Republican Democrats. I think it is time to consider that there are

[peacetalksforall]

three parties in this country and a few independents.

1. Republican Democrats (or call them Republican-Lites and Republican Heavies).
2. Democrats.
3. Republicans.

When you think about it, it is smart and expedient of Republican Corporations to guarantee continuity by swaying Democrats to work with them/for them.

When you think about all the votes that have shocked or angered you and when you rant about proof that Dems have taken their money and have gone to lunch with them and their lobbyists, why not just re-categorize the parties to point to the reality of it?

Why not examine and declare which ones we are?

Is it fair for Republican Democrats to feed off the money Democrats think they are giving to Democrats?

Might we say that the DNC is Democrat and DLC is Republican Democrat.

Republican Democrat are Democrats in name, but not in votes or positions or influence exerted, given, and repaid.

Why don't we just formalize it?

Why don't the candidates say who they are?

Though we arleady know them from their votes, who they take money from, who they defend, whose bills they support or not - it would end this constant barrage of proclamations of how great they are. We can see them more clearly by their declared affiliation. It will be much easier on the people who don't have or don't take the time to study it all and are confused as hxxx.

Wouldn't it explain a lot - like why they have never done anything about corporations owned hardware, software, service, access to our votes.

Why they promote more war knowing that their will be more torture, rendition, undefended prisoners - AND KILLING OF CHILDREN - OF INNOCENTS?

Nah, they can't admit it, but we can categorize them ourselves and refer to them accordingly = IF WE JUST ADMIT IT!

Are we going to continue to pretend while the corporations are strangling us slowly?

This is the country of the divided, why not acknowledge it?

Or should we continue to pretend?

[L0oniX]

1. Let's call them LiebermEn.

Anyone who takes money from corporate war machines and HMO death money mills are our enemies.

[Fresh_Start]

2. I think there are democrats, republicans and corporatists

They are not a mixture of Republican or Democrat thought they pretend to be one or the other.
They believe that money should talk and that what money wants,money should get.
Think of Bush speaking of his supporters - there are 'haves' and 'have mores'.
The third party is the party of the 'have mores'.

[peacetalksforall]

6. When I say Repub Dems, I really mean Corporatists - so why not

just call them Corporatists - indeed. You are right.

Certain Corporatists.

They may need to have a double name or a defining adjective. There are some good corporations (good to employees, they are not thieves, not involved in the profits of war).

Certain corporations are the key to what I was getting at when I wrote.

If I make a list of all the things I am most bothered about - they all involve corporations - from killing children and innocents, to skimping and cheating and keeping benefits from our soldiers, torture, the takeover of the media, our loss of privacy - theft through privatization - theft of votes EVERYTHING IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF BARONS/CORPORATISTS. For coprporatists by corporatist elected officials.

Why should I say I'm a Democrat if Democrats support what is driving me hopeless? I believe we need to come out from living under our delusions.

And the first thing needed is to admit it - we need candidates who can admit to our problems. They can't. They are only leaders - in delusion.

This is not Dem bashing - this is Party bashing - for living lies.

The candidates won't look at the torture and undefended prisoners. The condidates won't look at vote theft. The candidates won't look at the loss of privacy. The candidates contribute to the switching around of money and the debt to pay for a hate and earth resource war of corporations.

[fenriswolf]

3. what are the criteria of the repubs lites?

I have a couple of suggestions

*not a religious conservative

*still believe in roe V wade

*wants as little to do with the gov as possible (taxes, titles, etc)

*if however they have an issue (personal, public, financial) they want the gov to help

* is not racist or sexist (or at least claims not to be)

* definatly up their with the heavy repubs reg any socialized form of health care or any type of welfare aid (let them fend for themselves)

oh and might i suggest that since we are redifining party lines that

DENNIS KUCINICH IS THE ONLY DEMOCRATE CURRENTLY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT

[dmallind]

4. Three parties in this country

1. Republicans
2. Democrats
3. Green Democrats (or call the Nader-lites or Nader heavies).

Green Democrats are Democrats in name only, but not in votes or positions or influence exerted....yada yada yada.

Can't we just call the DU Dem-bashers Green Democrats and just be done with it? Can't they just admit who they are?

The difference being - there's a lot more in the Democratic party platform that is where the DLC. and Blue Dogs and centrists and moderates are than the Du wannabe radicals, so who's bullshitiing most when they claim to be the only "real" Democrats?

I know - how about we actually win an election by voting the same way for once instead of trying to piss off the voters who can make a difference in the name of party "purity"?

[KG]

5. Republican Democrats, are those the registered democrats that voted for bush in Fl in

2000? y'know the ones that really handed bush the WH?

[peacetalksforall]

8. Nah, they were just tricksters and accomplices in theft.

[stimbox]

7. How about the Plutocrats and the Oligarchs? n/t

[EstimatedProphet]

9. How about we keep calling them what we have been?

How about we accept the fact that different people see the world in different ways, and the idea of Absolute Right doesn't exist in politics? How about the fact that people who see things differently than you do so for a reason - not just because they are Wrong - and will require arguments to sway their opinions, rather than simply dismissing them as shills or evil or subhuman?

[peacetalksforall]

11. My point is we need to admit the allegiance to corporations - if x

amount of killing children and innocents, is x amount of torture, if x amount of vote theft, if x amount of loss of privacy, if x amount of barbarian invasion/nation building is OK within the Dem party, then we shouldn't pussyfoot around - we should say that we will tolerate x amount of crimes because there are all kinds of us?

The crime is being pulled over our heads - that is the point and we don't have leaders who will own up to it. They go along - with the criminals.

So we should acknowledge that there are some in the Party who don't want x amount of crime and some that do?

Going along can bring us all down.

[bryant69]

10. ANd of course then we could get rid of those filthy Republican Democrats who post here

This is fucking brilliant. Let's purge the party of those, like me, who fail to be sufficiently liberal. Yeah kick us the hell out. I mean let's face it, this is Democratic Underground, not Republican Democratic Underground.

But wait, this might be difficult. You more liberal than thou fucks don't actually run the party do you? How are you going to convince people like Terry McAullif or Howard Dean that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama don't belong in the Democratic Party?

Oh and HOORAY FOR KILLING CHILDREN!

Bryant
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