forced the arrogant Romans to respect them, and to allow that there was at least one nation in the world which could meet them on equal terms and not be worsted in the encounter. They henceforth obtained recognition from Graeco-Roman writers—albeit a grudging and covert recognition—as the second Power in the world, the admitted rival of Rome, the only real counterpoise upon the earth to the power which ruled from the Euphrates to the Atlantic Ocean.


One unprecedented outcome of the failed invasion of Parthia was a split of the Roman military. One-quarter of the survivors of the 40,000 man force originally commanded by Crassus went over after the battle to the Parthians, and they were eventually resettled within Persia.

Caesarian Dictatorship, and The Roman Civil Wars

In the years following the battle of Carrhae, the Romans were divided in civil war between the adherents of Pompey and those of Julius Caesar and hence unable to campaign against Parthia. Although Caesar was eventually victorious against Pompey and was planning a campaign against Parthia, his subsequent murder led to another Roman civil war.

The Roman general Quintus Labienus, who had supported Caesar's murderers and feared reprisals from his heirs, Mark Antony and Octavian (later Augustus), sided with the Parthians under Pacorus I. In 41 BC Parthia, led by Labienus, invaded Syria, Cilicia, and Caria and attacked Phrygia in Asia Minor. A second army intervened in Judaea and captured its king Hyrcanus II. The spoils were immense, and put to good use: King Phraates IV invested them in building up Ctesiphon.

In 39 BC, Antony retaliated, sending out general Publius Ventidius Bassus and several legions to secure the conquered territories. The Parthian King Pacorus was killed along with Labienus, and the Euphrates again became the border between the two nations. Hoping to further avenge the death of Crassus, Antony invaded Mesopotamia in 36 BC with the Legion VI Ferrata and other units. Having cavalry in support, Antony reached Armenia but failed to make much impact and withdrew with heavy losses.

Antony's campaign was followed by a break in the fighting between the two empires as Rome was again embroiled in civil war. When Octavian defeated Mark Antony, he ignored the Parthians, being more interested in the west. His son-in-law and future successor Tiberius negotiated a peace treaty with Phraates (20 BC).


Roman civil wars Conflicts that afflicted the last century of the Roman republic (88 BC–c.28 BC) and led to the inevitable institution of the unchallenged authority of one man, the Principate. Political life in Rome was unsettled from the period of SULLA's dictatorship and the Catiline conspiracy (64–63 BC).

Rivalry between the republican military leader Julius Caesar and POMPEY began after the collapse of their alliance. Caesar defeated the Pompeian army in Spain at Ilerda (49 BC) and Pompey himself at Pharsalus (48 BC); he won further victories in Asia and Africa. Cato's suicide in 46 BC signified the collapse of the republican cause. On his return to Rome, Caesar was made dictator and virtually sole ruler. His plans for funding the empire by military expeditions against Dacia and Parthia were cut short by outraged republican traditionalists who murdered him in 44 BC. Further civil wars followed.

Caesar Assassinated at the Senate (44 BC)


Initially Octavian (AUGUSTUS), supported by the republican party, struggled against MARK ANTONY. In 43 BC Antony, Octavian, and Lepidus formed a coalition whose forces defeated the republicans led by Brutus and Cassius at PHILIPPI. Antony meanwhile joined forces with Cleopatra and was defeated by Octavian at ACTIUM. The Roman world was united under the sole leadership of Octavian, who annexed Egypt.

In 68 AD civil war broke out in the empire in the struggle for succession after NERO's death. Galba was proclaimed emperor from Spain; he entered Rome in September but was murdered and succeeded by Otho; meanwhile Vitellius was proclaimed emperor in Germany and Otho committed suicide. VESPASIAN then invaded Italy and took the throne, making 68–69 “the year of the four emperors”. This crisis period was followed by the settled rule of Vespasian.



Rome Burns (64 AD)


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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:25 AM
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1. Americans Need Not Be Doomed to Repeat Unlearned History...K&R n/t
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:39 AM
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2. I'm afraid, if we don't learn, soon, we're well along the way to repeating it.
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 09:40 AM by leveymg
The parallels are remarkable, aren't they? Almost as if someone who's read history is leading Americans by the nose into military disaster in order to loot the Treasury and to reduce the U.S. into a compliant backwater state, much as we did to England and the European powers following the World Wars of the 20th Century.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:04 AM
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4. History Is a Pretty Helpful Roadmap...
... for those who bother to read it.

I wonder if OBL's "cave library" of already-read history books is bigger than W's?

: /

- Dave
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:16 AM
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6. If not UBL, I'm sure Princes Adham and al-Turki are not unfamiliar with the story
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 10:18 AM by leveymg
of Cassus and how he lost the campaign, stopping Roman expansion into the Parthian empire, of which Saudi Arabia was once part.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:29 AM
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7. Oil Profits *Do* Tend to Lend Themselves to a Fine Education n/t
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 10:29 AM by CorpGovActivist
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:37 AM
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9. The best our gas money can buy.
Americans generally do not elect The Best and the Brightest to top office. The corporate media really does serve as a means of dis-educating and anesthetizing the general public. Worse than bread and circuses. Those are expensive flaws in our political system, which appears to be quickly turning us into someone else's vassal state.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:08 PM
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22. Well, Now You've Gone and Done It...
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:54 AM
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3. You're ignoring quite a bit there.
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 09:58 AM by seawolf
First, the fact that Crassus was the guy balancing the scales between Caesar and Pompey. Once he was dead, civil war was inevitable. His wealth meant that he was the only man in Rome who could cover the costs of raising an army without leeching off state funds or his political allies. It also meant he could pass massive bribes in political dealings. But if he'd dropped dead of a heart attack at home in bed, the war would still have happened, because his presence was the check on Caesar and Pompey -- all their plans had to take Crassus into account. Crassus may have made the same mistake as the Chimp, but the situation here and now is different.

Second, a huge contributing factor of the civil war between Caesar and Pompey (and the one between Marius and Sulla before that) was the fact that the legions had stopped being tools of the state and become the private armies of ambitious generals. The state might pay for their equipment and training, but they were loyal to their commander, not the state. We don't have that, not yet, and hopefully not ever.

Honestly, people love to go on and on about this "we're the new Rome, we're doomed to civil war and becoming an autocratic state" bit, but they don't bother understanding the full situation. (Which, admittedly, requires a couple months' worth of solid reading and a very good teacher or two.)

By the way, I'd be interested to know where you got the "molten gold" bit. I've always heard Crassus was killed on the field.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:05 AM
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5. Crassus was the third man of the "Triumverate" that had taken power after 88BC, when the civil wars
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 10:48 AM by leveymg
began. The First Triumverate was actually a secret alliance between Pompey and Crassus. I would read Crassus as a force in his own right, much as G.H.W. Bush (and his family) has been within the Republican Party. He is too often overlooked in the histories in favor of the more public conflict between the more charismatic Caesar and Pompey. I don't dispute that the parties of Julii and Pompey would have eventually clashed, but Crassus' pursuit of wealth by the most predatory of means had a huge impact in making Rome an ever more corrupt and unjust place that became unable to support its excesses except by the self-destructive means of imperial overreach.

I agree that the Roman military had already fragmented before that time. But, what's significant about the Pithian war is that, AFAIK, it marked both a decisive defeat of Roman legions, and the first time that substantial numbers of Roman officers and men actually went over to serve an opposing empire. That is politically significant.

The molten gold part is not undisputed but is retold in several accounts, including Wiki's entry for Crassus.

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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:33 AM
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8. Black Gold
Texas Tea
:beer:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:40 AM
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10. Are you talking about Guinness?
Or, just enjoying one? :toast:
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:49 AM
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11. I used to love Guiness, before I finally got tired of drinking.
I was trying to be a wise-cracker and make a modern alternative of the feeding to Crassus of molten gold.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:01 AM
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13. They say that Bush was elected in 2000 because he seemed a better drinking partner
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 11:02 AM by leveymg
Wonder when someone actually is going to take that man out for a drink. :spray: :+ :yoiks:
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:03 AM
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14. A prospect to keep us smiling!
:toast:
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:55 AM
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12. And thanks for the interesting history lesson. Love that stuff.
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 10:57 AM by balantz
Interesting to see the energy play out again in much the same way today as it did in the early days of western empire.

The "parthian shot" is a favorite tactic of such tribes as the Alani with their hunnic bow and feigned retreat, and of course their life-long horsemanship.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:04 AM
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15. Puts a lot of distance, very quickly, between the archer and the target that's already been struck.
Amazing the Romans had never seen it before.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:10 AM
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16. I think the Romans may have been seeing these tactics pop up around this time
on the eastern edge of the empire. Tribes like the Alans and the Huns that used them were rapidly pushing in from the East. Eventually the Romans hired branches of tribes like the Alans because of their skills.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:28 AM
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17. Thank you for these history lessons
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:29 AM
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19. I want to know more about Crassius being made to drink molten gold
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:35 AM
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20. Apocryphal,

but a fine morality story. Works for me.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:29 AM
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18. That's just part of it.

The bigger question is, "why does the ruling class emulate Rome?".It seems they've had a hard-on for Rome since the beginning, note our symbols, national architecture. For that matter slavery, a stacked voting system, a "class system that is not a class system", nothing new under the sun.

I think it is how they imagine themselves, modern day patricians. Which leaves room for a small class of professionals (equestrians) and a mass of slaves and plebs. Those equestrians better watch their backs this time, their services are being filled by slaves at every opportunity.

Hardly surprising that they should display the same hubris, the arrogance of ignorance and power, the hallmark of any established ruling class.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:43 AM
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21. Only Impeachment Can Reverse Things
No matter who's in the WH in '09, we're still a War Criminal Nation unless and until we come to terms with the bushcheney disgraces.

Impeachment is the ONLY way to reunite our once-great nation.

--
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:09 PM
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23. K&R cuz I love historical parallels! /nt
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:22 PM
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24. The parallels with "W" go only so far. Although Crassus was born into a wealthy family, like the
Chimp, he vastly increased his inheritance through unethical but very shrewd means. He was a brilliant businessman, unlike the hapless Bush scion who couldn't find oil in TEXAS, for Pete's sake...

One of the reasons for Crassus' recklessness against the Parthians was his desperate desire for military glory. Victory against Spartacus and his army did not earn Crassus a triumph because it was a punishment for servile rebellion, not a campaign for Roman military supremacy.

On a side note, the presumed portrait bust of Crassus in the OP may not be him. No authenticated likeness of Crassus exists, although a number of busts and statues fall into the "maybe" category. Historical novelist Colleen McCullough speculates that the real Crassus may have been large, heavyset and placid looking, which would explain references to him in contemporary sources as "ox-like". To illustrate this, she chose an actual anonymous portrait bust of the Roman Republican era that matches that description to represent her character of Crassus, and included a drawing of it in her novel "Fortune's Favorite"; which among other historical occurrences, deals with the Spartacine Revolt and Crassus' campaign to put it down.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:15 PM
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25. Whenever I see the name "Crassus",
all I can think of is Tony Curtis and Lawrence Oliver. :hi:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:22 PM
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26. I agree, to a point. Crassus was far more competent than Dubya
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 05:26 PM by leveymg
Nero may be a better match for lack of intelligence.

But, Dubya and Crassus share many bad traits. Most of which, over-inflated ego, arrogance and disdain for all those around them.

Beyond the individual, the overacrching historical parallels are, IMHO, uncanny.

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